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Polls Show Obama Losing Public Trust
Cutting Through The Fog ^ | July 21, 2009 | Cranky George

Posted on 07/21/2009 11:34:19 AM PDT by Petro

Abraham Lincoln once said this of "trust":

"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.

(Click on link to original article to see Politico Video)

(Excerpt) Read more at cuttingthroughthefog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Polls
KEYWORDS: economy; obama; polls; trust

1 posted on 07/21/2009 11:34:19 AM PDT by Petro
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To: Petro
Uhbama lost me, totally, forever, if he ever even had me once, when he answered the question about whether he and his family would be under the same healthcare program and he said, "No, I want the best care for my family."

That did it forever, as far as a I am concerned. NO GOOD MAN would EVER do this to his nation. He was saying, in essense, "I am BETTER than you. My family is more IMPORTANT than the rest of American families."

Same with the congress.

Look at those dolts up there one the hill...........DO ANY OF THEM LOOK OR SOUND LIKE SOMEONE THAT YOU WOULD WANT DETERMINING THE COURSE OF HEALTH CARE FOR ONE OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS or YOURSELF? Hardly.

2 posted on 07/21/2009 11:39:28 AM PDT by Republic (Uhbama has sleezed and schmoozed his way through life-he is a silly little boy with inmmature dreams)
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To: Petro
The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.

-------John Adams

3 posted on 07/21/2009 11:40:02 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Petro

Imagine that, I wonder why.


4 posted on 07/21/2009 11:40:06 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: Petro

can’t lose what you never had.


5 posted on 07/21/2009 11:42:07 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (WWFUAMLD?)
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To: Petro

We can’t let up now. We have to keep the pressure on. Expose this fraud every chance you have. Do NOT back down. There is no temporary breather. This is war. We must fight 24/7 for our country, our liberties, and our Constitutional rights.


6 posted on 07/21/2009 11:42:59 AM PDT by Type Righter (...fighting Marxism 24/7 until the Usurper is Gone! ...)
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To: Petro

“The problem ain’t so much that you lied to me, the problem is that I can’t ever trust you again.”

I keep wondering if, when the sheeple figure out these bastards are lying bastards, they will finally begin to wonder what else they have been lying about.


7 posted on 07/21/2009 11:44:11 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Petro

Bump!

(How can you lose what you never had?)


8 posted on 07/21/2009 11:46:00 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Petro

Let it Be so


9 posted on 07/21/2009 11:48:24 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Republic

Can you give a link or source for this? I had not heard this particular anecdote.


10 posted on 07/21/2009 11:55:21 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Petro
Its true.
I'm a lifelong democrat and I voted for Obama in the last election and ... pffftt... sorry I can't just pull it off. This fellow evaporated my trust when I first read the 'about us' page of the church he attended for 20 years (which has since been sanitized after March 2008). A twenty-year member of a racist organization that blasphemes the LORD's Name (by preaching idolatry and not Christ) is not to be trusted.
11 posted on 07/21/2009 12:32:35 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Petro

if his only response is to throw self-pitying tirades on television, he is already toast


12 posted on 07/21/2009 1:04:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Houghton M.

Assuming you mean the Lincoln quote, here’s one link.

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if_you_once_forfeit_the_confidence_of_your_fellow/145498.html


13 posted on 07/21/2009 1:29:21 PM PDT by Petro
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To: Petro

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. No, I was interested in the Obama quote—when and where did he answer a the question about whether he and his family would be under the same healthcare program and said, “No, I want the best care for my family.”

Did he mean “No, I don’t want my family under the nationalized system proposed in Congress” or was he saying that he wanted the best care for them and (since he has to say this) since the new program is the best, “no, I don’t want them excluded from it, I want the best”

I find it very hard to believe that he would come out and say that he wanted his family outside the system Congress is proposing because he wanted the best for his family and therefore the program he’s betting his whole political future on is not the best care possible?? If he did say this, it’s wildly counterintuitive, so I’d like to know when and where he said it.


