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TEENS FACE THE NAKED TRUTH -- Nudist Camps For Teens!
Iconoclast ^ | Paul Walfield

Posted on 06/27/2003 1:12:50 PM PDT by clintonbaiter

"It makes me a bit freaked out that people would think of nudity as a sexual thing," said Michelle Jones, a 15 year old nudist from Texas. Michelle is among a number of girls and boys, ages 11 through 18 who are happy little campers at one of America's nudist camps for kids. According to the New York Times article entitled, "Old Enough to Make a Lanyard, and to Do It Nude," teens running around nude, playing volleyball, pudding toss, mini-golf and attending a campfire sing-along, is like any other "family-like environment."

The Times, employing its usual tolerancespeak, points out that parents who enroll their pre-teen and teen-age kids in the nation's growing number of nudist camps geared for that age group aren't very concerned about it and in fact find it a wholesome and safe environment....

(Excerpt) Read more at iconoclast.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
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The decline and fall of the American empire!
1 posted on 06/27/2003 1:12:51 PM PDT by clintonbaiter
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To: clintonbaiter
They had this story on Fox news earlier today. One of the guests was a Republican congressman from Florida, Mark Foley, who opposes these camps. They had some shrill left wing banshee advocating it. She claimed that Foley lacked any credentials to complain about the camp because he had never visited it!
2 posted on 06/27/2003 1:16:52 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: clintonbaiter
I remember reading this about a week ago. I guess they should go around and close of the nudists beaches in western florida and south central ca., as well. But of course, they won't do that.
3 posted on 06/27/2003 1:18:06 PM PDT by rs79bm (Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence)
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To: clintonbaiter
The rest of the article (why not?): Stamp out unnecessary excerpting.
4 posted on 06/27/2003 1:18:32 PM PDT by newgeezer (Gun-control advocates are the NRA's best recruiters.)
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To: clintonbaiter
The Greek culture -- at its greatest -- involved athletic contests where contestants, male and female, were nude.

Could it be that cultures controlled or heavily influenced by mullah types -- priests included -- are less civilized than the ancient Greeks?

5 posted on 06/27/2003 1:20:08 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: All
The New York Times article on FR:

At Nude Youth Camp, Skin Is Bare but Lust Is Verboten


6 posted on 06/27/2003 1:21:58 PM PDT by newgeezer (Gun-control advocates are the NRA's best recruiters.)
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To: newgeezer
I don't like nudists. I think they're creepy.
7 posted on 06/27/2003 1:22:42 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: clintonbaiter
How is that this doesn't violate some kind of Child Porn law? Any adults should be dragged off in chains and thrown in jail. This is just sickening. I saw the guy on Fox running the Texas camp say that the children had ASKED their parents to go. Give me a freaking break....Anyone her at 11 yrs old think to ask their parents if there was a nude summer camp they could go to? In that interview it seems they were a lot younger than 11 going to a nude camp.
8 posted on 06/27/2003 1:23:44 PM PDT by Naspino
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To: newgeezer
So just how long do you have to be nude to start believing that being clothed is what brings out a person's sexuality?

Usually just till your lady shows up in a garter belt and net stockings, or maybe a French Maids Uniform.

So9

9 posted on 06/27/2003 1:23:47 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: johnb838
Yeah, but a nude cheerleader camp.... Wow.
10 posted on 06/27/2003 1:24:31 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: clintonbaiter
These are private camps! Private clubs. Where are all the "freedom of association" people who were bleating about 1A rights during the Augusta Golf controversy?



11 posted on 06/27/2003 1:24:51 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: thinktwice
"The Greek culture -- at its greatest -- involved athletic contests where contestants, male and female, were nude."

Yes, the great Greek culture. Where is it today, by the way?

12 posted on 06/27/2003 1:25:28 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: GOPcapitalist
She claimed that Foley lacked any credentials to complain about the camp because he had never visited it!

And if he had visited it, she would be calling him a pedophile.

13 posted on 06/27/2003 1:25:45 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: chookter
I just want to type those words again: Nude Cheerleader Camp.
14 posted on 06/27/2003 1:26:43 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: thinktwice
Could it be that cultures controlled or heavily influenced by mullah types -- priests included -- ashamed of public nudity are less civilized than the ancient Greeks?

No.

15 posted on 06/27/2003 1:29:18 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
One word: Panties.
16 posted on 06/27/2003 1:31:01 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: clintonbaiter
There was an extensive thread on this on the 24th:

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/f-news/934619/posts

As I said then:

Of all the things to worry about, nudist camps for teens are hardly the most important. When I was a graduate student at the University of California, Santa Barbara, we had a nude beach just up from the campus on university-owned property, as well as a nude beach 20 miles or so south. All sorts of students and other local residents of all ages went to both Devereaux and Black's beaches. Over five or six years, I spent a fair mount of time at the nude beach at Devereaux. I saw lots of naked sunbathers and swimmers, but nothing more untoward than a hug or kiss you'd see on any beach.

