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Homosexuals and the Pedophile Connection
Minnesota Family Council / Minnesota Family Institute ^ | 3/10/2003 | Joe Field

Posted on 03/15/2003 1:37:36 PM PST by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

If your child was attending a private, religious school would it concern you if the child´s teacher/counselor suddenly admitted that he was gay?

Lutheran High School of Greater Minneapolis found itself in such a situation with Roger Franzen, a gay pastor/teacher who taught religion at the school. Discussions ensued following this discovery and Franzen agreed to resign at the end of the 2000 school year while remaining “closeted and celibate.”

Less than two years later, attorneys came out of the woodwork to help Franzen sue the school and denomination for discrimination and invasion of privacy.

Minnesota‘s Human Rights Act, particularly as amended by the infamous 1994 gay rights amendment, seems to specifically afford religious institutions these discretions. The Franzen case should get nowhere fast.

But the issue of gays and public schools was recently highlighted in a U.S. District Court decision involving the New York City public school system. There the court ruled that the school system did not interfere with a teacher´s First Amendment rights when it fired him after discovering his active participation in the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). NAMBLA supports repealing the age of consent and child pornography laws as well as openly endorsing men and boys involved in underage sexual relationships.

But should such a ruling extend to homosexuals without such obvious connections to NAMBLA? The answer lies in whether there is a significant correlation between homosexuals and pedophile activity.

Gay activists have strenuously argued that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children. They point out that the majority of child molestation cases are by heterosexuals. But they neglect a pivotal fact: Homosexuals comprise only a small percentage of the population, yet account for an extraordinarily high percentage of offenses against children.

A recent study in Demography estimated the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent. The study took into account three large data sets, including the all-encompassing U.S. Census.

Now consider a report from the Journal of Sex Research which noted that homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses, even though they are outnumbered by heterosexuals 20 to one. Less than four percent of the population commits one-third of the offenses against children!

In The Gay Report, homosexual researchers report data showing that better than 7 out of 10 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19.

Or consider a study in Archives of Sexual Behavior, which found that of 229 convicted child molesters surveyed, “85 percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.”

The evidence is clear. Homosexuals have an overwhelming propensity towards child molestation. This is not to say that all homosexuals act out with pedophile tendencies. But the percentage of those who do is so disproportionately high it would be irresponsible and costly to ignore. Just ask the Roman Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church´s coffers are being drained by the millions to defend and settle an array of alleged child sex offenses by a number of priests. But the Catholic Church appears to have left itself open to further lawsuits when the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a Charter for the protection of children and young people. Included is the declaration that “for even a single act of sexual abuse of a minor — past, present, or future — the offending priest will be permanently removed from the ministry.” This “one strike, you´re out” policy for priests is a common sense start — but not enough.

The Bishops´ Charter is silent on the likeliest cause of the abuse problem — the existence of a large number of homosexuals in the priesthood. The Conference would benefit by heeding the words of Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Vall, who declared that “people with these inclinations just cannot be ordained. That does not imply a final judgment of people with homosexuality. But you cannot be in this field.” Instead the Conference, in apparent kowtowing to the gay lobby and political correctness, adopted a Charter that mandates the implementation of “adequate screening and evaluative techniques in deciding the fitness of candidates for ordination, as well as a “focus on the question of human formation for celibate and chastity.”

No matter the screening, even if there is no history of prior child molestation, placing homosexuals in settings with children — such as schools — is akin to putting heterosexual male sex offenders in a sorority house instead of a halfway house.

With the abnormally high percentage of homosexuals accounting for pedophile activity, children in all school settings — private or public — need protection. To neglect this is to continue to place our children knowingly in harm´s way.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuals; nambla; pedofiles; pedophiles; prisoners
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1 posted on 03/15/2003 1:37:36 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Since my child is a girl, I'm more worried about this type:
A 40-year-old is under arrest, charged with soliciting sex from a minor over the Internet.

Russ StrumlaufRoss Strumlauf was arrested by offices of the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office in the parking lot of Regency Square, where police say he thought he was going to meet a 13-year-old girl. Police say Strumlauf, believing he was communicating with the teen, exposed himself and offered to pay her for sex.

Officers regularly pose as young girls in Internet chat rooms looking for sexual predators.

Strumlauf also is charged with transmission of harmful materials to a minor over the Internet.


2 posted on 03/15/2003 1:42:07 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Willie Green
This is a violation of the fairy's rights and subjects him to unnecessary personal danger. He became a teaching tinkerbell so he wouldn't have to gamble with the diseased fairies in the general population but would have unlimited accesss to the clean, fresh young meat in his classroom. These selfish children have put the faggot at risk and it just isn't right. The democrats will fix this!!!
3 posted on 03/15/2003 1:44:09 PM PST by Tacis
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To: scripter; Remedy
ping!
4 posted on 03/15/2003 1:47:12 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Emmylou; FF578; Remedy; scripter; pram; I_Love_My_Husband; EdReform; Dataman; BibChr; yendu bwam; ..
Homosexual Agenda Ping

This article reveals the true nature of the Gay Gestapo. They are determined to destroy Christianity.
5 posted on 03/15/2003 1:48:46 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Tacis
This is a violation of the fairy's rights and subjects him to unnecessary personal danger. He became a teaching tinkerbell so he wouldn't have to gamble with the diseased fairies in the general population but would have unlimited accesss to the clean, fresh young meat in his classroom. These selfish children have put the faggot at risk and it just isn't right. The democrats will fix this!!! - Yea we must be tolerant and respect and celebrate his lifestyle choice and anyone who says otherwise is committing a hate crime! - This is all Bush's fault!
6 posted on 03/15/2003 1:53:13 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is bill [not allowed to practice law] clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Willie Green
... In The Gay Report, homosexual researchers report data showing that better than 7 out of 10 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19 ...

