Support Bill H.R. 990! This Act Would Make Your Concealed Carry Weapon Permit Valid In All 50 States

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr990.html ^

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

This bill would require that states recognize, respect and honor the concealed carry rights of any individual who has a valid license or permit to carry a handgun in any state. H.R. 990, the Second Amendment Restoration Act, establishes no Federal Standard for a Concealed Weapon Permit.

108th CONGRESS 1st Session

H. R. 990

To amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 27, 2003 Mr. HOSTETTLER (for himself, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. CRANE, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. WAMP, Mr. OTTER, Mr. GIBBONS, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr. NEY, Mr. CANNON, Mr. GOODE, Mr. BOUCHER, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. PETERSON of Pennsylvania, Mr. GOODLATTE, Mr. HALL, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. ENGLISH, Mr. BISHOP of Georgia, Mrs. MUSGRAVE, Mr. PENCE, and Mr. BRADLEY of New Hampshire) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A BILL To amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Secure Access to Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2003'.

SEC. 2. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926A the following:

`Sec. 926B. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

`Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is--

`(1) carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm; or

`(2) otherwise entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State of the person's residence,

may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or with the laws of the State of the person's residence, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.'.

(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926A the following:

`926B. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.'.

SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.

The provisions of this Act and the amendments made by this Act shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act. END

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

This is a great way to get around all the states that do not issue Concealed Weapon Permits to their citizens. We need to support this bill.

Write your elected officials in the House of Representatives about H.R. 990

[Boston Capitalist]

bump

[FreedomCalls]

I can carry concealed in Vermont. Can I carry in all 50 states if this passes?

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

[SSN558]

absolutely outstanding. A shot has just been fired over the bow, at Feinswine and Shumerscum.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

I can carry concealed in Vermont. Can I carry in all 50 states if this passes?

If the bill passes as written yes.

[George from New England]

If this was introduced on Feb 27 this year, why is this the first we are hearing of it. Does it stand a chance?

[xm177e2]

I can carry concealed in Vermont. Can I carry in all 50 states if this passes?

Yes.

`Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is--

`(1) carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm; or

`(2) otherwise entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State of the person's residence,

may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or with the laws of the State of the person's residence, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.'.

The way I read this, if police officers are automatically allowed to carry concealed in on state, they wouldn't need permits to carry in other states, either (if they are only allowed to carry openly, this law would not apply to them).

[Skywalk]

I have a question. Shouldn't CCWs fall under "Full faith and credit" in the Constitution?

Meaning: While I approve of this bill, if the government were following the rules, shouldn't this be redundant?

[xm177e2]

Does it stand a chance?

Of course not.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

If this was introduced on Feb 27 this year, why is this the first we are hearing of it. Does it stand a chance?

If we do not support this bill it probably will not have a chance. We need to support all good legislation.

[Puppage]

Does it stand a chance?

I wish & dream of the day when this happens, but alas, it won't be in my lifetime.

[FreedomCalls]

I don't live in Vermont. My point is that in Vermont ANYONE can carry concealed. There is no license, no test, no form to fill out, no approval to get. Everyone there has that right automatically.

So would this law mean that anyone, anywhere could carry concealed by virtue of Vermont's laws (or lack of laws)?

[George from New England]

I wish & dream of the day when this happens, but alas, it won't be in my lifetime

Either you have advanced cancer! or you are way to much a realist!

[Clean_Sweep]

The GOP can't pass a fart in the Senate, what do you think will happen?

[TalBlack]

No matter WHAT law is passed NY STATE will not allow this period! They are RABIDLY against guns here. I mean, to the point of stupidity!

[firewalk]

bttt

[Puppage]

There is no license, no test, no form to fill out, no approval to get. Everyone there has that right automatically.

But, if you read their law, there is ONE requirement.....(and I'm not kidding here)

That you have no malice in your heart.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Does it stand a chance? Of course not.

Right now, there are twenty-two cosponsers of H.R. 990

[Puppage]

I'm happy to be in step with the latter. Thank you very much.

[SwinneySwitch]

Could be!

[FreedomCalls]

No kidding! You're pulling my leg....

[GOPyouth]

Not so sure I like this. I think this should be a state by state issue unless there is set federal testing/training standard that everybody must go through in order to get their permit.

[Puppage]

Ain't THAT the truth!!

As a Connecticut CCW holder I often wonder why I'm deemed a responsible person, but as soon as I cross the border into NY I'm immediately unworthy?

[Puppage]

Honest to God. That's what it says.

[BikerNYC]

I agree. I like the idea of this, but isn't this another example of the feds interfering with the internal affairs of the states?

If the full faith and credit clause applied, that could be determined now through a series of lawsuits, not federal legislation.

[Brian S]

Does it stand a chance?

Worth pursuing but probably not with this Senate. President Bush did sign the CCW law for the great State of Texas while governor.

[Sacajaweau]

Don't tell me they're going to finally invoke the Bill of Rights which extends to EVERY citizen. The States can establish "buying" regs, i.e., record checks, waiting periods, age etc..