One may or may not want to go to a nude beach or nudist camp, or want one's children to, but in my experience it was surprisingly innocent and ordinary.

Once, I was later invited to a nudist 'resort' in Topanga Canyon, the name of which now escapes me. Most of the members were LA swinger types, trying to put a somewhat healthy and mystical overlay on their debauchery. And, it was quite debauched, an outdoor version of Plato's Retreat. I never saw so much public sex before or since. This was before AIDS. It was a real "once is philosophy, twice is perversion" sort of place. I didn't go back.

17 posted on 06/27/2003 1:32:47 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: clintonbaiter
According to the New York Times article entitled, "Old Enough to Make a Lanyard, and to Do It Nude," teens running around nude, playing volleyball, pudding toss, mini-golf and attending a campfire sing-along, is like any other "family-like environment."

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.

FMCDH

18 posted on 06/27/2003 1:33:31 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: clintonbaiter
What, no bugs?
19 posted on 06/27/2003 1:33:51 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: clintonbaiter
I would say that if you can learn to appear naked before the opposite sex, and refrain from all improper behavior and thoughts, you will have much more self-control and wisdom than the average American.

I can understand why parents would want to teach their children to do this.

Both our culture and the natural inclinations of the male sex make this difficult to accomplish.

But I would imagine that a higher percentage of these young people manage to remain chaste until marriage than the general population.
20 posted on 06/27/2003 1:39:51 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: MEGoody
the great Greek culture. Where is it today

You'll find evidence regarding ancient Greek culture in libraries and museums.

The modern world has more gadgets and -- in some places -- more wealth; but the shining star excellence of Aristotle's thinking has only recently (in the past century) been surpassed.

That achievement belongs to a much maligned (but now deceased) modern philosopher that is slowly gaining respect thanks to the written (and extensive) philosophic legacy she has endowed to mankind.

21 posted on 06/27/2003 1:40:10 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Lorianne
These are private camps! Private clubs. Where are all the "freedom of association" people who were bleating about 1A rights during the Augusta Golf controversy?  

kAcknor Sez:

I saw Congressman Foley on both Scarborough and O'Reilly and my first thought was to wonder if this guy was one of us fighting for "Parental Rights" when it comes to school choice.  Well, the parent's of these nudist kids also choose, but because he disagrees with THAT choice, it "Must be STOPPED!!"

Those who choose to go unclothed have been with us for centuries. Do we really think that they have never included their children in the activities? That they choose to send them to a summer camp that follows the same rules of the family camps seems a normal and reasonable thing.

I'm not a nudist myself, nor is anyone in my family. I wouldn't think to do it! But unless you can show me where children are harmed, them it's none of our business.

"DujlIj yIvoq." (Trust your instincts)

Have you checked the *bang_list today?

22 posted on 06/27/2003 1:41:59 PM PDT by kAcknor
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To: MEGoody
Yes, the great Greek culture. Where is it today, by the way?

Everywhere. You are its heir.

23 posted on 06/27/2003 1:42:12 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: newgeezer
See post 21
24 posted on 06/27/2003 1:43:20 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: kAcknor
Arrgh

them = then

25 posted on 06/27/2003 1:43:32 PM PDT by kAcknor
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To: thinktwice
You'll find evidence regarding ancient Greek culture in libraries and museums.

And in the words you speak, the mathematics you use, the philosophy you think, the plays, novels and TV shows you enjoy, the laws that protect you...

26 posted on 06/27/2003 1:48:15 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: clintonbaiter
"It makes me a bit freaked out that people would think of nudity as a sexual thing," said Michelle Jones

She's either really stupid or really ugly.

27 posted on 06/27/2003 1:49:02 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: chookter
Just to follow up: Nude Cheerleader Camp
28 posted on 06/27/2003 1:54:06 PM PDT by TomB (Sure! I'll spot you.)
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To: thinktwice
See post 21

Totally irrelevant.

People wear clothes because people are, by nature, prone to lust.

See Genesis 3:7.

29 posted on 06/27/2003 2:04:12 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: newgeezer
People wear clothes because people are, by nature, prone to lust.
See Genesis 3:7

Those not prone to lust never take their clothes off.
See newgeezer: 29

30 posted on 06/27/2003 2:11:12 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
Those not prone to lust never take their clothes off.