Was that when they were older, or when they themselves were 16 to 19 ? If it was when they themselves were that age, then the same percentage holds for heterosexuals. If so, then the later statement that the "great majority of homosexuals have a propensity towards child molestation" is false.

Do you (or anyone else out there) have another study that clarifies this ?

8 posted on 03/15/2003 1:58:02 PM PST by Camber-G
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To: Willie Green
I've got two words for parents who are put in this situation: home school.
9 posted on 03/15/2003 1:59:06 PM PST by Commander8
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To: Discussted
Normal people aren't gay.
10 posted on 03/15/2003 2:08:45 PM PST by ALS
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
{Lutheran High School of Greater Minneapolis found itself in such a situation with Roger Franzen, a gay pastor/teacher who taught religion at the school. Discussions ensued following this discovery and Franzen agreed to resign at the end of the 2000 school year while remaining “closeted and celibate.”
Less than two years later, attorneys came out of the woodwork to help Franzen sue the school and denomination for discrimination and invasion of privacy.
Minnesota‘s Human Rights Act, particularly as amended by the infamous 1994 gay rights amendment, seems to specifically afford religious institutions these discretions. The Franzen case should get nowhere fast.}

All Bible-believing schools ought to require pastors & teachers to sign statements affirming their allegiance to Biblical principles. There are too many churches that have been taken over by False Prophets.
11 posted on 03/15/2003 2:14:50 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool; I_Love_My_Husband; *Homosexual Agenda; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; ...
Thanks for the ping you two. Here's a ping of my own after trying to remove those who have already been pinged.

Homosexual Agenda Index
Homosexual Agenda Keyword Search
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12 posted on 03/15/2003 2:17:22 PM PST by scripter
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To: ALS; Discussted
<< Normal people aren't gay. >>

Normal people are gay -- as in "happy and gay!"

Deviant sodomists, on the other hand, are GAY, as in the anacromyn.

Got AIDS* Yet?

[*Anus Invaders Death Syndrome]
13 posted on 03/15/2003 2:17:57 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Discussted
Why would you defend someone like this?


14 posted on 03/15/2003 2:18:29 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Willie Green
A homosexual is not a role model for ANT child. And yes there is a connection between homosexuals and pedahilia.
15 posted on 03/15/2003 2:20:11 PM PST by nmh
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To: ALS
Agreed. The statistics cited above are not speculation. They are facts. Just like the fact that the average male homosexual has a life span of 41 years of age.

Let me ask you a question: if the average homosexual male were required to let his health insurance company know about his sexual status in the same way that smokers must inform their health insurance company about their habit, could the average gay man afford health insurance?

Answer: of course not. We are paying for the consequences of their sodomitical lifestyles. They are mooching off us. Homosexuals cannot survive without the stability provided by the surrounding heterosexual community, nor can they get "fresh meat" without it either. They are predators. The "gay rights" movement is nothing but special pleading from a bunch of sex perverts who want to socialize the consequences of their depraved lifestyles. Homosexuality is disgusting and utterly destructive to society.

16 posted on 03/15/2003 2:21:20 PM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Willie Green
Hells bells, my daughter is not allowed near a Catholic church, much less a Catholic school. The risks outweight any benefit.
17 posted on 03/15/2003 2:22:25 PM PST by nmh
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To: Discussted
Junk science? It gets no junkier than the "science" claiming gayness is a natural, inherited trait.

Why, tell me, can someone prey on teen boys for sex, claim to be heterosexual, and be taken seriously? At minimum, if it's same-sex adult/child sex then it's homosexual and vice versa. Gay groups with ulterior motives try to redefine the premises of studies in order to guarantee a favorable outcome. If kids are going to be protected, we need to be interested in truth only. When one group claims that sex between two men or two women is biologically normal, truth is already a casualty of the debate.

18 posted on 03/15/2003 2:33:53 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Willie Green
America has only what it tolerates.
19 posted on 03/15/2003 2:38:16 PM PST by NetValue (Only God can forgive the UN.)
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To: Willie Green
In The Gay Report, homosexual researchers report data showing that better than 7 out of 10 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19.

Someone who is 18 or 19 is old enough to vote, serve in the armed fores, and get married. A man of that age is not a child.

20 posted on 03/15/2003 2:43:58 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: scripter
Excellent Resource for Pastors and Parents

"No Tolerance for Truth: What Our Children Are Learning About Homosexuality"

This 38-minute video documentary will show you how an intense propaganda campaign is being waged to persuade our nation’s youth that homosexuality and gender confusion are normal and acceptable. You’ll also hear from parents, teachers, and school board members who have battled the aggressive pro-gay forces in their communities.

You’ll hear about the tactics of two homosexual activist groups — GLSEN and PFLAG — and how the “transgendered” issue is invading school classrooms and curriculums.

And you'll discover how to battle the destructive forces behind the issue.

Click on above link for info.

21 posted on 03/15/2003 2:51:30 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Our Nation's laws against homosexuality go back beyond it's founding. In every single civilized nation since the beginning of time, homosexuality was considered immoral, a crime against nature, and usually was a capital offense. Let's look at a few quotes:

"Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society -- the family." ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court in a decision denying custody of children to a lesbian mother.

