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Undocumented migrants' driver license bill advances
SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS ^ | Wed, Sep. 03, 2003 | Ann E. Marimow

Posted on 09/03/2003 7:47:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamante; democrats; govgraydavis; votescam
Please see Illegal Immigration CA Driver's License.
1 posted on 09/03/2003 7:47:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest
send the wetbacks home!
2 posted on 09/03/2003 7:48:19 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: Yosemitest
Sure, let one of the 9-11 hijackers get California's primary ID card. Thanks for making America more secure, Democrats!
3 posted on 09/03/2003 7:48:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
This is just great. Anyone who comes into kalifornia illegally can get a kalifornia drivers license. Like was said above a terrosist's dream. Also all the government freebee's. Parley
4 posted on 09/03/2003 7:50:59 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Yosemitest
Another Clinton plan in action.
5 posted on 09/03/2003 7:53:19 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (See Jesse, see Jesse get arrested, see Jesse make bail and ride away in a limo.)
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To: Yosemitest
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!

in the words of Michael Savage, "Borders, Language, Culture." Here "undocumented" immigrants come in ILLEGALLY, don't bother to even LEARN the LANGUAGE, and then live in their own Mexican or Asian grottos where one can live his whole life without ever being assimilated into American culture. It isn't the "Under God" part of the Pledge I am concerned with: it's the "One Nation..." It's becoming pretty shakey in this country that I love.
6 posted on 09/03/2003 7:54:30 PM PDT by pianomikey (piano for prez)
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To: Yosemitest
How can anyone rationalize this?
7 posted on 09/03/2003 7:56:32 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Yosemitest
national security bump
8 posted on 09/03/2003 8:00:29 PM PDT by pianomikey (piano for prez)
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To: dalebert
Illegals can sign up to vote with their driver licenses and then vote Dem - so that they can continue transferring wealth. Ultimately there will be no one left in CA who actually owns a profitable business and then we will have CA turned into the paradise that is Mexico.

Mexifornia is truly a state of becoming.
9 posted on 09/03/2003 8:00:40 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Yosemitest
Am I the only one who sees this as a (admittedly distant) extension of the condoms-and-abortions for underage kids debate? "They're going to do it anyway..."

And on a related note, what's the point of being a U.S. citizen again?
10 posted on 09/03/2003 8:00:52 PM PDT by President_Leary (S.F. Protesters - weapons of mass ignorance)
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To: dalebert
How can anyone rationalize this?

The only rational explanation I can muster anymore is that if it may be beneficial to some movement or plan to intentionally skew the demographic make-up of this country. Whatever the plan or movement may be would have to rely on a large segment of the population 1. not identifying themselves as Americans. 2. Not speaking the customary language of our once great country and 3. A large demographic who would accept a large decrease in our standard of living or not even see it as a decrease.

What is happening here is larger than incompetence or a democratic/republican vote war, IMO.

11 posted on 09/03/2003 8:02:05 PM PDT by riri
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To: dalebert
>>How can anyone rationalize this?<<

I think there are two.

The first is simple: it's a powerplay. Get them to rely on you, rely on government to make laws to protect the illegal and make it so they can have their cake and eat it too, relying fully on govt before they know it! Kalifornia in a snap.

The second is more insidious: emotional and social justification. The more it becomes a Socialist State, the more They can justify to themselves that their Commie mentality is justifiable, because voila! We have a "successful" (judging from its past) Socialist State, so THERE.


12 posted on 09/03/2003 8:13:32 PM PDT by pianomikey (piano for prez)
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To: MatthewViti

13 posted on 09/03/2003 8:15:10 PM PDT by South40
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To: MatthewViti
You don't have to say "wetback."
14 posted on 09/03/2003 8:35:51 PM PDT by Holden Magroin
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To: Holden Magroin
I know I don't, but this is America and I can. Would you prefer "Undocumented Migrant?"
15 posted on 09/03/2003 8:51:13 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: Constructionist
phew. come to Arizona, where they always welcome new conservative mind. My Dad runs a real estate and housing buisiness, and he loves building for the middle-class fed-up Kalifornian influx.
18 posted on 09/03/2003 9:51:58 PM PDT by pianomikey (piano for prez)
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To: Constructionist; pianomikey
dang, I like the way you think.

Like pianomikey says, AZ can use more conservatives like you. This is the land of the Kalifornia refugees.

We are trying to fight the illegal influx here, right at our southern border, aka "the gateway to the USA." AZ is a major staging ground, and we are ready to fight.

