Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks
(Editor's Note: Contains information some readers may find objectionable.)
(CNSNews.com) - There's something for everyone on the Internet - even for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children.
Some of the websites that "celebrate" adults' love for minor children are very careful to monitor their content so they don't break any laws. Pornographic images, erotic literature and other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites, but advocates for children find them very troubling nevertheless.
At the website Girl Love Garden, pedophiles claim to be on a quest for social acceptance of their sexual preferences. The website celebrates "the emancipation of girls of all ages and 'girl love,' in general."
The website notes that "true emancipation" lies "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul."
The committee's mission statement offers the view that adults who are "naturally, sensuously attracted to little girls and blossoming young women…will achieve full emancipation only by clothing their souls with a childlike personality and agreeing to 'play safe' with each other…"
Here visitors find "an oasis of shade" among the "refreshing waters of reason" where they are invited to "drink deeply of the exquisite delights to be found herein by Girl Lovers everywhere."
But "boy lovers" need not feel left out. At the Free Spirits website, visitors learn that "boylovers have not chosen of their free will to become so."
"It is an attraction most discover within themselves at a very early age," the site explains. "Through no action of their own, they find themselves considered horrible and vile. Most people who are attracted to minors try to live good lives but find no encouragement from a society and a press that labels all people with that attraction, whatever they do or don't do, as evil monsters," the web site says.
Developers of "BoyChat," the chat room at Free Spirits, admit it is not a place where "well-meaning social workers firmly guide people the way they think they ought to go."
BoyChat says it is run "by boylovers for boylovers." It encourages people posting on the website "to work freely through their own issues and questions."
Anonymity
The operators of both the Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden websites are free to express their views because of the anonymity of the Internet. There are many other online sites catering to "MAAs" (minor-attracted adults, which some pedophiles prefer to call themselves).
Such websites claim to advocate for the civil rights and acceptance of "the most underserved and misunderstood sexual minority remaining in today's human society," according to the Free Spirits mission statement.
Along with chat rooms, these sites include members' galleries, where visitors find personal, historical and literary insights on loving children; and message boards where visitors may discuss issues involving the emotional, romantic and sexual relationships between children and adults.
'Legal'
According to Barry Maddox, spokesperson for the FBI's Baltimore, Md., office, the sites are "totally legal." Maddox told CNSNews.com the sites come close to breaking the law but do not break it."They've done their homework," Maddox said.
Pornographic images, literature or any other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites.
"Girl Moments," or stories describing an encounter with a female adolescent that are "tasteful," "well-written," and focus on "friendships or other light-hearted encounters" are welcome at Girl-Love Garden, according to its frequently asked questions (FAQ) section. But it warns visitors not to "include details that evoke a prurient interest in sexual relations.
"Written materials that appear erotic or that advocate or counsel engaging in sexual activity with a minor constitutes a very serious offence" under the criminal codes of Canada, the U.S. and the United Kingdom, the FAQ warns, adding that "your material must be in full compliance with these laws so that when viewed with a prejudicial eye, they could not be seen as openly advocating, counseling, inducing, nor encouraging sexual intimacy with minors."
"We're only interested in those who act upon these impulses," Maddox said. While legal, he added, the sites "do make me sick to my stomach."
Ruben Rodriguez, director of the Exploited Children Unit at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told CNSNews.com that while he likes the Internet, sites such as Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden "have turned sections of it into a sewer."
"Many of these pedophiles act out on their impulses," Rodriguez said. "These kinds of sites are not something I would welcome."
Rodriguez said all the disclaimers and attempts at de-stigmatizing the "deviant sexual behavior" of pedophiles online are "just excuses" for them to "sit in front of a monitor and masturbate." He expressed "disgust" at the notion of society accepting pedophiles as another minority group.
"I see us sometimes going down a different path," Rodriguez said. "I don't see it getting better, I see it getting worse...going in a direction sometimes that just drives me crazy."
Some MAAs claiming to be Christians say they have found comfort at a website called Philia, which provides news and resources to religious support groups for adults who are attracted to minors. Philia, along with the Christian Boylove Forum (CBLF), are for those who "find themselves in the position of having no one to turn to who shares their faith as well as their sexual feelings.
