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Pedophiles Seek Online Support, Societal Acceptance
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/13/03 | Steve Brown

Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks

(Editor's Note: Contains information some readers may find objectionable.)

(CNSNews.com) - There's something for everyone on the Internet - even for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children.

Some of the websites that "celebrate" adults' love for minor children are very careful to monitor their content so they don't break any laws. Pornographic images, erotic literature and other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites, but advocates for children find them very troubling nevertheless.

At the website Girl Love Garden, pedophiles claim to be on a quest for social acceptance of their sexual preferences. The website celebrates "the emancipation of girls of all ages and 'girl love,' in general."

The website notes that "true emancipation" lies "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul."

The committee's mission statement offers the view that adults who are "naturally, sensuously attracted to little girls and blossoming young women…will achieve full emancipation only by clothing their souls with a childlike personality and agreeing to 'play safe' with each other…"

Here visitors find "an oasis of shade" among the "refreshing waters of reason" where they are invited to "drink deeply of the exquisite delights to be found herein by Girl Lovers everywhere."

But "boy lovers" need not feel left out. At the Free Spirits website, visitors learn that "boylovers have not chosen of their free will to become so."

"It is an attraction most discover within themselves at a very early age," the site explains. "Through no action of their own, they find themselves considered horrible and vile. Most people who are attracted to minors try to live good lives but find no encouragement from a society and a press that labels all people with that attraction, whatever they do or don't do, as evil monsters," the web site says.

Developers of "BoyChat," the chat room at Free Spirits, admit it is not a place where "well-meaning social workers firmly guide people the way they think they ought to go."

BoyChat says it is run "by boylovers for boylovers." It encourages people posting on the website "to work freely through their own issues and questions."

Anonymity

The operators of both the Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden websites are free to express their views because of the anonymity of the Internet. There are many other online sites catering to "MAAs" (minor-attracted adults, which some pedophiles prefer to call themselves).

Such websites claim to advocate for the civil rights and acceptance of "the most underserved and misunderstood sexual minority remaining in today's human society," according to the Free Spirits mission statement.

Along with chat rooms, these sites include members' galleries, where visitors find personal, historical and literary insights on loving children; and message boards where visitors may discuss issues involving the emotional, romantic and sexual relationships between children and adults.

'Legal'

According to Barry Maddox, spokesperson for the FBI's Baltimore, Md., office, the sites are "totally legal." Maddox told CNSNews.com the sites come close to breaking the law but do not break it."They've done their homework," Maddox said.

Pornographic images, literature or any other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites.

"Girl Moments," or stories describing an encounter with a female adolescent that are "tasteful," "well-written," and focus on "friendships or other light-hearted encounters" are welcome at Girl-Love Garden, according to its frequently asked questions (FAQ) section. But it warns visitors not to "include details that evoke a prurient interest in sexual relations.

"Written materials that appear erotic or that advocate or counsel engaging in sexual activity with a minor constitutes a very serious offence" under the criminal codes of Canada, the U.S. and the United Kingdom, the FAQ warns, adding that "your material must be in full compliance with these laws so that when viewed with a prejudicial eye, they could not be seen as openly advocating, counseling, inducing, nor encouraging sexual intimacy with minors."

"We're only interested in those who act upon these impulses," Maddox said. While legal, he added, the sites "do make me sick to my stomach."

Ruben Rodriguez, director of the Exploited Children Unit at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told CNSNews.com that while he likes the Internet, sites such as Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden "have turned sections of it into a sewer."

"Many of these pedophiles act out on their impulses," Rodriguez said. "These kinds of sites are not something I would welcome."

Rodriguez said all the disclaimers and attempts at de-stigmatizing the "deviant sexual behavior" of pedophiles online are "just excuses" for them to "sit in front of a monitor and masturbate." He expressed "disgust" at the notion of society accepting pedophiles as another minority group.

"I see us sometimes going down a different path," Rodriguez said. "I don't see it getting better, I see it getting worse...going in a direction sometimes that just drives me crazy."

Some MAAs claiming to be Christians say they have found comfort at a website called Philia, which provides news and resources to religious support groups for adults who are attracted to minors. Philia, along with the Christian Boylove Forum (CBLF), are for those who "find themselves in the position of having no one to turn to who shares their faith as well as their sexual feelings.

"This (online message) board attempts to fill that gap by providing a friendly, safe place where we can be honest about our feelings and struggles with sexuality and faith, without fear of destructive criticism or harassment," the CBLF site states. "This is a place for mutual encouragement, support and advice as we seek to deal with our sexuality and society's reaction to it in responsible and healthy ways, to live out our lives with integrity and to express our faith in a way that honors God and demonstrates the love of Jesus Christ to all people."

