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Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee: Who Gets Your Vote?
The Stir at CafeMom ^ | December 13, 2010 | Julie Marsh

Posted on 12/13/2010 4:37:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Supporters of Sarah Palin seem to view her as the second coming of Christ, and given her self-appointed code name of "North Star," it seems that she agrees with them. Speculation on a 2012 presidential run by Palin almost sounds as if her candidacy is divinely ordained.

Next thing we know, she'll tell us she was born in a barn because all the hospital beds were occupied.

Not so fast, cautions Politics Daily. Mike Huckabee could pose fierce competition for Sarah Palin, even among those Republicans who, inexplicably, think she's a well-qualified candidate.

Ever play that game on long road trips where you have to choose between two seemingly equally horrible scenarios, like giving a 20-minute speech in front of your high school graduating class while naked or subsisting entirely on bugs for a month? That's how I view a choice between Palin and Huckabee. I'll take what's behind door number three, thanks.

No, really? I have to choose? Then it's got to be Huckabee. (How's that for a campaign slogan? It's got to be Huckabee. Copyrighting that now.)

He's as socially conservative as she is, or perhaps even more so given his ministry. He's a FOX News commentator like she is. He drops his g's occasionally, though less often than she does. But who's more qualified? Hands down, Mike Huckabee. Furthermore, who would I rather have representing our country in the world? Huckabee.

I'm admittedly impressed by Politics Daily's recap of how, as Arkansas governor, "Huckabee faced a legislature with 89 Democrats out of 100 legislators in the House and only four Republicans in the 35-seat Senate. Yet, Huckabee found a way to govern." Palin knows how to govern people who agree with her. Governing those who may not march in lockstep requires more finesse.

With the advent of the Tea Party, plus the ostracizing and name-calling within the Republican party, a successful GOP candidate will have to bridge those gaps, as well as work with Democrats. Huckabee demonstrated he could do that at the state level. Palin isn't interested in working with anyone who doesn't agree with her, and her governing style at a national level would appear to be more dictatorial than consensus-building.

Huckabee's personable and has the same sort of beer-drinking, pretzel-munching, football-watching appeal that George W. Bush did, but he's far more well-spoken than the former president. Palin attempts to cultivate that ability to connect with people, but hers is a caricature of Huckabee's, and it arouses suspicion. Those who love her are convinced they know her, but the rest of us aren't so sure.

Play along with me (Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Socialists, even you commie pinkos -- everyone's welcome): Naked speech, or bugs for lunch? Huckabee or Palin?


TOPICS: Arkansas; Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 2012; freepressforpalin; huckabee; huckloserstuffagain; palin; pardonmegovernor
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To: Drew68

My concern is this. I think that if Palin takes the primary and gets the nomination that the GOP will endorse someone else.


151 posted on 12/13/2010 9:14:37 PM PST by Netizen
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To: editor-surveyor

Huck has about as much chance of winning a nomination as Ralph Nader (and we know his record, he had to run on some obscure party ticket).

I agree, the Huckster is about as conservative as Romney, and that really isn’t conservative.


152 posted on 12/13/2010 9:16:24 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"The moment Huckster gets the nomination, the media will unload with stories about his pardons, corruption, and fiscally liberal policies."

Exactly! - Huck is damaged goods, and would be a snap to defeat. The MSM will be behind him in the primaries for sure.

153 posted on 12/13/2010 9:18:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Netizen

> “I think that if Palin takes the primary and gets the nomination that the GOP will endorse someone else.”

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You simply do not understand American politics.

The nominee IS the GOP!
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154 posted on 12/13/2010 9:21:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Netizen
My concern is this. I think that if Palin takes the primary and gets the nomination that the GOP will endorse someone else.

No they won't. If she gets that far, she'll get a begrudging endorsement from the GOP establishment.

The real fear is in the reverse; that she doesn't win the primary and people start a write-in campaign. This would be doomed.

155 posted on 12/13/2010 9:21:44 PM PST by Drew68
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To: PhiloBedo
I agree, the Huckster is about as conservative as Romney, and that really isn’t conservative.

The Huckster is a rare species; a pro-life liberal. Nothing more.

156 posted on 12/13/2010 9:25:39 PM PST by Drew68
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To: editor-surveyor

I don’t trust the GOP! PERIOD. I think they will go out of their way to work against Palin if she gets the nomination. She is not in their best interest, otherwise they wouldn’t keep pushing RINOS down our throats.


