Schoolkids told to consider oral sex

reuters ^ | 21/02/02 | Matthew Jones

[Jakarta ex-pat]

School children are to be controversially asked to consider oral sex instead of intercourse as part of a drive to cut the country's high teenage pregnancy rate.

Sex education teachers are being trained to discuss with youngsters various "stopping points" on the road to full sex in a bid to reduce the number of gymslip mums, the government said on Friday.

The idea is to encourage pupils to discover "levels of intimacy", including oral sex, which stop short of full sexual intercourse.

But the plan has been criticised as unworkable by family groups.

"The courses for teachers are to enable them to discuss various sex and relationship issues with pupils. One of those issues is oral sex," said a Department of Health spokeswoman.

"Oral sex is one of the 'stopping points' on the road to intercourse," she said, denying the advice was encouraging sexual activity.

"Another 'stopping point' is to hold hands," she added.

Family groups argue that oral sex is likely to lead to penetrative sex.

"One thing leads to another," said Robert Whelan, director of the Family Education Trust. "It is hard enough for adults to hold back and is even more difficult for teenagers with their raging hormones."

One teacher, who recently attended one of the courses, told the Times newspaper the advice could be construed as a green light to teens.

"By following this course, I feel that teachers are implicitly supporting underage sexual activity," said Lynda Brine.

Whelan also said oral sex was no protection against most sexually transmitted diseases.

"Delaying the onset of teenage sexual activity is the only way to cut teenage pregnancy," he told Reuters.

With nearly 39,000 girls under 18 conceiving each year, Britain has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Western Europe. The government wants to halve it by 2010.

In line with that aim, students have already been offered condoms, oral contraceptives and easier access to counsellors in schools.

The Department of Education said on Friday sex education was determined by individual schools.

"We give guidelines but we don't dictate what material is used," a spokeswoman said. "We trust head teachers and teachers to make sensible decisions about sex education."

[inquest]

As a matter of clarification, it looks as though this story refers to developments in Britain (though it could be a sign of what's to come here).

[tonycavanagh]

I hear one way to stop that sort of thing is to get married.

Cheers Tony

[Lunatic Fringe]

Anyone who suggests to CHILDREN that any type of sexual activity is ok should have their own kids taken away.... Honestly... Has anyone here ever dated someone, had oral sex, and said "Ok, that's good enough, we can stop there."

[SerpentDove]

The Clinton Legacy continues...

[Starwind]

"Oral sex is one of the 'stopping points' on the road to intercourse," she said, denying the advice was encouraging sexual activity.

"Another 'stopping point' is to hold hands," she added.

Obviously, with multiple progressive "stopping" points, they're really just milestones at which to pause, best-case, on the road to intercourse.

[Jakarta ex-pat]

Hey!

Keep smiling,

Philip.

[Sirloin]

"Delaying the onset of teenage sexual activity is the only way to cut teenage pregnancy,"

What a fool. Might as well have said "I am completely in denial about the intense sexual drive that occurs during the teenage years. They should just ignore it."

[BrookdalePark]

If the people promoting this idea are serious, they're virgins.

Oral sex is a "stopping point" for about 10 minutes. Then you're ready for more, and you want ... more.

It's as effective as telling a 2-year-old not to eat an Oreo you've put on the table in front of him.

[drunknsage]

Honestly... Has anyone here ever dated someone, had oral sex, and said "Ok, that's good enough, we can stop there."


Yes actually. Many times =) And if it's done well and to its fullest extent (i dont want to get too graphic here) there was never a need to go any further. Now keep in mind that I do not support the idea of teaching children oral sex is ok. Personally I think we need to teach our children the value of intimacy and how it should be cherished and reserved for either marriage or someone whom you "truely" love and care for. Too often our kids are flooded with messaged of instant gratification and are taut its ok to be sexually permiscuous (spelling) and are never taut the physical and emotional dangers associated within. Kids need to have respect for themselves and their bodies.