The Corpus Juris Civilis is the sixth-century encyclopedic collection of Roman laws made under the sponsorship of Emperor Justinian. "It is Justinian's collection which served as the basis of canon law (the law of the Christian Church) and civil law (both European and English)."

The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris: "'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." (KJV) Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them."(KJV) Leviticus 20:13

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." (KJV) Deuteronomy 23:17

No matter how much society appears to change, the law on this subject has remained steadfast from the earliest history of the law, and that law is and must be our law today. The common law designates homosexuality as an inherent evil... ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court in a decision denying custody of children to a lesbian mother.

"The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable. " The United States Supreme Court in BOWERS v. HARDWICK, 478 U.S. 186 (1986) 478 U.S. 186

Criminal sodomy laws in effect in 1791:

Connecticut: 1 Public Statute Laws of the State of Connecticut, 1808, Title LXVI, ch. 1, 2 (rev. 1672). Delaware: 1 Laws of the State of Delaware, 1797, ch. 22, 5 (passed 1719). Georgia had no criminal sodomy statute until 1816, but sodomy was a crime at common law, and the General Assembly adopted the common law of England as the law of Georgia in 1784. The First Laws of the State of Georgia, pt. 1, p. 290 (1981). Maryland had no criminal sodomy statute in 1791. Maryland's Declaration of Rights, passed in 1776, however, stated that "the inhabitants of Maryland are entitled to the common law of England," and sodomy was a crime at common law. 4 W. Swindler, Sources and Documents of United States Constitutions 372 (1975). Massachusetts: Acts and Laws passed by the General Court of Massachusetts, ch. 14, Act of Mar. 3, 1785. New Hampshire passed its first sodomy statute in 1718. Acts and Laws of New Hampshire 1680-1726, p. 141 (1978). Sodomy was a crime at common law in New Jersey at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. The State enacted its first criminal sodomy law five years later. Acts of the Twentieth General Assembly, Mar. 18, 1796, ch. DC, 7. New York: Laws of New York, ch. 21 (passed 1787). [478 U.S. 186, 193] At the time of ratification of the Bill of Rights, North Carolina had adopted the English statute of Henry VIII outlawing sodomy. See Collection of the Statutes of the Parliament of England in Force in the State of North-Carolina, ch. 17, p. 314 (Martin ed. 1792). Pennsylvania: Laws of the Fourteenth General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ch. CLIV, 2 (passed 1790). Rhode Island passed its first sodomy law in 1662. The Earliest Acts and Laws of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations 1647-1719, p. 142 (1977). South Carolina: Public Laws of the State of South Carolina, p. 49 (1790). At the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, Virginia had no specific statute outlawing sodomy, but had adopted the English common law. 9 Hening's Laws of Virginia, ch. 5, 6, p. 127 (1821) (passed 1776).

Criminal sodomy statutes in effect in 1868:

Alabama: Ala. Rev. Code 3604 (1867). Arizona (Terr.): Howell Code, ch. 10, 48 (1865). Arkansas: Ark. Stat., ch. 51, Art. IV, 5 (1858). California: 1 Cal. Gen. Laws,  1450, 48 (1865). Colorado (Terr.): Colo. Rev. Stat., ch. 22, 45, 46 (1868). Connecticut: Conn. Gen. Stat., Tit. 122, ch. 7, 124 (1866). Delaware: Del. Rev. Stat., ch. 131, 7 (1893). Florida: Fla. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 2614 (passed 1868) (1892). Georgia: Ga. Code 4286, 4287, 4290 (1867). Kingdom of Hawaii: Haw. Penal Code, ch. 13, 11 (1869). Illinois: Ill. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 49, 50 (1845). Kansas (Terr.): Kan. Stat., ch. 53, 7 (1855). Kentucky: 1 Ky. Rev. Stat., ch. 28, Art. IV, 11 (1860). Louisiana: La. Rev. Stat., Crimes and Offences, 5 (1856). Maine: Me. Rev. Stat., Tit. XII, ch. 160, 4 (1840). Maryland: 1 Md. Code, Art. 30, 201 (1860). Massachusetts: Mass. Gen. Stat., ch. 165, 18 (1860). Michigan: Mich. Rev. Stat., Tit. 30, ch. 158, 16 (1846). Minnesota: Minn. Stat., ch. 96, 13 (1859). Mississippi: Miss. Rev. Code, ch. 64, LII, Art. 238 (1857). Missouri: 1 Mo. Rev. Stat., ch. 50, Art. VIII, 7 (1856). Montana (Terr.): Mont. Acts, Resolutions, Memorials, Criminal Practice Acts, ch. IV, 44 (1866). Nebraska (Terr.): Neb. Rev. Stat., Crim. Code, ch. 4, 47 (1866). [478 U.S. 186, 194] Nevada (Terr.): Nev. Comp. Laws, 1861-1900, Crimes and Punishments, 45. New Hampshire: N. H. Laws, Act. of June 19, 1812, 5 (1815). New Jersey: N. J. Rev. Stat., Tit. 8, ch. 1, 9 (1847). New York: 3 N. Y. Rev. Stat., pt. 4, ch. 1, Tit. 5, 20 (5th ed. 1859). North Carolina: N.C. Rev. Code, ch. 34, 6 (1855). Oregon: Laws of Ore., Crimes - Against Morality, etc., ch. 7, 655 (1874). Pennsylvania: Act of Mar. 31, 1860, 32, Pub. L. 392, in 1 Digest of Statute Law of Pa. 1700-1903, p. 1011 (Purdon 1905). Rhode Island: R. I. Gen. Stat., ch. 232, 12 (1872). South Carolina: Act of 1712, in 2 Stat. at Large of S. C. 1682-1716, p. 493 (1837). Tennessee: Tenn. Code, ch. 8, Art. 1, 4843 (1858). Texas: Tex. Rev. Stat., Tit. 10, ch. 5, Art. 342 (1887) (passed 1860). Vermont: Acts and Laws of the State of Vt. (1779). Virginia: Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). West Virginia: W. Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). Wisconsin (Terr.): Wis. Stat. 14, p. 367 (1839).