Both sites are run by "Bach" - the screen name used to protect his identity - a boy lover who told CNSNews.com via e-mail that he has never acted upon his feelings and that he found support through a Christian service agency with which he volunteered.

"I am in a committed relationship with another man and have found that I am able to gain some satisfaction with this compromise," Bach wrote. "We discussed the fact that many message boards didn't allow for a Christian boylover to explore his faith in the context of his sexuality. We were often confronted with boylovers who had a strong hatred for the church, and we were constantly defending ourselves. This was the impetus to form the Christian Boylove Forum."

From CBLF sprung "Christian Consultations," "an annual gathering to bring together Christians (and some non-Christians) who are willing to enter into dialogue about adult attraction to minors," according to the Philia website.

"We have had involvement at the Christian Consultation from various pastors, Christian service workers, members of...Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Persons," Bach stated in the e-mail to CNSNews.com. "The goal of these encounters was to provide a non-threatening place for dialogue ...to help break isolation and fear.

"I would hope that Christians could come to accept that minor-attracted adults are not monsters, not sex maniacs, not uncontrolled freaks, but folks who have to live their lives with a desire that is demonized by society and the media to an extent that they are fearful to speak of it to anyone," Bach explained.

Julie Posey, a self-described "cyber-crime fighter" runs the website Pedowatch.org. Posey's website claims that "since 1996, she has passed on hundreds of tips to law enforcement involving child sexual predators who use the Internet as a tool to gain access to children who are later sexually assaulted and in rare instances murdered."

Posey is also the author of They Call Me Kendra, which Pedowatch.org describes as an autobiography of "her life experiences as a sexually abused child and tells how she later became one of the nation's leading experts on child sexual predators."

Kendra was the onscreen name Posey used to trap sexual predators online. She told CNSNews.com that Christian Consultation sounded a lot like prison ministers who work with convicted pedophiles.

"They go into prisons and try to help the families," Posey said. "They say, 'Oh, what your loved one did isn't so wrong...he has a love for boys,' and they try to get them (the family) to accept it. But they're trying to get all of society to just accept it, and it's unacceptable to me."

Posey said sites like Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden are "just working to make their stories sound good.

"I read the North American Man Boy Lovers Association's manifesto one time, and they were like 'sex is actually good for kids,'...well, I can tell you it's not," Posey said. "If society doesn't get a grip right now - and even right now it's going to be difficult, they are definitely going to have the same rights that we have."

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To: jhw61
"but tried passing as straight...much like you."

What does that mean?

141 posted on 06/13/2003 4:21:35 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Frapster
There was a thread a day or so ago about homosexuals taking their sexual partners to the high school proms. I guess the next step will be taking children. Then babies. Then animals. Then corpses. What's left?
142 posted on 06/13/2003 4:21:58 PM PDT by gitmo (Maybe we should just take "The United States of" out of the nation's name.)
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To: gitmo
"I guess the next step will be taking children. Then babies. Then animals. Then corpses. What's left?"

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Luckily, we won't ever get to it.

143 posted on 06/13/2003 4:23:24 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Luckily, we won't ever get to it.

That's what we were told before we got to THIS point.
144 posted on 06/13/2003 4:36:04 PM PDT by gitmo (Maybe we should just take "The United States of" out of the nation's name.)
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To: scripter
those who disagree can only argue against a straw man.

Most of the "homosexual agenda" threads are wall-to-wall scarecrows anyway...you know the familiar "Anyone who has a problem with the normalization of homosexual behavior is constantly screaming 'Gays are going to Hell!' and 'Gays should be put to death!' "

145 posted on 06/13/2003 4:53:55 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Houmatt
I, however, can prove it is in fact a choice by providing a single link.

Silly girl! Read the reviews. The book is about lesbians "coming out" not being created. You really should study your reference materials before citing them and showing your inner demons.

146 posted on 06/13/2003 5:00:46 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: gitmo
"That's what we were told before we got to THIS point."

Well, when it becomes common for kids to bring corpses to the prom, mail me and we'll talk.

I'm willing to bet it never will.

147 posted on 06/13/2003 5:01:25 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
**But are they true homosexuals?**

This is much of the problem that I see in trying to talk about sexual abuse. I'm specifically talking about the sexual abuse of pre-pubescent/pubescent children. Lots of people are complaining that these threads can get way off topic. So I'm sticking to the topic.

Here we go. This is pertaining to both Heterosexual & Homosexual. It's not hypothetical. I'm talking about real people that I know.

Can you see the tragedy of an adult "acting out" the sexual abuse they expierenced whether subliminally or consciously?

Can you understand the agony that family & friends feel when they "know why"?

Can you understand the anger that family & friends express when others say they are being "intolerant" of that person's "lifestyle"? (remember I'm talking about all sexual orientations)

Can you understand the frustration that family & friends feel with "outsiders" who come in to the situation then insist that they love that person more because they "accept" them for who they are?