Drunknsage

[punster]

Gee! If they were really trying to sell that, they should tell the kids they would have a guaranteed job with der Schlickmeister, William Judas Clinton.

[ClearCase_guy]

I do hope they also tell the children to seek out cocaine dealers as their drug resource of choice. This would be a good thing to teach children, because Cocaine is a "stopping point" which can prevent drug abusers from proceeding on to the far more dangerous drug, heroin.

[linn37]

hey how about just going home horny??? worked for me

[realpatriot71]

Family groups argue that oral sex is likely to lead to penetrative sex.

They're right. Like communism - looks good on paper - but doesn't work in reality.

[realpatriot71]

Many times =) And if it's done well and to its fullest extent (i dont want to get too graphic here) there was never a need to go any further.

I agree that adults can make this distinction, but teenagers? While, I think there may be some unusually mature teenagers out there, most are not going to be able to stop - I wasn't able to stop at that age.

[HIDEK6]

I hear one way to stop that sort of thing is to get married.

Why do brides look so radiant?

They realize they've given their last "(oral sex euphemism)".

[upchuck]

HOMESCHOOLING!!

[j_tull]

a bid to reduce the number of gymslip mums

Huh?

[showme_the_Glory]

It's as effective as telling a 2-year-old not to eat an Oreo you've put on the table in front of him.

It's like telling a 2-year-old to eat the cream but dont touch the cookie

[TontoKowalski]

"Delaying the onset of teenage sexual activity is the only way to cut teenage pregnancy," he told Reuters.

Well, it's been more than a few years since I had that "little talk" with my Dad. Somehow, I feel Dad's sensible approach of discussing sex with his son, in an upfront and sometimes graphic manner, has gone out of style.

"Son, I don't want you to ever push a girl into something she doesn't want to do, nor do I want you to push yourself into something you're not ready for. I think that teen sex is a mistake, but it's not a mistake I want you to die over, or ruin your life over. This is a box of condoms. (Followed by detailed instructions on how to use them). If the box gets empty, come to me and I'll get some more for you. You can tell me anything; this is a hard time for any young man, and I promise I want to help, without getting judgemental. Don't tell your Mother we had this talk."

[connectthedots]

Regardimg your post; your tag line raises some interesting thoughts. ;) LOL

[MEGoody]

Better to teach abstinence until marriage as the superior option in all cases.

[realpatriot71]

Don't tell your Mother we had this talk.

That's about how it went with me too :-)

[AppyPappy]

Might as well have said "I am completely in denial about the intense sexual drive that occurs during the teenage years. They should just ignore it."

You make teens sound like immoral animals.

[RichInOC]

Schoolkids told to consider oral sex

Schoolkids reply 'Eat my shorts!'

[The_Reader_David]

Until our society (and British society) regains a firm grasp of the notion of virtue in the full meaning of the word, and stops replacing it with the Nietzschian/social-scientific weasle-word "values", I don't think we'll ever have sensible sex-education.

The left and libertines are all for teaching the virtue of prudence in regards to sex (as regards unwed pregancy, though not STD's, oral-sex-only is a prudent means of achieving intimacy and sexual fulfillment/release), while sneering at chastity. The right tends to want to teach the virtue of chastity, and sneers at prudence. What is needed is to teach all the virtues, including a good exposition of why and how the virtue of chastity has served both individuals and societies well down through the years: including avoidance of the psychological and health consequences of early and promiscuous sex, and the degree to which condoms, sex-short-of-intercourse, and other prudent measures only ameliorate but do not remove the risks and emotional consequences.

It would also be nice to include a good exposition of how all religious and philosophical traditions represented in our society have dealt with the sexuality, but doing in America this would require some delicacy in the face of the "wall-of-separation" fanatics. I suppose in Britain, the Anglican view could be taught, though as a former Anglican heretic, I'm not sure how useful that would be these days.

[laredo44]

Honestly... Has anyone here ever dated someone, had oral sex, and said "Ok, that's good enough, we can stop there."

Sure. I would guess many have.

