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Pedophiles Seek Online Support, Societal Acceptance
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/13/03 | Steve Brown

Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: kattracks; John O; Khepera; EdReform; scripter; pram; Brad's Gramma; Polycarp
Well, I suppose I should thank you for helping me with my diet. In case some of my other friends have weight problems I'll invite them along.

The most amazing thing of all is that the tripe offered up by these Websites looks exactly like what the queers were saying in the '80s.

But acceptance of queers won't lead to acceptance of these sickos. Nope. Nope. That's just a strawman. No need to worry.

Unless you have children. Then there is a need to fight.

Shalom.

151 posted on 06/13/2003 5:13:03 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: NFOShekky
Your grandmother was right.
152 posted on 06/13/2003 5:13:31 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Fifty years from now, when peophelia is accepted as an alternative lifestyle, I wonder what new group will be seeking societal acceptance for their perversion?

I'll give you a hint. 50 years from now decent people will bury their loved ones in unmarked graves.

That's all I'm gonna say on that.

Shalom.

153 posted on 06/13/2003 5:15:44 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Qwerty
People have to realize that the threat is everywhere, and that children need to be watched over constantly. If all you're looking for is a homosexual coming after your kids, then you might be missing the greater threat.

______

You got it! It is the person that fits in, that belongs, that you trust....that is why it is so rough on the kids....
It isn't the weird fella down the street that talks to the trees.... it your parent's best buddy from college....
154 posted on 06/13/2003 5:16:55 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Tamsey
The only thing we can really do as citizens

I am so sorry to read what you write, although I am not surprised, but you are only talking about treating the symptom. We opened this door when we accepted free love in the '60s and we aren't going to close it until we repent and beg G-d to have mercy on America.

Whether that mercy would come in the form of America's salvation or her destruction I can't say.

Shalom.

155 posted on 06/13/2003 5:19:48 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: LanPB01
Equating all the homos with pedophilia is just stupid.

Why? Both homosexuality and pedophilia are perverted and immoral. They are very equatable. Why would you call the idea stupid?

Go back and re-read the article. The pedophiles are making exactly the same statements the queers were in the '80s. The arguments hold exactly the same water.

We are born that way. We aren't monsters. We aren't sick. We are misunderstood.

No, you're just sinners who prefer darkness to light.

Shalom.

156 posted on 06/13/2003 5:23:31 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: ffusco
Osama bin laden's last wife was a young teen. Young girls are often given over to old men in the middle east. Some cultures see nothing wrong with enslaving a young women to a multi married man. The same culture sends teens out to blow themselves up in a public setting in order to kill as many people as possible.The United Nations ignores all of it.
157 posted on 06/13/2003 5:24:08 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: LanPB01
but oddly enough, every thread that relates to sex on FreeRepublic ends up with some social conservative screaming how every fault in society is somehow the blame of the queers.

The ones I read don't blame the queers. They blame the people who want to accept being queer as being normal. The queers themselves are sick and in need of treatment. The ones to blame are the ones who refuse to tell them that.

Our sick society isn't the result of the queers. The queers are the result of our sick society.

And the conservatives ahve been warning you for 50 years that it would be so.

Shalom.

158 posted on 06/13/2003 5:28:09 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Houmatt
I think Rush was right.

You don't just support gays anymore, you have to support GBLT. The "T" is for transgendered. The perverts have to band togehter to get the strength in numbers they need.

Shalom.

159 posted on 06/13/2003 5:33:15 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Qwerty
You have no proof of that. Most Freepers who share your opinion will tell you that you can't conclusively claim there is no genetic component.

Until someone comes up with a reliable test to determine if a corpse was gay or straight, the burden of proof is on you.

Gay is a behavior, not a trait, and it is a sick behavior that needs to be changed.

Shalom.

160 posted on 06/13/2003 5:35:44 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: ArGee
Gay is a behavior, not a trait

That's right. I've pointed Qwerty to a number of websites that state thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle, but Qwerty refuses to believe it's true. Why? Well, if folks can change then it's a behavior, and unfortunately, Qwerty has too many folks telling him/her it's okay to be gay. And it's easier for gays to believe a comfortable lie than the truth, and that's sad.