"Forasmuch as there is not yet sufficient and condign punishment appointed and limited by the due course of the Laws of this Realm for the detestable and abominable Vice of Buggery committed with mankind of beast: It may therefore please the King's Highness with the assent of the Lords Spiritual and the Commons of this present parliament assembled, that it may be enacted by the authority of the same, that the same offence be from henceforth ajudged Felony and that such an order and form of process therein to be used against the offenders as in cases of felony at the Common law. And that the offenders being herof convict by verdict confession or outlawry shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their good chattels debts lands tenements and hereditaments as felons do according to the Common Laws of this Realme. And that no person offending in any such offence shall be admitted to his Clergy, And that Justices of the Peace shall have power and authority within the limits of their commissions and Jurisdictions to hear and determine the said offence, as they do in the cases of other felonies. This Act to endure till the last day. of the next Parliament" Buggery act of England 1553

Britton, i.10: "Let enquiry also be made of those who feloniously in time of peace have burnt other's corn or houses, and those who are attainted thereof shall be burnt, so that they might be punished in like manner as they have offended. The same sentence shall be passed upon sorcerers, sorceresses, renegades, sodomists, and heretics publicly convicted" English law forbidding sodomy dating back to 1300AD.

These quotes are just a few of the many that are avaliable.

Now, why did these laws exist? Libertarians and other assorted liberal folk don't like any laws that protect society and prevent the moral decline of a nation's people. They are immoral people and they want to be free to be immoral.

What did our founders say about this? Way back in 1815, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided an important case, here are excerpts from that case:

This court is...invested with power to punish not only open violations of decency and morality, but also whatever secretly tends to undermine the principles of society... Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are public offenses, not because they are perpetrated publically, but because their effect is to injure the public. Buglary, though done in secret, is a public offense; and secretly destroying fences is indictable.

Hence it follows, that an offense may be punishable, if in it's nature and by it's example, it tends to the corruption or morals; although it not be committed in public.

Although every immoral act, such as lying, ect... is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid...

No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people, secret poision cannot be thus desseminated.

Keep in mind now that the judges on this court had lived through the revolution and fought for the nation's survival. This was just a few years after the Constitution was Adopted. SO the libertarians who are going to scream that these judges didn't know what they were talking about are way off base. (They want you to think that your basic pot head knows more about the Constitution than the men who were actually there at the nation's founding.)

Now why did the court take that position? Simple, a Nation without morality cannot function. A nation that loses site on principle is doomed to go the way of the Roman Empire. Every single nation that has lost sight of basic moral principles has fallen. Homosexuality is anathema to morality. The two cannot exist together. Homosexuality is unnatural (no matter how much liberals will try to convince you otherwise.) And it is immoral. It cannot be tolerated period.

Homosexuality is immoral, Indecent, abhorant, and repugnant. It is a stain on our society, and must never ever be tolerated.

22 posted on 03/15/2003 2:57:50 PM PST by FF578 (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)
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To: george wythe
What Is "A Homosexual" Kinsey's published data reveal that homosexuals are much more willing to "try it" with an animal, a child, a man, many women, or for that matter "something completely different
23 posted on 03/15/2003 3:32:04 PM PST by Remedy
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To: HumanaeVitae
BUMP!
24 posted on 03/15/2003 3:33:37 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Discussted
Talk about Goebbels. Sheesh.

Labeling something "Junk Science" without being able to present a reasoned argument is typical liberal PC propaganda.

The idea that homosexuality can be inherited is Junk Science.

The concept of a "gay gene" is Junk Science.

The idea that it's somehow normal and natural biology for one man's reproductive organ to be inserted into another man's rectum is Junk Science.

The idea that homosexual behavior is not dangerous is Junk Science.

The psycho-babble term "homophobia" is Junk Science.

Applying the term "homosexual" only to those who are exclusively homosexual is Junk Science.

Refusing to use the term "homosexual" in a case where a married man has molested a young boy is Junk Science.

Removing homosexuality from the realm of mental disorders simply because it has become more common is Junk Science.

Using statistics to determine probabilities is not Junk Science.
25 posted on 03/15/2003 3:34:33 PM PST by watchin (If no one is following them ... are they still leaders?)
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To: Willie Green

The Catholic Church´s coffers are being drained by the millions to defend and settle an array of alleged child sex offenses by a number of priests. But the Catholic Church appears to have left itself open to further lawsuits when the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a Charter for the protection of children and young people.

