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Pedophiles Seek Online Support, Societal Acceptance
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/13/03 | Steve Brown

Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks

(Editor's Note: Contains information some readers may find objectionable.)

(CNSNews.com) - There's something for everyone on the Internet - even for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children.

Some of the websites that "celebrate" adults' love for minor children are very careful to monitor their content so they don't break any laws. Pornographic images, erotic literature and other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites, but advocates for children find them very troubling nevertheless.

At the website Girl Love Garden, pedophiles claim to be on a quest for social acceptance of their sexual preferences. The website celebrates "the emancipation of girls of all ages and 'girl love,' in general."

The website notes that "true emancipation" lies "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul."

The committee's mission statement offers the view that adults who are "naturally, sensuously attracted to little girls and blossoming young women…will achieve full emancipation only by clothing their souls with a childlike personality and agreeing to 'play safe' with each other…"

Here visitors find "an oasis of shade" among the "refreshing waters of reason" where they are invited to "drink deeply of the exquisite delights to be found herein by Girl Lovers everywhere."

But "boy lovers" need not feel left out. At the Free Spirits website, visitors learn that "boylovers have not chosen of their free will to become so."

"It is an attraction most discover within themselves at a very early age," the site explains. "Through no action of their own, they find themselves considered horrible and vile. Most people who are attracted to minors try to live good lives but find no encouragement from a society and a press that labels all people with that attraction, whatever they do or don't do, as evil monsters," the web site says.

Developers of "BoyChat," the chat room at Free Spirits, admit it is not a place where "well-meaning social workers firmly guide people the way they think they ought to go."

BoyChat says it is run "by boylovers for boylovers." It encourages people posting on the website "to work freely through their own issues and questions."

Anonymity

The operators of both the Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden websites are free to express their views because of the anonymity of the Internet. There are many other online sites catering to "MAAs" (minor-attracted adults, which some pedophiles prefer to call themselves).

Such websites claim to advocate for the civil rights and acceptance of "the most underserved and misunderstood sexual minority remaining in today's human society," according to the Free Spirits mission statement.

Along with chat rooms, these sites include members' galleries, where visitors find personal, historical and literary insights on loving children; and message boards where visitors may discuss issues involving the emotional, romantic and sexual relationships between children and adults.

'Legal'

According to Barry Maddox, spokesperson for the FBI's Baltimore, Md., office, the sites are "totally legal." Maddox told CNSNews.com the sites come close to breaking the law but do not break it."They've done their homework," Maddox said.

Pornographic images, literature or any other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites.

"Girl Moments," or stories describing an encounter with a female adolescent that are "tasteful," "well-written," and focus on "friendships or other light-hearted encounters" are welcome at Girl-Love Garden, according to its frequently asked questions (FAQ) section. But it warns visitors not to "include details that evoke a prurient interest in sexual relations.

"Written materials that appear erotic or that advocate or counsel engaging in sexual activity with a minor constitutes a very serious offence" under the criminal codes of Canada, the U.S. and the United Kingdom, the FAQ warns, adding that "your material must be in full compliance with these laws so that when viewed with a prejudicial eye, they could not be seen as openly advocating, counseling, inducing, nor encouraging sexual intimacy with minors."

"We're only interested in those who act upon these impulses," Maddox said. While legal, he added, the sites "do make me sick to my stomach."

Ruben Rodriguez, director of the Exploited Children Unit at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told CNSNews.com that while he likes the Internet, sites such as Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden "have turned sections of it into a sewer."

"Many of these pedophiles act out on their impulses," Rodriguez said. "These kinds of sites are not something I would welcome."

Rodriguez said all the disclaimers and attempts at de-stigmatizing the "deviant sexual behavior" of pedophiles online are "just excuses" for them to "sit in front of a monitor and masturbate." He expressed "disgust" at the notion of society accepting pedophiles as another minority group.

"I see us sometimes going down a different path," Rodriguez said. "I don't see it getting better, I see it getting worse...going in a direction sometimes that just drives me crazy."

Some MAAs claiming to be Christians say they have found comfort at a website called Philia, which provides news and resources to religious support groups for adults who are attracted to minors. Philia, along with the Christian Boylove Forum (CBLF), are for those who "find themselves in the position of having no one to turn to who shares their faith as well as their sexual feelings.

"This (online message) board attempts to fill that gap by providing a friendly, safe place where we can be honest about our feelings and struggles with sexuality and faith, without fear of destructive criticism or harassment," the CBLF site states. "This is a place for mutual encouragement, support and advice as we seek to deal with our sexuality and society's reaction to it in responsible and healthy ways, to live out our lives with integrity and to express our faith in a way that honors God and demonstrates the love of Jesus Christ to all people."

Both sites are run by "Bach" - the screen name used to protect his identity - a boy lover who told CNSNews.com via e-mail that he has never acted upon his feelings and that he found support through a Christian service agency with which he volunteered.