19 posted on 09/03/2003 10:04:10 PM PDT by kstewskis
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To: Yosemitest
California!!
20 posted on 09/03/2003 10:05:19 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Yosemitest
Undocumented Migrants?

What happened to ILLEGAL ALIENS?

First they changed it to "illegal immigrants" trying to soften the alien label. Then it was "undocumented workers" which is similar to undocumented migrants. Migrants makes you think they go home on the weekends or something.

The point, of course, was to remove the word "illegal" which at least showed they were criminals and replace it with a softer word like undocumented to make morons think they are here legally but just haven't had time to get a driver's license.

Neither the Dems or the GOP are going to care about this issue. When it comes to illegal immigration we have one party.

21 posted on 09/03/2003 10:10:28 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats have stunted brain development!)
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To: Yosemitest
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22 posted on 09/03/2003 10:20:55 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: pianomikey
I couldn't agree more!!
Remember this?

This is about STEALING ELECTIONS and the democrats are experts at it. In California, it's automatic to register a new driver's license holder to vote.
23 posted on 09/04/2003 5:56:50 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Seems to me that making immigration law is a federal job. remember the fake id's mailed with a letter from clinton just before the election?
24 posted on 09/04/2003 7:57:26 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Yosemitest
I did not catch that.

And now I am outraged.
25 posted on 09/04/2003 1:50:29 PM PDT by pianomikey (piano for prez)
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To: pianomikey
I've been angry so long, I don't know what to do. I keep voting republican, but they keep letting me down. WHEN WILL THEY STAND AND FIGHT FOR PRINCIPLES!!!!
26 posted on 09/05/2003 4:34:08 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest
yeah, seems like a 3 party system is just what this country needs: republican, democrat, and republican with spine. I know which one I'd vote for.
27 posted on 09/05/2003 10:47:26 AM PDT by pianomikey (piano for prez)
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To: Yosemitest

BILL CLINTON: I love it when a plan comes together!

Mexifornia, Mexifornia, Mexifornia......

Texico, Texico, Texico.....

28 posted on 09/05/2003 11:24:15 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Vote for Arnold. At least he has a shot.)
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To: riri
Not to rationalize this ... but to say that ... this has all been predicted thousands of years ago. We are becomming "an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations" and there is a way to change this path we've chosen, and change our future.
29 posted on 09/06/2003 4:40:36 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: isthisnickcool
May the LORD reward BILL CLINTON according to HIS works.
I need more patience.
30 posted on 09/06/2003 4:46:14 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest
To all of the morons who keep saying there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans.

Davis has just committed a criminally negligent breach of national security

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New regulations for noncitizens create run on driver's licenses(Is Your State Doing it's Part?)
The Miami Herald ^ | 12-14-01 | LESLEY CLARK, TERE FIGUERAS AND HANNAH SAMPSON

Posted on 12/14/2001 10:14 PM EST by Rome2000

New regulations for noncitizens create run on driver's licenses

BY LESLEY CLARK, TERE FIGUERAS AND HANNAH SAMPSON
lclark@herald.com

TALLAHASSEE -- Swamped with immigrants rushing to obtain driver's licenses before new anti-terrorism regulations go into effect, the state Thursday hurried to immediately impose the new rules, restricting noncitizens to just four driver's license offices in South Florida.

The change created chaos across Miami-Dade and Broward counties, as confused would-be drivers traveled from one licensing office to another, trying to find the ones that handle noncitizen applications. At one point Thursday, Florida Highway Patrol troopers were summoned for crowd control.

``They were angry because they couldn't get a license on the spot,'' said Sandra Lambert, director of the driver's license division at the state Department of Highway Safety & Motor Vehicles.

The state had been planning to enact the new restrictions next week, but quickly moved up the schedule when it became apparent that people were trying to dodge the change, Lambert said.

``We realized if we waited any longer, hundreds more old-style licenses could be issued,'' she said.

Under the new rules, noncitizens -- including those holding permanent residency ``green cards'' -- who apply for new licenses will get 30-day paper permits while their identification documents are checked. If cleared, they will be mailed licenses that expire at the same time as their visas. Also, noncitizens will no longer be able to renew their licenses or report address changes over the telephone or the Internet.

LIMITED OFFICES

And they can no longer go to any driver's license office. Instead, they can conduct business at only two offices in Miami-Dade and two in Broward, where staffers have been trained by the Immigration and Naturalization Service to recognize altered or counterfeit documents. Those offices also have been supplied with equipment so that the department can keep copies of the documents. Six other offices will accommodate noncitizens outside of South Florida.