Investigation clears priest in Spokane, says bishop

 Ongoing Reflections on Priest

...The media, however, has made the actions of a few pedophile priests the main problem. Bad as it is, the main problem of errant priestly crimes is not in the area of pedophilia, which is strictly defined as an adult having sexual relations with someone below the age of puberty (12), but rather in the phenomena of priests with homosexual inclinations seeking out vulnerable youth. The secular press refuses to recognize that these priests are actively homosexual, not pedophiles.... Although one priest involved in sexual relations with teenage boys is one priest too many, still it should be stressed that the number of priests who have seduced teenage boys is a very small percentage of the 47,000 odd priests in the U.S.A. One report said that 177 priests throughout the USA have been removed from ministry. This of course is the source of serious scandal, which is made even greater by the anger of Catholic laity, who hold that our bishops have covered up these situations, and have made immense payments to settle law suits made by victims and their families. But one may ask whether our bishops as a body have been judged too harshly by both the media and our Catholic laity.

The archbishop said that the Catholic laity demand that any complaint against a priest concerning sexual abuse should be turned over to the D.A.'s office. Were he not to do so, he could be accused of covering up. This disclosure of individuals could lead to unsubstantiated charges against a priest, and, once published, this would do irreparable damage to the good reputation of the priest. He would be removed from his work, and not allowed to minister to the faithful until it is proven that the charges are false. In other words, priests are vulnerable to false accusations with no adequate defense.

But from the statistics on various dioceses - covering 30 or 40 years concerning priests' involvement with teenage boys - it is clear that the percentage of such crimes among priests is very low indeed. When recently in New York, Allentown, and Philadelphia, records of such sexual misbehaviour were submitted to District Attorney's offices, it was noted in the media that most of the cases were beyond the statute of limitations; however, throughout the country, one notes practically everyday one old case or another is brought to light. Unfortunately, this conveys the impression that such crimes are increasing, and the Church in America has been inept in taking care of victims, and in exercising necessary discipline of the accused priests.

Such views of 'designated Catholics' like Sullivan are put forth as expert moral opinion. But this is only a pose, leading up to the real message "which is that the Church will have to abandon its commitment to preserving the moral order in the sexual realm." The political purpose of the current crisis is "to break whatever hold the Catholic Church still has on morals, because morals, especially sexual morals, are the only thing which stands between the nations' beleagured individuals and families and the globalists control of culture through appetite..." (Jones, Culture Wars, April 2002).

New York Gay Legislator Advocatesdiscrimination Against Catholic Priests Thomas Duane, a gay state senator from New York, declared yesterday that all Catholic priests should be barred from leading a prayer in the legislature.

26 posted on 03/15/2003 3:38:34 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Discussted

>>Too bad Goebbels is dead<<

Homosexuality and the Nazi Party ...While the neo-pagans were busy attacking from without, liberal theologians undermined Biblical authority from within the Christian church. The school of so-called "higher criticism," which began in Germany in the late 1800s, portrayed the miracles of God as myths; by implication making true believers (Jew and Christian alike) into fools. And since the Bible was no longer accepted as God's divine and inerrant guide, it could be ignored or reinterpreted. By the time the Nazis came to power, "Bible-believing" Christians, (the Confessing Church) were a small minority. As Grunberger asserts, Nazism itself was a "pseudo-religion" (ibid.:79) that competed, in a sense, with Christianity and Judaism.

From the early years, leading Nazis openly attacked Christianity. Joseph Goebbels declared that "Christianity has infused our erotic attitudes with dishonesty" (Taylor:20). It is in this campaign against Judeo- Christian morality that we find the reason for the German people's acceptance of Nazism's most extreme atrocities. Their religious foundations had been systematically eroded over a period of decades by powerful social forces. By the time the Nazis came to power, German culture was spiritually bankrupt. Too often, historians have largely ignored the spiritual element of Nazi history; but if we look closely at Hitler's campaign of extermination of the Jews, it becomes clear that his ostensive racial motive obscures a deeper and more primal hatred of the Jews as the "People of God."

The probable reason for Hitler's attack on Christianity was his perception that it alone had the moral authority to stop the Nazi movement. But Christians stumbled before the flood of evil. As Poliakov notes, "[W]hen moral barriers collapsed under the impact of Nazi preaching...the same anti-Semitic movement that led to the slaughter of the Jews gave scope and license to an obscene revolt against God and the moral law. An open and implacable war was declared on the Christian tradition...[which unleashed] a frenzied and unavowed hatred of Christ and the Ten Commandments" (Poliakov:300).

The Poisoned Stream. "Gay" Influence in Human History. Volume One. Germany 1890-1945.

Igra's primary value to us today is that he was an eyewitness to the changes that occurred in Germany; an eyewitness with a uniquely prophetic sense of the danger of "gay" influence in society. I consider it a great privilege to be able to review his work for the modern reader.
Igra's Thesis: Homosexuality Was at the Root of Nazi Evil

"I had finished the writing of [Germany's National Vice]," writes Samuel Igra, "when my attention was called to a British White Paper, 'Concerning the treatment of German Nationals (including the Jews) in Germany,' in which the following statement is made: 'The explanation for this outbreak of sadistic cruelty may be that sexual perversion, and, in particular, homosexuality, are very prevalent in Germany. It seems to me that mass sexual perversion may offer an explanation of this otherwise inexplicable outbreak.' [Page 20. His Majesty's Stationary Office, 1939].
"The author of that statement is Mr. R. T. Smallbones, who was British Consul-General at Frankfort-on-Main from 1932 until the outbreak of the war in 1939. Previous to 1932 he had been stationed in other German cities. His opinion therefore rests on firsthand experience of the German people for a long period of years. I am convinced that his explanation is the correct one. For, as a matter of fact, the widespread existence of sexual perversion in Germany, not only at the time the Hitler movement rose to power but also under the Kaiser's regime, is notorious... And authorities on criminal sociology are agreed that there is a causal connection between mass sexual perversion and the kind of mass atrocities committed by the Germans (ibid:7).