"I am in a committed relationship with another man and have found that I am able to gain some satisfaction with this compromise," Bach wrote. "We discussed the fact that many message boards didn't allow for a Christian boylover to explore his faith in the context of his sexuality. We were often confronted with boylovers who had a strong hatred for the church, and we were constantly defending ourselves. This was the impetus to form the Christian Boylove Forum."

From CBLF sprung "Christian Consultations," "an annual gathering to bring together Christians (and some non-Christians) who are willing to enter into dialogue about adult attraction to minors," according to the Philia website.

"We have had involvement at the Christian Consultation from various pastors, Christian service workers, members of...Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Persons," Bach stated in the e-mail to CNSNews.com. "The goal of these encounters was to provide a non-threatening place for dialogue ...to help break isolation and fear.

"I would hope that Christians could come to accept that minor-attracted adults are not monsters, not sex maniacs, not uncontrolled freaks, but folks who have to live their lives with a desire that is demonized by society and the media to an extent that they are fearful to speak of it to anyone," Bach explained.

Julie Posey, a self-described "cyber-crime fighter" runs the website Pedowatch.org. Posey's website claims that "since 1996, she has passed on hundreds of tips to law enforcement involving child sexual predators who use the Internet as a tool to gain access to children who are later sexually assaulted and in rare instances murdered."

Posey is also the author of They Call Me Kendra, which Pedowatch.org describes as an autobiography of "her life experiences as a sexually abused child and tells how she later became one of the nation's leading experts on child sexual predators."

Kendra was the onscreen name Posey used to trap sexual predators online. She told CNSNews.com that Christian Consultation sounded a lot like prison ministers who work with convicted pedophiles.

"They go into prisons and try to help the families," Posey said. "They say, 'Oh, what your loved one did isn't so wrong...he has a love for boys,' and they try to get them (the family) to accept it. But they're trying to get all of society to just accept it, and it's unacceptable to me."

Posey said sites like Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden are "just working to make their stories sound good.

"I read the North American Man Boy Lovers Association's manifesto one time, and they were like 'sex is actually good for kids,'...well, I can tell you it's not," Posey said. "If society doesn't get a grip right now - and even right now it's going to be difficult, they are definitely going to have the same rights that we have."

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To: GrandMoM
....let's see how many FR posters that defend homosexuals, and dispute any connection to the vile NAMBLA or BUTTERFLY KISSES surface and PROCLAIM THEIR OPPOSITION and REPULSION for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children. ....I'm WAITING!

GEE!.... more than Five minutes later and still no familar voices from the gay is good crowd! Gee, the voice of silence is deafening!

41 posted on 06/13/2003 9:53:08 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: scripter
BUMP see post #35!
42 posted on 06/13/2003 9:54:49 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: GrandMoM
....I'm WAITING!

Whatever floats your boat.

43 posted on 06/13/2003 10:00:58 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: GrandMoM
Are you still waiting? Still haning on? You must really be obsessed with homos, lady. Here's my message - you're an idiot. Homosexual pedophiles, as well as hetero, should be taken out and shot. Equating all the homos with pedophilia is just stupid. It's as stupid as equating pedophilia with Catholicism.
44 posted on 06/13/2003 10:01:59 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: GrandMoM
As I see it, to stay true to the gay agenda, gays and gay proponents will appear to distance themselves from groups that may hurt their cause. As documented in After the Ball, How America will Conquer its Fear & Hatred of Gays in the 90s by Kirk and Madsen, they write on page 182:
Because our movement must first grow stronger before it can help its still weaker friends, we recommend a rule for public alliance that is tough and selfish. But that rule doesn't favor insularity: the movement should eagerly ally itself with large , mainstream groups that can actually advance our interests (e.g., the Democratic P arty, the National Organization for Women, or the Presbyterian Church). But even then, we should demand to see some major public demonstration of their commitment to our cause before we rush to commit to theirs.

Unless and until such bold alliances materialize, however, the bottom line remains: be focused in your efforts to reach the public via mass media. In the minds of straights, we must be gay people, not leftists or whales. So talk, talk, talk about gay rights, and leave it at that. (Feel free to agitate for any other cause you like, of course, but do so while wearing another hat.) And downplay any support from outgroups whose very names are likely to arouse suspicion and antipathy. Otherwise, desensitization will be all the harder to achieve.


45 posted on 06/13/2003 10:05:15 AM PDT by scripter
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To: LanPB01
Are, or are not, homosexuals over-represented in the pedophile set?
46 posted on 06/13/2003 10:08:36 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
I don't know if they are or not. For every study I see claiming they are, I see a couple saying they aren't. Regardless, it's lazy thinking to lump all homos together due to the fact that some of them are pedophiles.
47 posted on 06/13/2003 10:13:33 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: scripter
And downplay any support from outgroups whose very names are likely to arouse suspicion and antipathy. Otherwise, desensitization will be all the harder to achieve. ....and that is quite obvious what the pro gay posters here on FR are doing, isn't it!

Here is their chance to rise up to the occasion and prove to us they weren't lying!

Let's here some oppositon to these child raping animals from the pro gay poster!!!