[Mad Dawgg]

Ahhh Maybe as an Adult, but when I was 15, 10 minutes after the blessed event I was on the hunt again! ;-D

[TontoKowalski]

LOL! Dads seem to understand things about teenage boys that Moms don't. Must be that experience of being one.

Seriously, though, I remember many lessons from his heart-to-heart with me. First, losing one's virginity is not a race. It didn't matter what stories were told about which girls in the locker room. Being armed with information (and by that, I mean graphic physical descriptions of anatomy and process) helped me understand that 90% of those stories were BS anyway. And the other 10% did not involve a gentleman, or they wouldn't be told.

Second, it taught me that my father trusted me, not to be perfect, but to be aware, discriminating, and prepared.

Thirdly, when "the day" finally arrived, I was more emotionally settled and, while there was a certain delicious guilt surrounding the event, I wasn't terrified of subsequent health or pregnancy issues.

I think the talk was the beginning of that transition that all men hope to have...when your Dad becomes your friend. I treasure my relationship with Dad, and strive to duplicate that relationship with my own son.

[biblewonk]

Yes actually. Many times =) And if it's done well and to its fullest extent (i dont want to get too graphic here) there was never a need to go any further.

Is that drunknsage or drunkgirl from Saturday Night Live?

[twigs]

My husband noticed that a lot of couples from my daughter's Christian school marry young. We don't wonder why!

[Billthedrill]

I hear one way to stop that sort of thing is to get married.

ROTFLMAO!

[realpatriot71]

I agree. I think for dads, when they know they are going to have a son, there are two very important "father moments" during their son's childhood, first important event is making sure their son has all their fingers, toes, and of course normal "winkie" at birth. The next very important event is when your son takes an interest in GIRLS (whew, thank God, the kid likes girls). The entire life of a son is important, but I think those two events are key to making a father feel like their son is going to be normal :-)

[TontoKowalski]

Bump on a boring day.

This thread is better than most. Something for oral sex afficionados, homeschoolers, weepy Dad-Lovers, Bible thumpers, those who like to remember their glory days...

About 95% of the Freeper population falls into at least one of those categories.

[stands2reason]

I remember the joy my brother experienced when he caught his oldest son "perusing" one of his girly magazines in the bathroom.

[realpatriot71]

Yeah, when my mom found my stack of Playoys, she was pi$$ed. While she's chewing me out, dad is smirking in the background.

[TontoKowalski]

Bump for folks on other thread.

[GSWarrior]

When I was in school I was told to consider the alto sax.

[Sirloin]

You make teens sound like immoral animals.

Not immoral, just horny to the point of being irrational. The point I was originally trying to make is that this person doesn't really give any workable solutions other than the knee-jerk "don't do it!" stuff. He could at least advocate masturbation (which is definitely preferable to oral sex), but then again we had a Surgeon General lose her job championing that!

[Hemingway's Ghost]

In my opinion, oral sex is more intimate than the traditional bumping of uglies.

[AppyPappy]

Teens commit suicide too. Should we throw in the towel and offer safe ways to do it?

[CollegeRepublican]

Ha Ha He He

[TontoKowalski]

I agree with you. Much, much more intimate than casual boinking.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

About 95% of the Freeper population falls into at least one of those categories.

Oh, if only it involved pot somehow....

[SwordofTruth]

"Oral sex is one of the 'stopping points' on the road to intercourse," she said, denying the advice was encouraging sexual activity.

LOL! If oral sex isn't sex than why does it have "sex" in the title?

What morons!

[TontoKowalski]

Well, now, people can fall into more than one category...Oral sex fans and pot smokers aren't necessarily mutually exclusive demographics...likewise potsmoking homeschooolers, WOD Bible-thumpers, etc.

[SwordofTruth]

Honestly... Has anyone here ever dated someone, had oral sex, and said "Ok, that's good enough, we can stop there."

Yes.

[Dianna]

But there are NO real "workable" solutions. The only way I can think of to really reduce the number of teens having sex is to change the culture so that teens are not alone together.