Can you understand the pain that family & friends go through when that (sexually abused) adult turns to them, knowing they can because of unconditional love, to listen to all their problems only to be undermined by "outsiders" who have their own agenda?

Remember when replying, this is about children that were sexually abused then grew into adulthood taking these problems with them.
This is not about you, homosexuality, sexual liberation or anything but those who are dealing with the repercussions of what everyone here seems to agree is a tragedy.
148 posted on 06/13/2003 5:03:05 PM PDT by kuma
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To: kuma
Can you possibly see my point now of why I percieve there to be more support for girls than boys?
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Yes I can! There is a double standard....
A 14 year old 'has sex' with the lady next door and probably gets a 'nudge nudge, wink wink, atta boy!' from his father...

I do know of these kinda things (like the teacher who had the baby by her 13 year old student!)
149 posted on 06/13/2003 5:11:13 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: tl361
Try the second link in that same post. Yes. I agree they are sexually abused people who need help and without the interference of people who just have an agenda.
150 posted on 06/13/2003 5:11:17 PM PDT by kuma
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To: kattracks; John O; Khepera; EdReform; scripter; pram; Brad's Gramma; Polycarp
Well, I suppose I should thank you for helping me with my diet. In case some of my other friends have weight problems I'll invite them along.

The most amazing thing of all is that the tripe offered up by these Websites looks exactly like what the queers were saying in the '80s.

But acceptance of queers won't lead to acceptance of these sickos. Nope. Nope. That's just a strawman. No need to worry.

Unless you have children. Then there is a need to fight.

Shalom.

151 posted on 06/13/2003 5:13:03 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: NFOShekky
Your grandmother was right.
152 posted on 06/13/2003 5:13:31 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Fifty years from now, when peophelia is accepted as an alternative lifestyle, I wonder what new group will be seeking societal acceptance for their perversion?

I'll give you a hint. 50 years from now decent people will bury their loved ones in unmarked graves.

That's all I'm gonna say on that.

Shalom.

153 posted on 06/13/2003 5:15:44 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Qwerty
People have to realize that the threat is everywhere, and that children need to be watched over constantly. If all you're looking for is a homosexual coming after your kids, then you might be missing the greater threat.

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You got it! It is the person that fits in, that belongs, that you trust....that is why it is so rough on the kids....
It isn't the weird fella down the street that talks to the trees.... it your parent's best buddy from college....
154 posted on 06/13/2003 5:16:55 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Tamsey
The only thing we can really do as citizens

I am so sorry to read what you write, although I am not surprised, but you are only talking about treating the symptom. We opened this door when we accepted free love in the '60s and we aren't going to close it until we repent and beg G-d to have mercy on America.

Whether that mercy would come in the form of America's salvation or her destruction I can't say.

Shalom.

155 posted on 06/13/2003 5:19:48 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: LanPB01
Equating all the homos with pedophilia is just stupid.

Why? Both homosexuality and pedophilia are perverted and immoral. They are very equatable. Why would you call the idea stupid?

Go back and re-read the article. The pedophiles are making exactly the same statements the queers were in the '80s. The arguments hold exactly the same water.

We are born that way. We aren't monsters. We aren't sick. We are misunderstood.

No, you're just sinners who prefer darkness to light.

Shalom.

156 posted on 06/13/2003 5:23:31 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: ffusco
Osama bin laden's last wife was a young teen. Young girls are often given over to old men in the middle east. Some cultures see nothing wrong with enslaving a young women to a multi married man. The same culture sends teens out to blow themselves up in a public setting in order to kill as many people as possible.The United Nations ignores all of it.
157 posted on 06/13/2003 5:24:08 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: LanPB01
but oddly enough, every thread that relates to sex on FreeRepublic ends up with some social conservative screaming how every fault in society is somehow the blame of the queers.

The ones I read don't blame the queers. They blame the people who want to accept being queer as being normal. The queers themselves are sick and in need of treatment. The ones to blame are the ones who refuse to tell them that.

Our sick society isn't the result of the queers. The queers are the result of our sick society.

And the conservatives ahve been warning you for 50 years that it would be so.

Shalom.

158 posted on 06/13/2003 5:28:09 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Houmatt
I think Rush was right.

You don't just support gays anymore, you have to support GBLT. The "T" is for transgendered. The perverts have to band togehter to get the strength in numbers they need.

Shalom.

159 posted on 06/13/2003 5:33:15 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Qwerty
You have no proof of that. Most Freepers who share your opinion will tell you that you can't conclusively claim there is no genetic component.

Until someone comes up with a reliable test to determine if a corpse was gay or straight, the burden of proof is on you.

Gay is a behavior, not a trait, and it is a sick behavior that needs to be changed.

Shalom.

160 posted on 06/13/2003 5:35:44 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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