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Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage
Christians Unite dot com ^ | February 7, 2003 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 02/21/2003 1:42:37 PM PST by vannrox

Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage


by Staff
February 7, 2003

The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory has recently shocked the world by claiming their ancient Oral legends tell of a Cherokee migration made to America from the area known as Masada.

This startling evidence is being offered to the public by Beverly Baker Northup whom is the spokesperson for their organization. The evidence offered in support of this connection to Cherokees escaping the mountain fortress of Masada is based in part of what Northup claims is stories passed down from elders and the similarity between ancient words.

Beverly Baker Northup believes there is a connection between these two peoples based on evidence of Jews of the region around Masada during Roman times wearing braided hair and the similarities that the spokesperson attributes to Hebrew language.

In explaining this connection Beverly Baker Northup is quoted as saying:

"The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees. (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa'ra-gi'.)"

Northup claims that the famous scholar Josephus wrote that there were escapees from Masada in which the spokesperson for the Northern Cherokee states that this is evidence that gives credence to this connection between the Cherokee Indians and the Jews.

In addition to other startling claims, there is also the belief by the Northern Cherokee that a rock that was uncovered in Tennessee in 1889 that is named the Bat Creek Stone, proves a transatlantic connection to Jews.

Northup believes that the scratched writings on the rock indicate that the stone is evidence of a first century Atlantic Crossing to America by these escaped Jews that later became known as the Northern Cherokee Indians.

The Northern Cherokee attempted to gain full legislative recognition in the State of Missouri in 1985 that was eventually vetoed by Governor John Ashcroft. Governor Ashcroft made the following statement concerning his decision to veto the recognition of the Northern Cherokee:

"The Federal Government has traditionally exercised authority with respect to Indian Affairs. I am not persuaded that the state has such a substantial interest in this area that it should become involved in the recognition of Indian tribes."

Sources among some federally recognized Indian Tribes have stated that Mr. Ashcroft's comments were 100% correct and should be referred to from time to time.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: bible; cherokee; decalogue; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; heritage; history; indian; jew; jewish; loslunas; losttribes; oy; past; tencommandments; tribe
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1 posted on 02/21/2003 1:42:37 PM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

Look for one of them to be running for public office on the Democratic ticket soon.

2 posted on 02/21/2003 1:46:42 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Gives a whole new meaning to the expression "Member of the Tribe" I guess.
3 posted on 02/21/2003 1:49:19 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Are Kerry, Albright and Hillary! Cherokee?)
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To: vannrox
Didn't Joseph Smith indicate this in his relevations/translations? LDS freepers? Funny how an uneduated farm kid, who is accused of starting a 'cult' has been (or is being) validated by modern science.
4 posted on 02/21/2003 1:50:40 PM PST by Hodar (American's first. .... help the others, after we have helped our own.)
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To: vannrox
Imagine if it were verified by DNA analysis, though.

There are so many tantalizing accounts and half-records of early ocean crossings, like the Los Lunas Stone with its Decalogue inscription in Canaanite Hebrew.

Can ALL these be elaborate hoaxes by bored or prankish people? Maybe, Maybe Not.

Disney would have to remake "Pocahontas", though. Many of the Powhatan descendents are Amonsoquath Cherokee.

5 posted on 02/21/2003 1:54:32 PM PST by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: Hodar
Yeah...., but what's with the funny underwear?
7 posted on 02/21/2003 1:55:34 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: Hodar
Didn't Joseph Smith indicate this in his relevations/translations? LDS freepers? Funny how an uneduated farm kid, who is accused of starting a 'cult' has been (or is being) validated by modern science.

Hmm.

The Mormons claim that there was an ancient and extensive culture, brought from Israel by immigrants, in ancient North America.

Just one question:

Where's that civilization's garbage?

8 posted on 02/21/2003 1:57:13 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: babylonian
Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

How?

9 posted on 02/21/2003 1:58:01 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: vannrox
So, I guess we can get rid of all of the tribal lands then. They already have Israel as a homeland.
10 posted on 02/21/2003 1:58:39 PM PST by July 4th
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To: Illbay
You're LDS, right? Know any LDS FReepers who'd be interested in this?