The Roehm Purge, then, was not a "moral cleansing" of the Nazi ranks, but a re-alignment of power behind the German government which was primarily forced upon Hitler by powerful political elements whose support he needed to maintain control. Igra goes on to point out that not only did the majority of the SA homosexuals survive the purge, but that the massacre was largely implemented by homosexuals.

There is no question that homosexuality figures prominently in the history of the Holocaust. As we have noted, the ideas for disposing of the Jews originated with Lanz von Leibenfels. The first years of terrorism against the Jews were carried out by the homosexuals of the SA. The first concentration camp, as well as the system for training its brutal guards, was the work of Ernst Roehm. The first pogrom, Kristallnacht, was orchestrated in 1938 by the homosexual Reinhard Heydrich. And it was the transvestite Goering who started the "evolution of the Final Solution...[with an] order to Heydrich (Jan. 24, 1939) concerning the solution of the Jewish question by 'emigration' and 'evacuation'" (Robinson:25).International Committee for Holocaust Truth: 1996 Report

HERMENEUTICAL ISSUES IN THE USE OF THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE ... Thus, the sin of the two groups of men in Sodom and Gibeah is, in both instances, the desire to engage in homosexual rape. But there is validity in connecting this sin to the violation of the norm of hospitality. There is weight to the suggestion that the desire to rape the visitors is less the expression of homosexual desire and activity per se, and more the use of forcible homosexual rape to express dominance over the strangers. This practice occurred in the Ancient Middle East when armies were defeated, and it occurs today in certain all-male settings, such as prisons.[11] This is supported by the fact that in both instances, when women were offered to the men, both groups of men initially rejected the offer. The conclusion, more clearly for Sodom than for Gibeah[12], is that the goal of homosexual rape is the male inhabitants' desire to express their dominance over the strangers.

Conclusion to the Psychological Effects of Combat - Dave Grossman, Author It is often said that "All's fair in love and war," and this expression provides a valuable insight into the human psyche, since these twin, taboo fields of sexuality and aggression represent the two realms in which most individuals will consistently deceive both themselves and others. Our psychological and societal inability to confront the truth about the effects of combat is the foundation for the cultural conspiracy of repression, a deception and denial that has helped to perpetuate and propagate war throughout recorded history.

In the field of developmental psychology, a mature adult is sometimes defined as someone who has attained a degree of insight and self-control in the two areas of sexuality and aggression. This is also a useful definition of maturity in civilizations.

Sadomasochism That sadomasochism and homoeroticism often occur together with Nazism in the Holocaust film is a fact that has long been recognized and is frequently observed. Ilan Avisar, in Screening the Holocaust, traces what he calls the connection of Nazism and "sexual deviance" to Rossellini's Open City.[1] Gerd Gemünden suggests that in 1942, "the association of male homosexuality with sadism and perversion [as in the effeminate portrayal of Heydrich in Hangmen Also Die] ... anticipates postwar films such as The Damned (Visconti 1969) and Night Porter (Cavani 1974)."[2]

[1] Ilan Avisar, Screening the Holocaust: Cinema's Images of the Unimaginable (Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1988), pp. 134-48

[2] Gerd Gemünden, "Brecht in Hollywood: Hangmen Also Die and the Anti-Nazi Film," TDR 43 (4) (Winter 1999): 65-7; The earliest book in English to conflate Nazism with sexual perversion was Samuel Igra's Germany's National Vice (London: Quality Press, Ltd., 1945).

The Sexual Rage Behind Islamic Terror ALL SERIAL KILLERS, almost without exception, are severely sexually abused as children. The kind of people who hijack a plane with innocent people and drive it into a building with thousands of other innocent people are related to this phenomenon.

In this culture, males sexually penetrating males becomes a manifestation of male power, conferring a status of hyper-masculinity. It is considered to have nothing to do with homosexuality. An unmarried man who has sex with boys is simply doing what men do. As the scholar Bruce Dunne has demonstrated, sex in Islamic societies is not about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male's achievement of pleasure through violent domination.

There is silence around this issue. It is the silence that legitimizes sexual violence against women, such as honor crimes and female circumcision. It is also the silence that forces victimized Arab boys into invisibility. Even though the society does not see their sexual exploitation as being humiliating, the psychological and emotional scars that result from their subordination, powerlessness and humiliation is a given. Traumatized by the violation of their dignity and manliness, they spend the rest of their lives trying to get it back.

Violating the masculinity of the enemy necessitates the dishing out of severe violence against him. In the recent terrorist strikes, therefore, violence against Americans served as a much-needed release of the terrorists' bottled-up sexual rage. Moreover, it served as a desperate and pathological testament of the re-masculinization of their emasculated selves.

Gay Nazis: the Role of Homosexuality in Nazism & Hitler's Rise to ... Thus butch hypermasculinity, visibility for homosexuals, and organization were the three necessary ingredients in the mix which allowed the SA leaders to make their unique and essential contribution to the rise of Nazism. Another important consideration is that visibility is enabled when homosexuality assumes a political voice. In this way, the politicization of homosexuality, which supported gays in the process of socially identifying themselves as such, was a necessary condition for Hitler's success.

Violence and Homosexuality

Was Hitler's Homosexuality Nazism's Best-Kept Secret?

"The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution Of The Christian Churches"

27 posted on 03/15/2003 3:41:10 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Kuksool
The high school is one of ours (Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod), and Franzen was on our clergy roster.

Was.