161 posted on 06/13/2003 7:22:07 PM PDT by scripter
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To: kattracks
I have told people...over and over...that this is part of the perverted left's agenda.

This is why the Homosexual agenda needed to be fought. Because this is where it was always meant to lead.

These people merely used homosexuality as the first of the "taboos" to break down society. It was calculated from the very beginning.

Now you watch...you watch and see (above) what is coming down the pike now that the flood gates of deviancy and perversity have been opened wide (no pun).

This is only the beginning. There is no end to the left's depravity.

162 posted on 06/13/2003 7:29:40 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: ArGee
Both homosexuality and pedophilia are perverted and immoral. They are very equatable.

You are right to the extent that all evil is equatable. Given that, you might want to consider that homosexuality, pedophilia and bigotry are all equitable evils.

163 posted on 06/13/2003 7:36:31 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: ArGee
The pedophiles are making exactly the same statements the queers were in the '80s. The arguments hold exactly the same water.

Hardly. Pedophiles endanger minors. Of course many here seem to think that if gays have rights or legal standing that pedophiles will logically follow. There is no logic to that since, again, we are talking about protecting minors.

164 posted on 06/13/2003 7:38:19 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Jeff Gordon
Silly girl!

I have been a guy all of my life. Just ask my wife.

The book is about lesbians "coming out" not being created.

And yet, it is called So You Want To Be A Lesbian. Want To Be implies choice. And if it was only about "coming out", it would been called, So You Want To Come Out As A Lesbian, or something similar.

Common sense can be your friend.

You really should study your reference materials before citing them and showing your inner demons.

Now just what exactly are you implying here?

165 posted on 06/13/2003 7:57:09 PM PDT by Houmatt (Remember Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising!)
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To: Qwerty
I have no idea why people turn out to be homosexual.

Thank you for finally admitting that.

The purpose of the conference was to discuss sexuality.

It was more than that.

Oh it's so BLATANT, the humorous title of the book... it must be proof of recruitment!

I never said it was. I said the book's title is indicative on how it is about choice.

166 posted on 06/13/2003 8:21:19 PM PDT by Houmatt (Remember Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising!)
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
Because this is where it was always meant to lead.

In 1972, when the homosexual activists first got together for a big meeting to decide on their political goals (probably described in "And the Band Played On" - the book scripter has put links to elsewhere), one of their demands was ABOLITION of age of consent laws. Then they realized that wasn't going to go over yet, so the decided to do it incrementally.

Getting homosexualists into the professions, especially academia, was part of the plan, to gradually normalize sexual exploitation of children.

167 posted on 06/13/2003 8:23:02 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Jeff Gordon
Given that, you might want to consider that homosexuality, pedophilia and bigotry are all equitable evils.

What do you mean by bigotry? By bigotry do you mean thinking negatively about promoting same sex acts or sex acts with children? If this is what you mean by bigotry, you are consciously lying and being dishonest. You would have fit right in with Stalinist Russia where dissidents and believers in God were incarcerated in mental institutions. Thought police.

168 posted on 06/13/2003 8:30:31 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
In 1972, when the homosexual activists first got together for a big meeting to decide on their political goals (probably described in "And the Band Played On" - the book scripter has put links to elsewhere), one of their demands was ABOLITION of age of consent laws.

While I have the book And the Band Played On by Shilts, that's not the book I've recently linked to. That book was After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Anybody can read an accurate summary of the book if they're interested. Both books are excellent reads.

169 posted on 06/13/2003 8:43:09 PM PDT by scripter
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To: pram
What do you mean by bigotry? By bigotry do you mean thinking negatively about promoting same sex acts or sex acts with children? If this is what you mean by bigotry, you are consciously lying and being dishonest.

He probably means anybody who tells the truth about homosexuality is a bigot. That's a standard attempt at misdirection from gays and gay proponents. Whether or not they purposely engange in such tactics I don't know. Many have been so desensitized, manipulated and used they may not know themselves.

170 posted on 06/13/2003 8:48:42 PM PDT by scripter
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To: LanPB01; maxwell
Are, or are not, homosexuals over-represented in the pedophile set?