A "questions are being asked" ping.

11 posted on 02/21/2003 1:59:30 PM PST by Democratic_Machiavelli (The most important part of a post is the sauce...I mean, source.)
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To: vannrox
Reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles with Mel Brooks playing an Indian chief speaking Yiddish. I laughted so hard I almost had a seizure.
12 posted on 02/21/2003 1:59:57 PM PST by jalisco555
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To: vannrox
The title should have included, "Funny you don't look Souixish" alert.
13 posted on 02/21/2003 2:01:13 PM PST by duckman (all ducked up with no place to go..)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
How? Magic wand.
14 posted on 02/21/2003 2:02:51 PM PST by babylonian
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To: vannrox
Oh my !

How wonderful !!

A new VICTIMS' GROUP !!!
15 posted on 02/21/2003 2:03:52 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: vannrox
The Mormans have believed the Indians to be the lost tribe of Israel for a long time.
16 posted on 02/21/2003 2:05:35 PM PST by Texas Mom
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To: Hodar
If you do some research you will find that all American indian names are rooted in the Paleo-Hebrew language. The language of all people before the Tower of Babel.
18 posted on 02/21/2003 2:13:18 PM PST by kcamtx
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To: genefromjersey
They would be double victims, right? Indian and Jewish.
19 posted on 02/21/2003 2:13:24 PM PST by Bosco
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To: vannrox
Hey, it's about time some of the missing tribes turned up.
20 posted on 02/21/2003 2:16:55 PM PST by mrustow
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Sequoyah
21 posted on 02/21/2003 2:20:21 PM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the gay whales for jesus)
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
The mormon Indian-Jew connection is based upon the lost tribes theory not just a handful of Masada escapees. Masada occurred in 66 AD the Assyrian exile occured in the 8th century B.C.
22 posted on 02/21/2003 2:29:39 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: vannrox
Hmmmm. So is it Indian Cheef or Indian Chife now?
23 posted on 02/21/2003 2:32:30 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: Poohbah
Lost at sea..
24 posted on 02/21/2003 2:45:03 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Thinkin' Gal
How!
25 posted on 02/21/2003 2:45:34 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: vannrox
Amazing! I had always thought the Cherokees were early Mormons.
26 posted on 02/21/2003 2:46:22 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
I'm not LDs, but am interested.
27 posted on 02/21/2003 2:46:51 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: kcamtx
If you do some research you will find that all American indian names are rooted in the Paleo-Hebrew language. The language of all people before the Tower of Babel "Running dog" is Paleo-Hebrew, damn, learn something new everyday!
28 posted on 02/21/2003 2:47:00 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: jalisco555
His headband said "Kosher le Pesach"...Kosher for Passover.
29 posted on 02/21/2003 2:47:53 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: duckman
Lol!
30 posted on 02/21/2003 2:48:24 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: vannrox
Schwantzes
31 posted on 02/21/2003 2:48:50 PM PST by SGCOS
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To: kcamtx
Do you know anything about the Bat Creek Stone - scratched writings? Any pictures of the Stone?
32 posted on 02/21/2003 2:49:25 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: sheik yerbouty
Right back at ya! ;-)

33 posted on 02/21/2003 2:51:02 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: vannrox
What does the DNA say?
34 posted on 02/21/2003 2:51:12 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: vannrox
There is a Cherokee working in this office. Think I might ask about this.
35 posted on 02/21/2003 2:51:46 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: jalisco555
Reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles with Mel Brooks playing an Indian chief speaking Yiddish.

Shvartzes! Loz um gehn! Zay zaynen noch tunkeler fun unz!

36 posted on 02/21/2003 2:51:50 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Just mythoughts
<Bat Creek Stone
37 posted on 02/21/2003 2:52:31 PM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the gay whales for jesus)
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To: EggsAckley
it looks like the early Hebrew letters that were used before the Babylonian exile. I can't read the old stuff, maybe there is a Freeper who can.
38 posted on 02/21/2003 2:54:37 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: EggsAckley
Thank you so much, very interesting.