When it became known that he was a homosexual, he was removed from our clergy roster, which is right and proper. We do not allow known homosexuals to be pastors or teachers in the LCMS.

28 posted on 03/15/2003 3:44:10 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (LCMS pastor)
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To: Discussted
Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement, by Steve Baldwin

Coming Out of Pedophilia

Crafting Bi/Homosexual Youth by Judith Reisman

Gay Foster Parents More Apt to Molest

Homosexuality and child molestation: the link, the likelihood, the lasting effects

Homosexuals target Boy Scouts

Child Molestation and Homosexuality

Talking Points: Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse

Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'

30 posted on 03/15/2003 3:47:43 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Discussted
Perversion is perversion. Spilling gallon of cologne on a manure pile doesn't change its essential character.

31 posted on 03/15/2003 3:49:14 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Discussted

>>to protect our children we must differentiate between paedophelia and homosexuality<<

Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 US 186 (1986) The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable.

BURGER, C.J., Concurring Opinion Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeo-Christian moral and ethical standards. Homosexual sodomy was a capital crime under Roman law…. During the English Reformation, when powers of the ecclesiastical courts were transferred to the King's Courts, the first English statute criminalizing sodomy was passed…. Blackstone described "the infamous crime against nature" as an offense of "deeper malignity" than rape, a heinous act "the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature," and "a crime not fit to be named." W. Blackstone, Commentaries . The common law of England, including its prohibition of sodomy, became the received law of Georgia and the other Colonies. In 1816, the Georgia Legislature passed the statute at issue here, and that statute has been continuously in force in one form or another since that time. To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.

This is essentially not a question of personal "preferences," but rather of the legislative authority of the State. I find nothing in the Constitution depriving a State of the power to enact the statute challenged here.

Thomas Jefferson on Sodomy Sect. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least. Peterson, Merrill D. "Crimes and Punishments" Thomas Jefferson: Writings Public Papers (Literary Classics of the United States, Inc. 1984) pp. 355, 356.

Hundreds rally for '10 Commandments judge' The effort is in response to the Alabama high court's unanimous decision to reject a lesbian mother's child custody petition. Moore wrote a separate concurring opinion, repudiating homosexuality on religious grounds, calling it "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God."

32 posted on 03/15/2003 3:49:48 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Discussted
Just one word: chickenhawk.
33 posted on 03/15/2003 3:49:51 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Charles Henrickson
Good to hear that. Today, it seems the only two denominations willing to stand for God's Truth are the Lutheran Missouri-Synod and the Southern Baptists. The rest of the mainline denominations are beholden to liberal special interest groups.
35 posted on 03/15/2003 3:53:32 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Discussted
YOU have been propaGAYgandized.
  1. Homosexual Propaganda Campaign Based On Hitler's 'Big Lie' Technique
  2. Gay Rights Strategies Involve Conscious Deception And Wholesale Manipulation of Public Opinion
  3. New Book Guides Journalists in Reporting of Homosexual Issues
  4. Selling Homosexuality To America
  5. Homosexual minority dominates mainstream America

36 posted on 03/15/2003 3:55:29 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Discussted
Many early Nazis were notorious homosexuals. The Brownshirts spent entire weekends engaged in sodomy with young boys.

You heroes--not ours.

37 posted on 03/15/2003 3:57:06 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kuksool
DITTO. along with some independents.
38 posted on 03/15/2003 3:57:37 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Willie Green
In The Gay Report, homosexual researchers report data showing that better than 7 out of 10 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19.

If the homosexual in question is between the ages of 16-21 when the sex took place, that's not incredibly strange--it's certainly not "child molestation." A 16-year-old guy is not a "child" in any meaningful sense. Also: it's LEGAL for older gays to have sex with 18- and 19-year-old guys--why is this article mixing a statistic about legal sex with statistics about child molestation?

Any research into a connection between child molestation and homosexuality MUST start out with a reasonable definition of child molestation. For example: the child is 12 or younger and either 1)the perpetrator is more than six years older and/or 2)it was a forcible rape, that would be a reasonable definition--certainly not the only one possible, but a very reasonable definition, erring on the side of undercounting predation on children, instead of trying to overcount the level of abuse to push a hysterical anti-gay agenda.

Mixing statistics about child molestation and homosexuals who have LEGAL sex with other adult homosexuals is ridiculous! That at 19 FReepers believe you should be allowed to buy a handgun, but you aren't capable of deciding if someone should put their genitals into your anal orifice? Is that reasonable?

39 posted on 03/15/2003 3:58:25 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Willie Green
Counting 19-year-olds as children for the purposes of pedophilia is like counting 25-year-olds as children for the purposes of estimating gun deaths.
40 posted on 03/15/2003 3:58:52 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: NetValue
America has only what it tolerates.

BTTT!!

41 posted on 03/15/2003 4:02:06 PM PST by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism"....Mel Gibson)
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To: Discussted
If yo are going to invoke the name of famous Nazi in your defense of the grossly sick and dysfucntional gay lifestyle, at least take a few moments to familiarize yourself with the facts:

The Homosexual Roots of the Nazi Party

The "gay rights" movement often portrays itself as an American phenomenon which arose from the civil rights movement of the 1950s. It is not uncommon to hear homosexualists (those both "gay" and "straight" who promote the legitimization of homosexuality) characterize "gay rights" as the natural third wave of civil rights activism (following blacks and women). In reality, however, Germany was the birthplace of "gay rights," and its legacy in that nation is truly alarming.