It is common knowledge here on FR (and you know this, maxwell) that approximately 35-40% (ROUGHLY) of child molestations are same sex. Remedy posted a lot of information about this. The posters here who scream that being "gay" and being a pedophile are unrelated have yet to post any figures that contradict this. They can't. They must therefore think that molesting children and adolescents is fine. Qwerty can claim all she likes that she condemns child molesting. But she can't come up with any figures which contradict the ones available on FR - that prove that homosexuals are much more likely to molest children and adolescents than are heterosexuals.

171 posted on 06/13/2003 9:01:07 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Houmatt
I have been a guy all of my life. Just ask my wife.

I apologize for the gender confusion.

Common sense can be your friend.

Common sense says do not judge a book by its cover. You read the title and made assumptions. Assumptions you could have disqualified if you read the reviews.

Now just what exactly are you implying here?

What I sense from you posting may not be true. I did, after all, get your gender wrong. In the final judgement, your demons are between you and God.

172 posted on 06/13/2003 9:01:56 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: pram
What do you mean by bigotry?

bigot

1) One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
2)A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.

bigotry

1)The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
2) The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning attachment of one's own belief and opinions, with narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.
3) The intolerance and prejudice of a bigot

(Source: www.dictionary.com)

173 posted on 06/13/2003 9:21:15 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: pram
It is common knowledge here on FR (and you know this, maxwell) that approximately 35-40% (ROUGHLY) of child molestations are same sex. Remedy posted a lot of information about this.

This may be what you're looking for:

Homosexuality and child molestation: the link, the likelihood, the lasting effects
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement
Gay Foster Parents More Apt to Molest
My database on this issue is out of date and in serious need of being rewritten. In time...
174 posted on 06/13/2003 10:31:01 PM PDT by scripter
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To: LanPB01
Regardless, it's lazy thinking to lump all homos together due to the fact that some of them are pedophiles.

Sexual perversion is sexual perversion. Legitimizing one opens the door to legitimizing the other.

175 posted on 06/13/2003 10:41:08 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Jeff Gordon
1) One who is strongly partial to one's own group, . . . or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. 2)A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.

Fair description of the gay activist brigade.

176 posted on 06/13/2003 10:43:18 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: ArGee
"Until someone comes up with a reliable test to determine if a corpse was gay or straight, the burden of proof is on you."

No, it isn't. I'm not the one making claims about whether or not there is a genetic component. The burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim.

"Gay is a behavior, not a trait, and it is a sick behavior that needs to be changed."

So men who lust after men but do nothing about it are straight? Interesting.

The rest of that sentence is your opinion, and I disagree.

177 posted on 06/13/2003 11:48:32 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Houmatt
I have no idea why people turn out to be homosexual. "Thank you for finally admitting that."

If you could read, you'd know I said that before you even posted to me.

As for "fistgate", that whole thing is ridiculous, and if I'm not mistaken Camenker and Whitman are being sued for illegally taping the PRIVATE conference.

As far as your humorous book is concerned.. it proves nothing except that you'll stretch all credibility to make a silly point.

178 posted on 06/13/2003 11:54:28 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: pram
"Getting homosexualists into the professions, especially academia, was part of the plan, to gradually normalize sexual exploitation of children."

Wow. Homosexuals are so clever. No wonder the Illuminati were no match for us.

179 posted on 06/14/2003 12:00:33 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: scripter
Do me a favor and ping me when you talk about me.. and in this post you say my name 3 times.

"I've pointed Qwerty to a number of websites that state thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle, but Qwerty refuses to believe it's true."

We could go around about this again, but you'd only fling more links. Thousands SAY they left the lifestyle, but how many continue to fantasize about gay sex? How many are actually "gay" to begin with?

"Well, if folks can change then it's a behavior, and unfortunately, Qwerty has too many folks telling him/her it's okay to be gay."

That's silly, since it isn't just sex it is also attraction. You always focus on the sex.

And hey.. in my life, it's not only ok to be gay, it's perfect.

"And it's easier for gays to believe a comfortable lie than the truth, and that's sad."

Do you think maybe comfortable lies might be easier to believe for you as well?