Lambert said the department plans to add more offices to handle noncitizen applications as employees undergo training.

There are no estimates on the numbers of non-U.S. citizens in South Florida, though the figure for permanent resident aliens is believed to number in the tens of thousands in Miami-Dade and Broward. And there are about 30,000 to 40,000 Hondurans and Nicaraguans in South Florida with temporary residence and work permits that expire in July 2002.

RUN ON LICENSES

The state agency was tipped off to the run on licenses when they stocked the new application forms in the four South Florida offices on Saturday. As people learned this week that those four offices would give noncitizens only the temporary licenses, they began to flock to the other ones, Lambert said.

``People realized you had to wait to be mailed a [permanent] license at those offices, but word spread that you can get a driver's license on the spot in the other offices,'' she said. ``We had huge lines in the other offices.''

The new regulations were developed afterthe Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to make sure that Florida driver's licenses expire at the same time as foreigner's visas. The changes link the duration of driver's licenses to the expiration of visas and give driver's license officials time to check identification.

``The thinking is that if you no longer have a legal presence in the country, you no longer should be entitled to a driver's license,'' Lambert said.

But the abrupt switch created confusion.

At one of the two offices in Miami-Dade where noncitizens could get licenses, hopeful drivers stretched 40 deep out the front door, spilling into the parking lot.

``I cannot believe this, '' said Peruvian Cintia Celi, sitting in the crowded waiting room at the department's central Miami office at 901 NW 39th Ave., which along with the office at 12601 NW 42nd Ave. in Opa-locka is authorized to handle noncitizen applications.

Celi, who has lived in Coral Gables since she was a teen, had one word to sum up a day spent reinstating her license: ``Hell.''

``I went to a place by my house, and they sent me here,'' said Celi, 25. ``But they didn't tell me I had to bring papers, so I had to go back. Lines all day.''

300 REFERRALS

The office received about 300 referrals from other locations Thursday, said office manager Maritza Zea. That's about twice the numbers her workers see in a typical day. Though the number of employees had been increased to handle the expected influx, there was a backlog by mid-afternoon.

``It's chaos,'' Zea said. ``Just having to make people understand what they need and why they need it.''

In Broward, at the bureau on Pembroke Road and University Drive in Pembroke Pines, lines were not as long as they were last month, according to one mother and daughter who have made three trips to the bureau in recent weeks.

``The last couple of times we were here it has been outrageous,'' said Lin Trahan of Cooper City, whose daughter Sarah, 16, was waiting to get her license.

Workers at the bureau told the two they could try other locations that serve only U.S. citizens if they wanted to avoid longer lines, but the Pembroke Pines location was the most convenient.

It wasn't convenient for Jose Benitez, a permanent resident from Nicaragua. Benitez, a mechanic, lives in Miami and traveled with friend Xilena Mariano to three different offices Thursday.

The first, on Coral Reef Drive in South Miami-Dade, didn't give licenses to noncitizens. The second, on LeJeune Road, said it was too busy, so Benitez, who has lived in the country for 17 years, went to Pembroke Pines to renew his license. ``This is very different than what we're used to,'' Mariano said.

Chinese-born Neo Mi didn't have to renew his license -- yet. He was accompanying a fellow countrywoman as she took her test at the Northwest 39th Avenue office.

``She went in there at 8 a.m.,'' he said at 3 p.m, waiting in the crowded parking lot. ``I haven't seen her since.''


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In an amazing display of common sense, the State of Florida will now actually stop issuing drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

How many other States will follow suit?

And what is the Democrat position on this issue?

1 posted on 12/14/2001 10:14 PM EST by Rome2000
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31 posted on 09/06/2003 4:48:22 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamonte wins)
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To: Rome2000

At least they have a clue, but that office needs to have bars and an exit that leads to a plane for deportation.

My guess is the Democrats will throw a fit, and scream racism. (call 1-800-cry-baby)

I'm shocked that ANY state would allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to have a drivers license or any other real government papers except a court order ... ordering their deportation.

To deny military absentee ballots by having the postal unions of each state refuse to post-mark ballot envelopes with a date mark, that the federal government requires to be on the ballots, in order to be counted as an "OFFICIAL BALLOT".

Then the democrats will scream racism and racial profiling as they use the "illegal alien" drivers-licensed voters (remember motor-voter act) to STEAL ANOTHER ELLECTION!!!

I must leave now and take my blood pressure medicine.
32 posted on 09/06/2003 5:24:37 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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