"This (online message) board attempts to fill that gap by providing a friendly, safe place where we can be honest about our feelings and struggles with sexuality and faith, without fear of destructive criticism or harassment," the CBLF site states. "This is a place for mutual encouragement, support and advice as we seek to deal with our sexuality and society's reaction to it in responsible and healthy ways, to live out our lives with integrity and to express our faith in a way that honors God and demonstrates the love of Jesus Christ to all people."
Both sites are run by "Bach" - the screen name used to protect his identity - a boy lover who told CNSNews.com via e-mail that he has never acted upon his feelings and that he found support through a Christian service agency with which he volunteered.
"I am in a committed relationship with another man and have found that I am able to gain some satisfaction with this compromise," Bach wrote. "We discussed the fact that many message boards didn't allow for a Christian boylover to explore his faith in the context of his sexuality. We were often confronted with boylovers who had a strong hatred for the church, and we were constantly defending ourselves. This was the impetus to form the Christian Boylove Forum."
From CBLF sprung "Christian Consultations," "an annual gathering to bring together Christians (and some non-Christians) who are willing to enter into dialogue about adult attraction to minors," according to the Philia website.
"We have had involvement at the Christian Consultation from various pastors, Christian service workers, members of...Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Persons," Bach stated in the e-mail to CNSNews.com. "The goal of these encounters was to provide a non-threatening place for dialogue ...to help break isolation and fear.
"I would hope that Christians could come to accept that minor-attracted adults are not monsters, not sex maniacs, not uncontrolled freaks, but folks who have to live their lives with a desire that is demonized by society and the media to an extent that they are fearful to speak of it to anyone," Bach explained.
Julie Posey, a self-described "cyber-crime fighter" runs the website Pedowatch.org. Posey's website claims that "since 1996, she has passed on hundreds of tips to law enforcement involving child sexual predators who use the Internet as a tool to gain access to children who are later sexually assaulted and in rare instances murdered."
Posey is also the author of They Call Me Kendra, which Pedowatch.org describes as an autobiography of "her life experiences as a sexually abused child and tells how she later became one of the nation's leading experts on child sexual predators."
Kendra was the onscreen name Posey used to trap sexual predators online. She told CNSNews.com that Christian Consultation sounded a lot like prison ministers who work with convicted pedophiles.
"They go into prisons and try to help the families," Posey said. "They say, 'Oh, what your loved one did isn't so wrong...he has a love for boys,' and they try to get them (the family) to accept it. But they're trying to get all of society to just accept it, and it's unacceptable to me."
Posey said sites like Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden are "just working to make their stories sound good.
"I read the North American Man Boy Lovers Association's manifesto one time, and they were like 'sex is actually good for kids,'...well, I can tell you it's not," Posey said. "If society doesn't get a grip right now - and even right now it's going to be difficult, they are definitely going to have the same rights that we have."
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That's right. I've pointed Qwerty to a number of websites that state thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle, but Qwerty refuses to believe it's true. Why? Well, if folks can change then it's a behavior, and unfortunately, Qwerty has too many folks telling him/her it's okay to be gay. And it's easier for gays to believe a comfortable lie than the truth, and that's sad.
This is why the Homosexual agenda needed to be fought. Because this is where it was always meant to lead.
These people merely used homosexuality as the first of the "taboos" to break down society. It was calculated from the very beginning.
Now you watch...you watch and see (above) what is coming down the pike now that the flood gates of deviancy and perversity have been opened wide (no pun).
This is only the beginning. There is no end to the left's depravity.
You are right to the extent that all evil is equatable. Given that, you might want to consider that homosexuality, pedophilia and bigotry are all equitable evils.
Hardly. Pedophiles endanger minors. Of course many here seem to think that if gays have rights or legal standing that pedophiles will logically follow. There is no logic to that since, again, we are talking about protecting minors.
I have been a guy all of my life. Just ask my wife.
The book is about lesbians "coming out" not being created.
And yet, it is called So You Want To Be A Lesbian. Want To Be implies choice. And if it was only about "coming out", it would been called, So You Want To Come Out As A Lesbian, or something similar.
Common sense can be your friend.