157 posted on 12/13/2010 9:26:42 PM PST by Netizen
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To: Drew68
No they won't. If she gets that far, she'll get a begrudging endorsement from the GOP establishment.

I hope you're right. I just don't trust the GOP at all.

158 posted on 12/13/2010 9:28:24 PM PST by Netizen
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To: CaliforniaCon
Neither Palin nor Huckabee —

I guess you just forgot to mention the most vile, disgusting candidate of all.

159 posted on 12/13/2010 10:14:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie; ansel12
Neither Huckabee or Palin have what it takes to be a strong Conservative Presidential candidate. What we need now is someone who will say “damn the torpedos! full speed ahead” and MEAN it. Let the extremist comments roll! This country is in trouble and needs to get back to basics, fast!

Chris Christie in 2012!


Boy are you ignorant.

Christie is soft on the Cap-n-Trade scam.

Christie wants to give Illegals some sort of Amnesty.

Christie is weak on the 2nd amendment.

Christie endorsed uber-RINO Mike Castle


160 posted on 12/13/2010 10:17:56 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Drew68
The real fear is in the reverse; that she doesn't win the primary and people start a write-in campaign.

Too late..your fear has already been realized.

Much of the GOP base have observed the way the GOP establishment (who are centrists & liberals) have been consistently trying to strangle Palin in her crib...since the 08 McCain campaign.

Therefore when/if she runs and loses the primary...they will not work for the candidate, and probably will stay home.

Knowing that beating an incumbent Pres is rare, and would be extraordinary to beat a well protected black man like Obama anyway.
161 posted on 12/13/2010 10:36:46 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: GOPJ
I was around for Reagan, Palin has its worse than Reagan and Palin has been more vetted!
162 posted on 12/14/2010 2:12:07 AM PST by factmart
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Looks like I’m in good company!

:-)


163 posted on 12/14/2010 4:54:40 AM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Neither one.


164 posted on 12/14/2010 6:44:29 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am willing to go out on a limb and suggest that 65 to 70% of “voting” America has no idea who Mike Huckabee is.

I want a conservative president who shows some passion and is a lightening rod.


165 posted on 12/14/2010 7:07:25 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE; Wingy; BwanaNdege

It’s an opinion and I’m entitled to it, or don’t you three believe in free speech?

Instead of presenting a reasonable argument for your favorite POTUS candidate, you hurl insults at me without knowing a darn thing about me or who I am. You’re making a big mistake and if you can’t see it now, I can assure you it will be the actions of folks like you who WILL cost Palin the election even if she turns out to be the best candidate.

I’ll explain:

I’ve been active in politics for 40 years. I’m well known in IL for my activism in the Tea Party and in trying to get RINOs out of the IL GOP. I also hold a tiny bit of influence over the IA GOP committee, one that is crucial to any POTUS candidate.

FYI: I made over 100 phone calls to the McCain camp in 2008 to try to get Palin on the ticket because back then, I really liked her. By using insults instead of reason in your posts, you alienate people like me who if convinced, could make a big difference in a state which overwhelmingly favors Democrats, precisely because I am active and get out there to make a difference. I don’t just sit on my keester and post on forums all day.

This is the same mistake Ron Paul supporters made. Not that I like Paul for POTUS (I don’t) or that he might have stood a chance (I don’t think he did) - that’s not the point. If you look at why many people turned away from Paul as a candidate, you’ll find it was due to the actions and words of his SUPPORTERS, not the candidate himself. Because of their thoroughly obnoxious behavior, we now have a new word in our lexicon - Paultards. I assure you that if you continue bashing good conservatives with insults and foul language, a new word will be coined in 2012 - Palintards.

Don’t go there. Develop a good argument and be prepared to back it up with proof. Otherwise, you’ll wind up causing damage to Palin instead of helping her.

The election is still almost two years away. There are potentially many candidates out there who are not RINOs, who are not Romney or Huckabee. Nobody has officially announced yet, including Palin. I’m waiting to see who jumps in. It is still possible I may come around to viewing Palin as viable. Should that happen, I’ll throw my money and support behind her.

However, if I see the same type of crowd forming behind her as those who supported Ron Paul, with continual harrassment and insults and nasty pile-on flaming on forums like this one, I assure you I’ll do everything in my power to make sure she loses.