180 posted on 06/14/2003 12:10:58 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
There is an element of choice, and an element that's obviously not choice. Lusting after the same sex obviously isn't a choice, but acting on that lust most certainly is. I'm inclined to believe that homosexuality is a mental disease that is very difficult to cure. There are plenty who just simply stop acting on their desire (for the same sex), but the underlying disease (of lusting after them) is still present.
181 posted on 06/14/2003 12:13:19 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
"Lusting after the same sex obviously isn't a choice, but acting on that lust most certainly is."

I've made that point 294857 times, but people still insist homosexuality is "behavior". It isn't.

"There are plenty who just simply stop acting on their desire (for the same sex), but the underlying disease (of lusting after them) is still present."

I disagree with the "disease" part, but other than that I think you're probably correct.

182 posted on 06/14/2003 12:48:42 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Kevin Curry
Fair description of the gay activist brigade.

Yes. There are bigots on both sides of the gay issue. No matter which side the bigot is on, the bigotry is equally evil.

183 posted on 06/14/2003 4:40:47 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Kevin Curry; LanPB01
Regardless, it's lazy thinking to lump all homos together due to the fact that some of them are pedophiles.

No, it's reasonable thinking, since (if you check in scripter's links above and my reference to them) a MUCH larger perecentage of child molestations are committed by homosexuals than by heterosexuals. I don't mean the majority of molestations are same sex, but the numbers are roughly one third (depending on the study) and homosexuals are only about 2% if the population.

184 posted on 06/14/2003 6:02:45 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Jeff Gordon
So you're saying someone who is intolerant or narrow minded is as evil as someone who is a pedophile. Either you don't mean it and you're being childish, or you do mean it and you're seriously mentally disturbed.
185 posted on 06/14/2003 6:05:12 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Qwerty
"Getting homosexualists into the professions, especially academia, was part of the plan, to gradually normalize sexual exploitation of children."

Qwerty, do you know that you are very pathetic? Check out the book scripter links to - subtitled something about overhauling straight America - I'll try to get back to it and link it - you MUST have read it. It's all in there, a book written by homo-activists. Your problem is you keep denying things that everyone, including homosexuals (especially homosexuals, since you guys thought it up and did it) KNOW are true.

It's like the Goebbles' "Big Lie" method that Clinton used - just keep denying the obvious truth until your dying day.

186 posted on 06/14/2003 6:14:16 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Mr. Mojo
There is an element of choice, and an element that's obviously not choice.

And repeated behavior reinforces the attraction, adds fuel to the fire so to speak. Here's an example - the mind (which basically just replays everything you've ever put it in, including all the movies watched, etc) comes up with a thought - an attraction, if you will. If you "entertain" the thought - the desire - meditate on it - read articles about it - look at pictures about it - go to chat rooms about it - etc etc - and then ACT on it - that's one path. Another path is this - the thought enters the mind, and you tell that thought - Get the F**k out of here! That's disgusting! And you don't focus on it, drool over it, etc or act on it.

Everyone's minds are full of all kinds of weird passing thoughts that they don't act on. That's called being a human being, instead of an animal.

There's a mistaken belief that if we don't act on our desires they will get stronger and stronger, so we have to "do" them to get them out of our system. The reverse is actually true - most desires will get weaker and weaker if we ignore them (especially unhealthy, abnormal or harmful ones, not normal ones like wanting to eat when you're stomach is empty). By ignoring a sick/unhleathy desire its power in the mind diminishes more and more and finally goes away when not acted upon or meditated upon.

187 posted on 06/14/2003 6:25:58 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram; LanPB01
It is common knowledge here on FR (and you know this, maxwell) that approximately 35-40% (ROUGHLY) of child molestations are same sex.

Yeah, I know. I've read some of Remedy's stuff. I was trying to make a point to Lan.

188 posted on 06/14/2003 6:40:08 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: pram
"Getting homosexualists into the professions, especially academia, was part of the plan, to gradually normalize sexual exploitation of children."

Here it is, thanks to scripter:

That book was After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Anybody can read an accurate summary of the book if they're interested. Both books are excellent reads.

He has a link a little back up the thread.

189 posted on 06/14/2003 6:40:32 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: maxwell
I knew you knew!! I just figured I'd let you know what I was telling him/her.
190 posted on 06/14/2003 6:42:40 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
I am saying bigotry is evil. Make of it whatever you wish.
191 posted on 06/14/2003 7:25:33 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Qwerty
If you showed some interest in the truth I'd be more inclined to ping you. Unfortunately you continue to ignore the truths put forth on this forum.