14 posted on 07/21/2009 2:46:18 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Petro

It’s not that I don’t doubt that he thinks this way—that he wouldn’t want his children under the nationalized health care system any more than Congress is going to be under it. I don’t doubt for a moment that he thinks this. But I find it hard to believe he said it.

So if you can give a link or other source, it’d be a huge propaganda plus for our side.


15 posted on 07/21/2009 2:47:48 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

He never says anything substantive unless it’s mixed in with a sea of unrelated BS.

“And you’re absolutely right that, if it’s my family member, it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care. But here’s the problem that we have in our current health care system, is that there is a whole bunch of care that’s being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier.”

So, he basically says that he won’t be participating because he wants the very best care, but actually is somewhere in between that and not answering the question at all.

It’s much more damning later on when he tells the woman that her mother won’t get a pacemaker and that we can’t be deciding these things by someone’s ‘spirit’. Maybe instead of a pacemaker, she should take a painkiller. (He actually says this)

Here’s that portion:

JANE STURM: Caregiver for 105-year-old mother: Yes.

SAWYER: Hazel Homer (ph), 100 years old and she wanted…

STURM: She’s 105 now. Over 105. But at 100 the doctor had said to her, I can’t do anything more unless you have a pacemaker. I said, go for it. She said, go for it. But the arrhythmia specialist said, no, it’s too old. Her doctor said, I’m going to make an appointment, because a picture is worth a thousand words. And when the other arrhythmia specialist saw her, saw her joy of life and so on, he said, I’m going for it. So that was over five years ago. My question to you is, outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, quality of life? Or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?

OBAMA: Well, first of all, I want to meet your mom.

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA: And I want to find out what’s she’s eating.

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA: But, look, the first thing for all of us to understand is that we actually have some — some choices to make about how we want to deal with our own end-of-life care. And that’s one of the things I think that we can all promote, and this is not a big government program. This is something that each of us individually can do, is to draft and sign a living will so that we’re very clear with our doctors about how we want to approach the end of life. I don’t think that we can make judgments based on peoples’ spirit. That would be a pretty subjective decision to be making. I think we have to have rules that say that we are going to provide good, quality care for all people.

GIBSON: But the money may not have been there for her pacemaker or for your grandmother’s hip replacement.

OBAMA: Well, and — and that’s absolutely true. And end-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we’re going to have to make. I don’t want bureaucracies making those decisions, but understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they’re not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they’re being made by private insurers. We don’t always make those decisions explicitly. We often make those decisions by just letting people run out of money or making the deductibles so high or the out-of-pocket expenses so onerous that they just can’t afford the care. And all we’re suggesting — and we’re not going to solve every difficult problem in terms of end-of-life care. A lot of that is going to have to be, we as a culture and as a society starting to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves. But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that’s not making anybody’s mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller. And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decision, and that — that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that’s something we can achieve. We’re not going to solve every single one of these very difficult decisions at end of life, and ultimately that’s going to be between physicians and patients. But we can make real progress on this front if we work a little bit harder.

SAWYER: Is that a conversation you could have had with your mom?

STURM: What I wanted to say was, that the arrhythmia specialist who put the pacemaker in said that it cost Medicare $30,000 at the time. She had been in the hospital two or three times a month before that, so let’s say 20, 30 times being in the hospital, maybe going to rehab, the cost was so much more. And that’s what would have happened had she not had the pacemaker.

OBAMA: Well, and that’s a good example of where — if we’ve got experts who are looking at this, and they are advising doctors across the board that the pacemaker may ultimately save money, then we potentially could have done that faster. I mean, this can cut both ways. The point is, we want to use science, we want doctors and — and medical experts to be making decisions that all too often right now are driven by skewed policies, by out-dated means of reimbursement, or by insurance companies. And everybody’s families, I think, have had to experience this in one way or another. That’s — that’s the reason we need reform right now.

The whole transcript is here if you want to dig through it:

http://criticalpolitics.wordpress.com/


16 posted on 07/21/2009 2:58:21 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Houghton M.