I don't get it. Oh, well.

31 posted on 06/27/2003 2:14:11 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: johnb838
"I don't like nudists. I think they're creepy. "

Plus, most of them you just don't want to see naked.

32 posted on 06/27/2003 2:17:27 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: kAcknor
"But unless you can show me where children are harmed, them it's none of our business."

"(Trust your instincts)"

Any conflict here?




33 posted on 06/27/2003 2:28:53 PM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: clintonbaiter
The decline and fall of the American empire!

Hardly, such camps have existed for decades, and probably centuries. Certainly I've been aware of their existance since the 1950s, and I'm sure they were around long before that.

34 posted on 06/27/2003 2:37:34 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Conservateacher
I do have to make the observation that in certain instances, involving certain people, nudity could very well discourage lust. Examples: Hillary, Janet Reno, Madeline Albright, etc. And all you main street purists, I want you to dispute that observation.
35 posted on 06/27/2003 2:43:37 PM PDT by meenie
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To: Conservateacher
 Any conflict here?

kAcknor Sez:

 None at all. If you (or anyone) can show cause that the children are harmed, shut them down. Are adults leering? Are the children sexually abused? Forced to removed clothing by threat? Do any of the kids wish to leave because of embarrassment? If so, action should be taken, and taken quickly.

Until then, it's just another way to live that harms nobody, except the minds of those unwilling to allow them to choose.

"bISovbejbe'DI' tImer" (When in doubt, surprise them.)

Have you checked the *bang_list today?

37 posted on 06/27/2003 2:55:37 PM PDT by kAcknor
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To: Lorianne
"Where are all the "freedom of association" people who were bleating about 1A rights during the Augusta Golf controversy? "

Hah! You discovered that many conservatives are just as left wing in their desire for banning or outlawing. The conservatives and the left tend to fight about "what" to ban, not whether bannings is wrong.

Although I'm not personally comfortable as a nudist, the camps are perfectly okay. It is because they are naked, that the social-sexual aspects of nakedness are stripped away. Heck, in Europe there are many lakes and parks where you will find naked nudist families picnicing together, definitely not my cup of tea but perfectly innocent.

38 posted on 06/27/2003 5:32:35 PM PDT by Katya
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To: chookter
Yeah, but a nude cheerleader camp.... Wow.

Maybe if we did a google search using the words "nude cheerleader camp"... On second thought, strike that idea.

39 posted on 06/27/2003 6:19:54 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: proxy_user; meenie
I am reminded of the story of George C. Scott when he was about to do a movie love scene in bed with a buxome starlet. Said George C.,"First of all, I want to apologize if I get an erection. And secondly, I want to apologize if I don't".
40 posted on 06/27/2003 6:35:00 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Cosmo is never in a happy home.)
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To: Katya
Yup. Never think that righties don't have their own equivalent of "It's for the chillldrennnn...!" (/whiny tone)
41 posted on 06/27/2003 10:32:10 PM PDT by MikalM
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To: Lorianne
You have to remember only groups whose goals you agree with have freedom of association. The rest is the downfall of civilization.
42 posted on 06/27/2003 10:37:42 PM PDT by garbanzo
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To: Katya
I agree with you. People should be allowed to do as they wish, as long as they harm none.

In practice, however, I walked around in a permanent state of arousal between the ages of 13 and twenty-five.

So my kids will not be attending.

43 posted on 06/27/2003 10:52:57 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: annyokie
Plus, most of them you just don't want to see naked.

I am an art major who has seen MANY nude models and have been grossed out---by older male models who are really creepy and the young guys are muscular but so short usually....and all of them seem to think they are a 6-foot Mel Gibson which is truly comical. The women have tattoos now and lots of piercings...they are pretty pathetic for the most part except for some of the younger women who are students and model...they seem like they are normal(?) but not very bright....all are very liberal (pagan morals like the Greek (Plato) pederasts) which fits in with most artists......(but not all ;^)...

44 posted on 06/27/2003 11:34:50 PM PDT by savagesusie (Ann Coulter rules!)
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To: savagesusie
I agree. I was grossed out many a time in drawing class by the bovine women and flabby old men who posed for us. Yech!

We never got any Brad Pitts.
45 posted on 06/28/2003 11:12:53 AM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: TomB; chookter
Let me chime in:

NUDE CHEERLEADER CAMP

46 posted on 06/28/2003 11:21:12 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: thinktwice
The civilized Greeks also exposed unwanted infants to the elements and animals (infantacide).
47 posted on 06/28/2003 10:55:53 PM PDT by mlmr (The chickens always come home to roost........unless they are eaten by the racoons.)
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