Your choice folks. You draw a lot more flies with honey than vinegar. My suggestion: Don’t become Palintards.


166 posted on 12/14/2010 8:11:40 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: remaxagnt

He was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.


167 posted on 12/14/2010 8:50:05 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: WestSylvanian

Well said.


168 posted on 12/14/2010 8:51:03 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem is with Obama, not some inate short-coming in a Senator becoming president. This guy is just a clueless ideologue. Thune is a smart conservative who’d implement conservative policies. Obama’s failed because he’s a Marxist, not because he was a Senator. That and his only other experience was hanging flyers on phone poles and calling it a “community organizer.”


169 posted on 12/14/2010 8:54:45 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: MissesBush

one or both of his parents were not born here so there for he is NOT natural born.


170 posted on 12/14/2010 8:58:13 AM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

None of the above.


171 posted on 12/14/2010 10:41:02 AM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Leader_Of_The _Conservatives; 2ndDivisionVet
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172 posted on 12/14/2010 10:43:22 AM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: remaxagnt

The constitution in no way makes the exclusion you claim in defining what constitutes a “natural born citizen.”

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): In this case, the majority of the Court held that a child born in U.S. territory to parents who were subjects of the emperor of China and who were not eligible for U.S. citizenship, but who had “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China” was a U.S. Citizen.
The Court stated that:

The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.’[11]

Since the Constitution does not specify what the requirements are to be a “citizen” or a “natural born citizen”, the majority adopted the common law of England:

The court ruled:

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.


173 posted on 12/14/2010 11:05:50 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Jindal to me is anything but bland. He’s actually more dynamic of a speaker than Huckabee. But even assuming he won’t go back on his “not running” pledge, there are plenty of other solid conservatives we could run in 2012 who don’t have the baggage Palin has. I want to spend 2012 on the offensive against Obama’s failed presidency, not defending Palin against Levi Johnson.


174 posted on 12/14/2010 11:26:37 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: ansel12

Re: “I guess you just forgot to mention the most vile, disgusting candidate of all.”

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I don’t know who you are referring to — I kind of like Pence, Thune and would welcome Chris Christie if he were interested. There are so many who seem to be interested in running —

I’m not interested in the old standbys — Gingrich, Romney, Huckabee, et al.............


175 posted on 12/14/2010 11:39:33 AM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: SoConPubbie

Chris Christi is one of the few Republicans I’ve seen who really “gets it” when it comes to the economy. It doesn’t matter what you think, I think, Libs think, Muslims think, or anyone else until everyone grasps this all-important fact: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY! No more money for political posturing, no more money for special interests. Libtard Progressive or Conservative, it doesn’t matter at this point. Chris Cristie knows the buck stopped a while back. No one wanted to acknowledge it. Extrem fiscal conservatism is the only method that is going to come close to saving this economy and that’s going to take a huge amount of moxy and stick-to-itiveness. Chris Cristie has those in spades.
But maybe you’re one of those shallow ponderers who think he’s just too fat, huh?


176 posted on 12/14/2010 1:00:14 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: SoConPubbie
Chris Christi is one of the few Republicans I've seen who really “gets it” when it comes to the economy. It doesn't matter what you think, I think, Libs think, Muslims think, or anyone else until everyone grasps this all-important fact: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY! No more money for political posturing, no more money for special interests. Libtard Progressive or Conservative, it doesn't matter at this point. Chris Cristie knows the buck stopped a while back. No one wanted to acknowledge it. Extreme fiscal conservatism is the only method that is going to come close to saving this economy and that's going to take a huge amount of moxy and stick-to-itiveness. Chris Cristie has those in spades.
But maybe you're one of those shallow ponderers who think he's just too fat, huh?
177 posted on 12/14/2010 1:03:41 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: MissesBush
I really like Jindal.

I have a suggestion. I think anyone that seeks the Republican nomination, should have to appear on national TV and have a debate with Condoleeza Rice.

If you can hold you're own against her, then you're viable.

Condi Rice is my litmus test. Could this person have the presence and ability to be the boss of someone like her.
178 posted on 12/14/2010 3:00:49 PM PST by Stourme
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To: ansel12
Wow, you won't vote for a member of our conservative champions, the Evangelicals, members of the Protestant Christian faith, and the backbone of American conservatism.