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Not so sure I like this. I think this should be a state by state issue unless there is set federal testing/training standard that everybody must go through in order to get their permit.

You want to Federalize Concealed Carry Permits? That would be a nightmare.

What this bill does is simply give unity to Concealed Carry laws in the United States. Why can I carry a handgun legally in Utah and then cross the border to Nevada, California, New York or ten other states and suddenly be in violation of laws? The handgun carry laws need to be unified, but not controlled by the Federal Government.

[bigfootbob]

"Not so sure I like this. I think this should be a state by state issue unless there is set federal testing/training standard that everybody must go through in order to get their permit."

Just curious, if you're a male, when you travel do you pee the same from state to state? Stand in one sit in another?

[Ford Fairlane]

any individual who has a valid license or permit to carry a handgun in any state

I had a concealed carry permit when I lived in Indiana - According to the sherrif of the county I used to live in, it is still valid when I am in Indiana, even though I am now an Illinois resident

If I am reading this correctly, I would then be able to carry in Illinois legally, even though you cannot get a permit in Illinois

Am I right?

[chicagolady]

Praise the Lord!

[xm177e2]

They need more than 22 votes to get it passed. At least they can count on Ron Paul.

[muir_redwoods]

The fly in the ointment is the great state of Vermont which doesn't require a permit. In effect all Vermonters are already permitted. I suppose you could require a permit from one of the other 49 to be legal in all 50 but that would leave Vermonters at a disadvantage (besides the big one of having Jeffords/Sanders/Leahy as congressional representatives).

If this passes (which is highly unlikely despite being emminently fair and just)Vermont will have to address the issue themselves I suppose.

[xm177e2]

If I am reading this correctly, I would then be able to carry in Illinois legally, even though you cannot get a permit in Illinois

I think so. It goes by either the state law OR ANY permit ANYWHERE. You have a permit, you can carry. I don't know how long an Indiana permit lasts, though, so you might have to move back to get it renewed, even under this new law...

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

If you are a citizen of Vermont, and this bill passes, you can carry in any state without a permit.

[xm177e2]

If you read the bill (see my post #8), ALL Vermonters not barred from carrying concealed there would be treated as if they had permits, the law is specifically written that way.

[xm177e2]

So would this law mean that anyone, anywhere could carry concealed by virtue of Vermont's laws (or lack of laws)?

No, you would have to be a resident of Vermont to get this benefit.

[GOPyouth]

I don't think the feds should get involved in it at this point. I think it should be a state by state issue. If all it takes to get a permit in state X is to sit in a one hour class and hit the target one time, then I don't think you should be able to carry your gun in a state Y that carries laws that require more training and education.

Now, if I have misread this proposed law, then I apologize. But as for the fed statement, if they are going to get involved and start forcing states to accept permits from other states, I think that they should enforce at least some minimum standard that all states must require in order to get the permit.

[GOPyouth]

Just curious, if you're a male, when you travel do you pee the same from state to state? Stand in one sit in another?

I know my piss can stink sometimes, but my piss isn't going to kill somebody.

[Frohickey]

Doesn't this bill fly in the face of powers retained by the states or the people?

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

...if they are going to get involved and start forcing states to accept permits from other states, I think that they should enforce at least some minimum standard that all states must require in order to get the permit.

Read the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

It is your right to keep and bear arms. You shouldn't even need a permit to do so. This law just makes the Concealed Weapon Permit laws more unified.

[flashbunny]

Doesn't this bill fly in the face of powers retained by the states or the people?

Absolutely not. Remember the 1st and 2nd amendment are the law of the land. 9 & 10 state that any other rights not enumerated belong to the states or the people. The 2nd is enumerated, so it should, in proper application, overrule states rights in this issue.

For instance, a state can't simply say there is no free speech on tuesdays because it wants to. The 1st amendment contradicts and overrules that. If the 2nd amendment is applied as the 1st is, Concealed carry restrictions would be just as irrelevant.

[joesnuffy]

when God given rights are percieved to be state given rights they can easily be taken away

[GOPyouth]

It is your right to keep and bear arms. You shouldn't even need a permit to do so.

Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?

[bigfootbob]

You missed the point. If you carry a weapon in one state, are you going to do something different if you carry when you travel? I think not.

[Henrietta]

"Do you claim that you have the right to walk around carrying a AK-47? Let's say you want to carry around some RPGs and a launcher? That's an arm. Do you think the United States Constitution gives you the right to walk around downtown San Diego (or wherever you live) with one of these weapons?"

Didn't you already bring this up in another thread? You're a law student; go look up Miller and answer this question yourself. Sheesh!

[GOPyouth]

Let me add to my last statement. I'm all for the concealed carry laws. I supported it in my homestate of Texas.

[GOPyouth]

If you carry a weapon in one state, are you going to do something different if you carry when you travel? I think not

I fly when I travel. I can't really carry a gun on planes. :)

[The Grammarian]

Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry either?