You really should study your reference materials before citing them and showing your inner demons.
Now just what exactly are you implying here?
Thank you for finally admitting that.
The purpose of the conference was to discuss sexuality.
It was more than that.
Oh it's so BLATANT, the humorous title of the book... it must be proof of recruitment!
I never said it was. I said the book's title is indicative on how it is about choice.
In 1972, when the homosexual activists first got together for a big meeting to decide on their political goals (probably described in "And the Band Played On" - the book scripter has put links to elsewhere), one of their demands was ABOLITION of age of consent laws. Then they realized that wasn't going to go over yet, so the decided to do it incrementally.
Getting homosexualists into the professions, especially academia, was part of the plan, to gradually normalize sexual exploitation of children.
What do you mean by bigotry? By bigotry do you mean thinking negatively about promoting same sex acts or sex acts with children? If this is what you mean by bigotry, you are consciously lying and being dishonest. You would have fit right in with Stalinist Russia where dissidents and believers in God were incarcerated in mental institutions. Thought police.
While I have the book And the Band Played On by Shilts, that's not the book I've recently linked to. That book was After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Anybody can read an accurate summary of the book if they're interested. Both books are excellent reads.
He probably means anybody who tells the truth about homosexuality is a bigot. That's a standard attempt at misdirection from gays and gay proponents. Whether or not they purposely engange in such tactics I don't know. Many have been so desensitized, manipulated and used they may not know themselves.
It is common knowledge here on FR (and you know this, maxwell) that approximately 35-40% (ROUGHLY) of child molestations are same sex. Remedy posted a lot of information about this. The posters here who scream that being "gay" and being a pedophile are unrelated have yet to post any figures that contradict this. They can't. They must therefore think that molesting children and adolescents is fine. Qwerty can claim all she likes that she condemns child molesting. But she can't come up with any figures which contradict the ones available on FR - that prove that homosexuals are much more likely to molest children and adolescents than are heterosexuals.
I apologize for the gender confusion.
Common sense can be your friend.
Common sense says do not judge a book by its cover. You read the title and made assumptions. Assumptions you could have disqualified if you read the reviews.
Now just what exactly are you implying here?
What I sense from you posting may not be true. I did, after all, get your gender wrong. In the final judgement, your demons are between you and God.
bigot
1) One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
2)A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
bigotry
1)The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
2) The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning attachment of one's own belief and opinions, with narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.
3) The intolerance and prejudice of a bigot
(Source: www.dictionary.com)
This may be what you're looking for:
Homosexuality and child molestation: the link, the likelihood, the lasting effectsMy database on this issue is out of date and in serious need of being rewritten. In time...
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement
Gay Foster Parents More Apt to Molest
Sexual perversion is sexual perversion. Legitimizing one opens the door to legitimizing the other.
Fair description of the gay activist brigade.
No, it isn't. I'm not the one making claims about whether or not there is a genetic component. The burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim.
"Gay is a behavior, not a trait, and it is a sick behavior that needs to be changed."
So men who lust after men but do nothing about it are straight? Interesting.
The rest of that sentence is your opinion, and I disagree.
If you could read, you'd know I said that before you even posted to me.
As for "fistgate", that whole thing is ridiculous, and if I'm not mistaken Camenker and Whitman are being sued for illegally taping the PRIVATE conference.
As far as your humorous book is concerned.. it proves nothing except that you'll stretch all credibility to make a silly point.
Wow. Homosexuals are so clever. No wonder the Illuminati were no match for us.
"I've pointed Qwerty to a number of websites that state thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle, but Qwerty refuses to believe it's true."
We could go around about this again, but you'd only fling more links. Thousands SAY they left the lifestyle, but how many continue to fantasize about gay sex? How many are actually "gay" to begin with?
"Well, if folks can change then it's a behavior, and unfortunately, Qwerty has too many folks telling him/her it's okay to be gay."
That's silly, since it isn't just sex it is also attraction. You always focus on the sex.
And hey.. in my life, it's not only ok to be gay, it's perfect.
"And it's easier for gays to believe a comfortable lie than the truth, and that's sad."
Do you think maybe comfortable lies might be easier to believe for you as well?
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