48 posted on 06/13/2003 10:17:23 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: LanPB01
Are you still waiting? Still haning on? You must really be obsessed with homos, lady. Here's my message - you're an idiot. Homosexual pedophiles, as well as hetero, should be taken out and shot.....am I? Most pro-gay posters voiced no interest in NAMBLA, BUTTERFLY KISSES, but funny thing is, they never show up on these threads to voice their repulsion!

Equating all the homos with pedophilia is just stupid. It's as stupid as equating pedophilia with Catholicism. ....you want to show me where I equated all homos with pedophilia? All I want is to really hear them denounce the child loving crowd as they proclaim they do! Here is their chance!

....Oh and....BACK OFF BOZO!

49 posted on 06/13/2003 10:41:49 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: LanPB01
I don't know if they are or not. For every study I see claiming they are, I see a couple saying they aren't. Regardless, it's lazy thinking to lump all homos together due to the fact that some of them are pedophiles.

Since you brought up the Catholic Church, I don't suppose you could explain how a full 90% of the sex abuse incidents in the Catholic Church involved men on boys.

A bitter harvest of omnisexual freaks is the whirlwind we are reaping from sowing the sexual wind in the 1960s and 1970s. That said, if anyone ever touches my kids, they won't make it to trial.
50 posted on 06/13/2003 10:42:20 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Jeff Gordon
Whatever floats your boat. ....so when are you graduating from pre-school?????
51 posted on 06/13/2003 10:48:00 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: Antoninus
"I don't suppose you could explain how a full 90% of the sex abuse incidents in the Catholic Church involved men on boys."

No, I can't. I don't think it's particularly relevant, either. I'm not about to blame Catholicism for the sex abuse, nor am I about to blame homosexuality. I blame pedophiles.
52 posted on 06/13/2003 10:52:30 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: GrandMoM
These "pro-gay" posters you're referring to (and I'm certainly not aware of any "pro-gay" group; maybe a group that doesn't care about homos, maybe) probably don't show up to discuss a thread about pedophiles because they don't have a reason to. They don't automatically equate homos with pedophilia, as you apparently do.
53 posted on 06/13/2003 10:55:33 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: GrandMoM
It never fails. Conservatives warned years ago about normalizing homosexuality, as normalizing something based on a behavior (and a sexual behavior at that), is just plain ignorant. For those who don't get it, think about it.

Yet if society continues to normalize behaviors we will eventually come to a point when pedophiles, based on their behaviour, want the behavior normalized. Well, we've reached that point. So when conservatives point this out, gays and gay proponents miss the point entirely and argue a straw man argument. That being, most homosexuals are not pedophiles.

That's not the argument. Conservatives have always warned that normalizing something based on behavior is wrong. Now that we've reached that point, those who disagree can only argue against a straw man.

54 posted on 06/13/2003 10:56:40 AM PDT by scripter
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To: LanPB01
Demanding public acceptance of queers is just the first step in de-sensitizing society to all of these other abhorrent, morally depraved and anti-social perversions.

But, it ain't worth getting all het-up over. The fags have won. We're too far over the edge of that slippery slope to change anything now. Enjoy.

;-/

55 posted on 06/13/2003 11:01:03 AM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: LanPB01
Well some of us do have reason to discuss pedophiles. Do you have children, grandchildren? Couple of comments regarding you profile...
forcing a woman to carry a child....o'h yes, so terrible...nine months out of your whole life. Maybe if they gave it a try, they'd see how great the experience was. BTW, Women who become pregnant from rape make up a very small percentage and I don't necessarily believe that being raped and becoming pregnant from the horror = automatic abortion.

You're a twinkie in the world.

56 posted on 06/13/2003 11:03:04 AM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61
Then go talk about the pedophiles. This thread should actually BE about pedophiles, but oddly enough, every thread that relates to sex on FreeRepublic ends up with some social conservative screaming how every fault in society is somehow the blame of the queers. And save your analysis of profiles for someone that gives a damn, cause I don't.
57 posted on 06/13/2003 11:11:33 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: GrandMoM
"....let's see how many FR posters that defend homosexuals, and dispute any connection to the vile NAMBLA or BUTTERFLY KISSES surface and PROCLAIM THEIR OPPOSITION and REPULSION for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children."

I defend homosexuals, dispute connection to Nambla or Butterfly Kisses, and proclaim opposition and repulsion for pedophiles who seek acceptance for their fixation on children.

So?

58 posted on 06/13/2003 11:40:20 AM PDT by Qwerty (Breakin' the LAW, Breakin the LAW!)
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To: GrandMoM
"Let's here some oppositon to these child raping animals from the pro gay poster!!!"

When have you ever seen ANY Freeper support pedophilia? For that matter, have you ever heard anyone anywhere support it?

59 posted on 06/13/2003 11:42:43 AM PDT by Qwerty (Breakin' the LAW, Breakin the LAW!)
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To: LanPB01
LanPBo1 Since Jan 30, 2003

....you might want refrain from making SHORTSIGHTED remarks like this; I'm certainly not aware of any "pro-gay" until your here for a while NEWBIE!

60 posted on 06/13/2003 11:44:08 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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