This doesn't look like scratching, sure looks like who ever put it there was leaving a message.

39 posted on 02/21/2003 2:54:42 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: kcamtx
"...The language of all people before the Tower of Babel."

Really? Your source for this is...?

40 posted on 02/21/2003 2:56:53 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Just mythoughts
The Bat Creek Stone was discovered in 1889 in an undisturbed burial mound in Eastern Tennessee by the Smithsonian's Mound Survey project.

In 1971, Cyrus Gordon identified the letters inscribed on the stone as Paleo-Hebrew of approximately the first or second century A.D. According to him, the five letters to the left of the comma-shaped word divider read, from right to left, LYHWD, or "for Judea."

In 1988, wood fragments found with the inscription were Carbon-14 dated to somewhere between 32 A.D. and 769 A.D. These dates are consistent with the apparent date of the letters.

Today the stone resides out of sight in a back room of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C.
41 posted on 02/21/2003 2:57:43 PM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the gay whales for jesus)
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To: Just mythoughts
The Bat Creek Stone is written in the paleo or ancient Hebrew. There are very few Hebrew scholars who know that language. At some point in time, I forget when, there were 6 letters added to the Hebrew alpabet. Most scholars stay with the latter alpabet. That's why they could not translate the stone.
42 posted on 02/21/2003 2:58:54 PM PST by kcamtx
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To: vannrox
Thanks for another interesting article on this kind of topic. I think we've spoken in the past about the Melungeons, and the related theory that the Cherokees have a Turkish connection. There are many words in the Cherokee language that are very similar to words in Turkish.

Many people came to North America in the decades following Columbus's discovery. The Ottomon Empire had a navy, and some of their ships could have become stranded here. There were many Jews in Portugal, and the Portugese were one of the biggest explorers in that time. I have no doubt that people of the Middle East mixed with American Indian tribes.

The idea of people coming here long before that time is harder to support with real evidence. The Carthiginians had ships that would have a good chance of making the voyage. I know that Carthage was destroyed around the time of Christ, but I was under he impression that it was before Christ rather than afterwards. If Jews had come with the Carthaginians, I don't know whether the timing would have made it possible for them to have been at Masada.

The Melungeons: Appalachian Mystery
Bill

43 posted on 02/21/2003 2:59:49 PM PST by WFTR
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To: blam
PING!!

I know that you'll have something good to contribute...
44 posted on 02/21/2003 2:59:50 PM PST by tamu
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To: vannrox
Have asked our fellow coworker about this and it is her opinion this is total hogwash. Where do they get this stuff?
45 posted on 02/21/2003 3:02:10 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Just mythoughts
How odd.....I've gone through life knowing I was Cherokee, but the concept of being Jewish is another concept altogether. In a way, it explains the favorable feelings towards Israel that I've always had. Strange. Nothing like having the earth move beneath your feet, making what seemed solid and real become fluid and imaginary.
46 posted on 02/21/2003 3:02:17 PM PST by 11B3 (Liberalism is mental retardation. They should all be institutionalized. Permanently.)
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To: blam
Ping!
47 posted on 02/21/2003 3:04:25 PM PST by Cool Guy (In God We Trust.)
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To: Gorzaloon
You might enjoy a book called Lest We Forget, The Melungeon Colony of Newman’s Ridge. This book explores some theories of the origins of the Melungeons, a mountain people of the Southern Appalachians. In exploring those theories, the book examines evidence of many finds of this kind. The author acknowledges that most academics don't trust finds that aren't made by academics. As a result, few of these finds are given as much credance as they may deserve. In any case, they are fascinating reading.

The link goes to a book review that I wrote, and the review links to an essay on the Melungeons.

WFTR
Bill

48 posted on 02/21/2003 3:07:32 PM PST by WFTR
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To: Hodar
Didn't Joseph Smith also say the natives here were white, and were turned dark-skinned by God when they refused to accept Him? (or something like that)

Because that don't exactly follow modern science...

49 posted on 02/21/2003 3:19:33 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Looks similar to Canaanite-Phoenician.
50 posted on 02/21/2003 3:23:33 PM PST by Eastbound
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