That picture is not something you should be spreading around if you want to have Sarah Palin elected. To a lot of people it's quite creepy.

1. I want conservatives elected.
2. I would prefer someone that follows Jesus Christ.
3. You can be both with out stylizing yourself as an "Evangelical."

Evangelicals have a history of attitudes and behaviors that I don't want in my president. Or in any office that has the power to effect my family.

So no, I won't vote for one.
179 posted on 12/14/2010 3:30:45 PM PST by Stourme
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To: apoxonu

Your post makes me question your conservatism.


180 posted on 12/14/2010 4:12:21 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Stourme

To lefty’s and anti-Christians it probably is upsetting, conservatives and Christians love it.

What people can’t stand is that scum ball Mitt Romney, they won’t vote for the guy.


181 posted on 12/14/2010 6:59:27 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Stourme
I really like Jindal.

As a devout Catholic, Jindal may have problems winning the Mormon vote since the Catholic church is adamant that Mormons are not Christians, and that they are a polytheistic non-Christian religion created by a Smith guy in the 1800s.

182 posted on 12/14/2010 7:04:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Stourme

Condi Rice should never have anything to do with any conservative, she and that entire rino crowd needs to just fade away from the political scene forever.


183 posted on 12/14/2010 7:06:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

What about social issues?


184 posted on 12/14/2010 7:09:36 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: CaliforniaCon

Romney is the other front runner.


185 posted on 12/14/2010 7:14:26 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Netizen

If the number was significant, it might mean the end of the republican party (to be replaced by something else). It has happened before... but it is not a likely outcome. That said, I’m a conservative before I’m a republican.


186 posted on 12/14/2010 9:35:43 PM PST by csivils
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NEITHER.


187 posted on 12/15/2010 11:20:27 PM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! ~ DeMint, 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Are you KIDDING? If I had a gun to my head, I’d take the bullet rather than cast a vote for that phony schmuckabee.


188 posted on 12/15/2010 11:23:09 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: apoxonu
Palin would be fighting upstream from one attack after another from the left, dominating the news cycle 24/7.

What true conservative candidate wouldn't be? And she knows how.

189 posted on 12/16/2010 2:47:36 PM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: ansel12

What about social issues, you ask? The American people recognized the most pressing and alarming problems of America and had their say in the November elections. Fiscal reforms and responsibilities will have to come first.

After that, the American people will also let their desires be known as to social issues that come in a close second. What will be different(hopefully) is that Congress and the President will be more open to what the American people really think and want as opposed to the Socialist/Marxist agenda that the Democrats and Obama have tried to push down our throats for the past two years. They have known that they were going against the majority principle and desires as was demonstrated by their underhanded and secretive way of gaining ground on their agendas.

America is awake and, hopefully, will stay that way. Pressing social issues will be worked out in the same way that fiscal matters will be in the near future; by the mandates of the American people, not for the enrichment and power of politicians. A wise President and a wise Congress will recognize that fact. Today’s developements are encouraging that such facts are being recognized by Congress and Obama as well.


190 posted on 12/17/2010 11:22:41 AM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

Social conservatives just won the 2010 election cycle. Conservatives even knocked off social liberal, Republican incumbents.

Conservatives will only support conservatives, not social liberals like Christie and Daniels that are liberal on some issues, and conservative on others.


191 posted on 12/17/2010 11:36:11 AM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: ansel12

ansel12
Conservatives will only support conservatives, not social liberals like Christie and Daniels that are liberal on some issues, and conservative on others.
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I suppose I would concede to that statement ansel12. However, Conservatives know they can never have a perfect world. If that were true, John McCain would now be homeward bound.

Christie will be useful because of the toughness he has demonstrated in matters of finance. A Conservative majority can place its players where they are most talented and reign in their more undesirable leanings. A majority doesn’t always mean complete consensus. That would be wonderful but it’s a little unrealistic to hope that will happen.


192 posted on 12/17/2010 6:16:41 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

Christie is too liberal for the presidency, and really has no place in the 2012 race discussion, at least among conservatives.

McCain was the choice of you moderates before, except for those of you that preferred Mitt Romney, just think, you have a chance for Romney again.

Governor Palin is the desired choice for Republicans and conservatives.


193 posted on 12/17/2010 6:44:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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