We could go around about this again, but you'd only fling more links. Thousands SAY they left the lifestyle, but how many continue to fantasize about gay sex? How many are actually "gay" to begin with?

Yes, thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle. From everything I've studied on this issue, there is no such thing as a homosexual, just homosexual behavior, so engaging in homosexual behavior is a choice. Everyone struggles with something in their life but not everyone acts on it. And acting on homosexuality is a choice some make.

Nobody said it was easy to leave the homosexual lifestyle, but it's possible as thousands have demonstrated.

192 posted on 06/14/2003 8:38:50 AM PDT by scripter
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To: gitmo
We must not forget inflatable dolls and mechanical devices.
194 posted on 06/14/2003 9:03:58 AM PDT by Frapster (John 3:16)
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To: Jeff Gordon
I am saying bigotry is evil. Make of it whatever you wish.

I don't wish to "make" anything of it - I just want you to clarify yourself. Are you saying that to have mean unreasonable thoughts about someone is morally equivalent to being a pedophile - whether they just "think" about it, visit sick websites, advise others how to do it, and/or do it themselves?

In my view (reality) the two are like comparing stealing penny candy and robbing old ladies out of their life savings while beating them up. Both are crimes, but can't compare morally.

195 posted on 06/14/2003 9:21:22 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
"Qwerty, do you know that you are very pathetic?"

The fact that you feel I'm pathetic doesn't matter. You are still wrong, and your side has already lost.

"Check out the book scripter links to - subtitled something about overhauling straight America - you MUST have read it."

I never read it. I'm not sure why you think someone's book is speaking for all homosexuals.

"It's all in there, a book written by homo-activists. Your problem is you keep denying things that everyone,(especially homosexuals, since you guys thought it up and did it) KNOW are true."

You think that because a homosexual wrote a book, I know about it? Do you think we gather in underground caverns the first friday of every month after the art galleries close to discuss how we're going to rule the world?

"It's like the Goebbles' "Big Lie" method - just keep denying the obvious truth until your dying day."

Is that how you keep yourself from realizing that you're a conspiracy nut?

196 posted on 06/14/2003 10:31:30 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: kattracks
Why am I not surprised? Isn't this the SAME tactic used by homos to gain acceptance? We need to understand them ... have compassion for them .... MAYBE it's a gene ... maybe they're born that way ... he/she is REALLY a nice person - just with a different sexual twist - YOUNG KIDS ... . Sound familiar?

We also have the Catholic church turning a blind eye to homosexuals and pedaphiles. Now their is "religious" approval.

197 posted on 06/14/2003 10:36:26 AM PDT by nmh
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To: pram
Are you saying that to have mean unreasonable thoughts about someone is morally equivalent..

That is not for me to decide.

The bigots know who they are. The bigots know the coldness of their own hearts. The bigots' hatereds will lead them to lead lives that parallel their mean spirits. The bigots will face their ultimate judgements before God.

198 posted on 06/14/2003 10:41:43 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: scripter
"If you showed some interest in the truth I'd be more inclined to ping you."

It's fine if you don't ping me. I get pinged anyway, usually.

"Unfortunately you continue to ignore the truths put forth on this forum."

No, I ignore the herd of propaganda links that you put forth. Big difference.

"From everything I've studied on this issue, there is no such thing as a homosexual, just homosexual behavior, so engaging in homosexual behavior is a choice."

Of course engaging in any behavior is a choice. It's the attraction you have no control over.

"Nobody said it was easy to leave the homosexual lifestyle, but it's possible as thousands have demonstrated."

How many go BACK to the homosexual lifestyle? Thousands might have stopped acting on their impulses (probably most of them only temporarily), or perhaps were straight to begin with.... but this doesn't prove that you can ever stop being a homosexual.

Of course, even if I could leave it I wouldn't. But that's another issue entirely.

199 posted on 06/14/2003 10:41:49 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Hey Qwerty - ONCE - Just ONCE - reply to an argument that someone makes with facts, not your FEELINGS.
You can't. You can only make emotional statements.
200 posted on 06/14/2003 10:43:05 AM PDT by First Amendment
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