The "grandfather of gay rights" was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. Ulrichs had been molested at age 14 by his male riding instructor. Instead of attributing his adult homosexuality to the molestation, however, Ulrich devised in the 1860s what became known as the "third sex" theory of homosexuality. Ulrichs' model holds that male homosexuals are actually female souls trapped within male bodies. The reverse phenomenon supposedly explains lesbianism. Since homosexuality was an innate condition, reasoned Ulrichs, homosexual behavior should be decriminalized. An early follower of Ulrichs coined the term "homosexual" in an open letter to the Prussian Minister of Justice in 1869.

By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the "gay rights" movement in Germany had gained considerable strength. Frederich Engels noted this in a letter to Karl Marx regarding Ulrich's efforts: "The pederasts start counting their numbers and discover they are a powerful group in our state. The only thing missing is an organization, but it seems to exist already, but it is hidden." After Ulrichs' death, the movement split into two separate and opposed factions. One faction followed Ulrichs' successor, Magnus Hirschfeld, who formed the Scientific Humanitarian Committee in 1897 and later opened the Institute for Sex Research in Berlin. The other faction was organized by Adolf Brand, publisher of the first homosexual magazine, Der Eigene (The Special). Brand, Benedict Friedlander and Wilhelm Janzen formed the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (The Community of the Special) in 1902. What divided these groups was their concepts of masculinity. Ulrichs' theory embraced a feminine identity. His, and later Hirschfeld's, followers literally believed they were women trapped in men's bodies.

The followers of Brand, however, were deeply insulted by Ulrichs' theory. They perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals. The Community of the Special (CS) asserted that male homosexuality was the foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an elite strata of human society. The CS fashioned itself as a modern incarnation of the warrior cults of ancient Greece. Modeling themselves after the military heroes of Sparta, Thebes and Crete, the members of the CS were ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to man/boy sex). Brand said in Der Eigene that he wanted men who "thirst for a revival of Greek times and Hellenic standards of beauty after centuries of Christian barbarism."

One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism and the later persecution of some homosexuals by the Nazis is found in this early history of the German "gay rights" movement. For it was the CS which created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the loathing which these "Butches" held for effeminate homosexuals ("Femmes") which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich.

From Boy Scouts to Brownshirts

The "Butch" homosexuals of the CS transformed Germany. Their primary vehicle was the German youth movement, known as the Wandervogel (Rovers or Wandering Youth). "In Central Europe," writes homosexual historian Parker Rossman, "there was another effort to revive the Greek ideal of pedagogic pederasty in the movement of 'Wandering Youth'... Ultimately, Hitler used and transformed the movement...expanding and building upon its romanticism as a basis for the Nazi Party" (Rossman:103).

Rising spontaneously in the 1890s as an informal hiking and camping society, the Wandervogel became an official organization at the turn of the century, similar to the Boy Scouts. From early on, however, the Wandervogel was dominated and controlled by the pederasts of the CS. CS co-founder Wilhelm Janzen was its chief benefactor, and its leadership was rife with homosexuality. In 1912, CS theorist Hans Blueher wrote The German Wandervogel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon which told how the organization was used to recruit young boys into homosexuality . . . .

Continued

42 posted on 03/15/2003 4:03:00 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Discussted
You didn't even read it.
44 posted on 03/15/2003 4:10:01 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Camber-G; madg
If it was when they themselves were that age

Now you've done it. You went and spoiled the statistics regarding the "evidence" that everyone who is gay molests your child. Or a child. Or their cat.

homosexual researchers report data showing that better than 7 out of 10 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19

'cause we know them 19 year old boys are vulnerable at that age, and sex at that young an age is criminal..

Less than two years later, attorneys came out of the woodwork to help Franzen sue the school and denomination for discrimination and invasion of privacy.

I, for one, am not sure how these attorneys got into the woodwork. But it's a good thing they're only "helping" Franzen sue. Lord help us if they actually represented him..

45 posted on 03/15/2003 4:10:25 PM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta!!!!)
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To: Discussted
Many of your own own gaystapo historians revel in this Nazi history. They fully embrace a horrific truth you are too spineless and snivelling to face up to.

I have more respect for their honesty than I do for your cowardice and stupidity.

46 posted on 03/15/2003 4:12:02 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Remedy
My Pope has lost all his moral authority because of my church allowing Homosexuals to prey on teen age boys and they have set back Catholicism 100 years with their evil ways. Before the Pope is ever taken seriously again on moral matters he has to cleanse my church of all Homosexuals.
47 posted on 03/15/2003 4:12:14 PM PST by mikemurphy111
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To: scripter
So how come I am not on the homosexual agenda ping list?
48 posted on 03/15/2003 4:43:15 PM PST by Houmatt (Accept no substitutes.)
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To: Discussted
I think these people need some work on their hate propaganda. Too bad Goebbels is dead or they might have a chance of convincing decent, normal people to believe this.

They don't have to try that hard, pal. NAMBLA is doing it all for them.

For starters, NAMBLA is the only pro-pedophilia organization in America. There is no NAMGLA.

Furthermore, if you have ever visited their website, you would know that well-known homosexual activists also support pedophilia, like Larry Kramer and Pat Califa, as their own words have been posted at the website.

So all this article really does is validate the obvious.

49 posted on 03/15/2003 4:52:52 PM PST by Houmatt (Accept no substitutes.)
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To: Brian Allen
Well said. Let's face it folks, it's called "queer" for a reason.
Of course, you're thinking needs to be normal to understand what I just said...
50 posted on 03/15/2003 5:11:27 PM PST by ALS
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