I will certainly try to find it..hope it was in the title of a thread here on FR.


17 posted on 07/21/2009 3:01:51 PM PDT by Republic (Uhbama has sleezed and schmoozed his way through life-he is a silly little boy with inmmature dreams)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Thanks. Verrrrrrrrry interesting.


18 posted on 07/21/2009 3:07:35 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

“And you’re absolutely right that, if it’s my family member, it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care. But here’s the problem that we have in our current health care system, is that there is a whole bunch of care that’s being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier.”

In this part he’s speaking in hypotheticals—”my family member” means “this is what anyone would want if it was that person’s family needing health care.” This doesn’t seem to be what Petro was referring to. Perhaps it’s elsewhere in the transcript.

But you are right about rambling B.S.


19 posted on 07/21/2009 3:11:00 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: perfect_rovian_storm; Republic; Petro

Sorry, my initial question was directed to Republic who said Obama lost credibility for him/her when Obama said “No, I want the best health care for my family” or something like that. Petro responded, so I responded to Petro rather than Republic. And perfect rovian then offered the long transcript which is interesting but may or may not offer a smoking gun.

My question remains—did Obama ever explicitly say that his family won’t be covered under the health care plan he’s staking his whole political future on?


20 posted on 07/21/2009 3:14:21 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Yes, he did. I will try to find it.


21 posted on 07/21/2009 3:16:13 PM PDT by Republic (Uhbama has sleezed and schmoozed his way through life-he is a silly little boy with inmmature dreams)
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To: Houghton M.

Oh I see...no you were clear, I didn’t notice who your note was addressed to. I know what you mean about that Obama quote referenced by “Republic” I hadn’t heard that one either. BHO is a real piece of work isn’t he?


22 posted on 07/21/2009 4:27:10 PM PDT by Petro
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I missed it...is uhbama in full self pity mode? (I hope :^)


23 posted on 07/21/2009 7:17:03 PM PDT by Republic (Uhbama has sleezed and schmoozed his way through life-he is a silly little boy with inmmature dreams)
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To: Republic

Do you have a source for this statement in your Post #2?

“No, I want the best care for my family.”

I Googled the quote and there is only one instance — yours.


24 posted on 07/22/2009 7:52:28 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
Nope. There is a utube video of his response to a reporters question regarding whether or not he would be under the same plan as the rest of us. I will see if it is still up...they have a way of disappearing.

But that arrogant arse said it, I heard if first on the radio.

25 posted on 07/22/2009 7:54:56 AM PDT by Republic (Uhbama has sleezed and schmoozed his way through life-he is a silly little boy with inmmature dreams)
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To: Beckwith
Found the town hall meeting where his words might have inspired the "I want my family to have the BEST care!" and the reason why he would never have to worry about it...just like the unions will never have to because they are exempt from being taxed or fined over health care (as a reward for giving obama money), and just like congress is exempt.

Obama Health Care Plan Not the Gold Standard He Promised in Campaign?

Flopping Aces ^ | 06-25-09 | Mike's America

Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:28:59 PM by Starman417

If not, then why does the current bill exempt Members of Congress? "If you don't have health insurance, you'll be able to get the same kind of health insurance Members of Congress get for themselves." --Barack Obama, "Closing Argument" speech, Canton, Ohio, October 26, 2008

In a rare moment during last night's Democrat Party health care infomercial on ABC, President Obama was challenged by Dr. Orrin Devinsky, a neurologist and researcher at the New York University Langone Medical Center.

Dr. Devinsky asked if Obama's wife or one of his daughters was sick and the plan the President proposed limited tests and treatments, would Obama "potentially sacrifice the health of your family for the greater good of insuring millions, or would you do everything you possibly could as a father and husband to get the best health care and outcome for your family?" The short answer (something that is difficult for Obama) is "no. He would do whatever it takes."

26 posted on 07/22/2009 9:06:00 AM PDT by Republic (Uhbama has sleezed and schmoozed his way through life-he is a silly little boy with inmmature dreams)
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