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At least she plays one on TV (Comparing Rep. Bachmann and Gov. Palin's records)
Renew America ^ | July 11, 2011 | Helen Valois

Posted on 07/11/2011 1:42:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: org.whodat

Sarah is anything but quiet. She’s been speaking out on her own against Øbama from the day after the election in 2008. BTW she was elected and re-elected Mayor of Wasilla and also elected and re-elected to Wasilla City Council as well as elected Governor. The last two are executive, decision making positions.

Watch the video at the link posted below and tell me that the person giving that speech isn’t running for President.

http://www.therightscoop.com/live-watch-sarah-palin-at-wisconsin-tea-party/


81 posted on 07/11/2011 6:33:09 PM PDT by curth (Sarah Palin: THE Genuine Article - Accept No Cheap Imitation)
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To: Gargantua
Rather than lash out at the messenger,

Which is EXACTLY what you did...

you might consider reevaluating the usefulness of your irrational hatred

Point to proof of my "hatred".

for this selfless American hero.

Hero? Are you serious?

Whom does it harm more; her, ...or you?

The only harm on this thread has come from you. You have displayed hatred towards me by your words. I have been critical of a public figure, but in your smallness, you have tried to make it about me.

82 posted on 07/11/2011 6:37:00 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: parksstp

I think you forgot that 59,934,814 voted for Palin in 2008.


83 posted on 07/11/2011 6:38:08 PM PDT by curth (Sarah Palin: THE Genuine Article - Accept No Cheap Imitation)
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To: Lakeshark

And if Bachmann was the head of a committee in congress people here would be bitching she’s part of the GOP DC establishment and not to be trusted.


84 posted on 07/11/2011 6:40:51 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: curth

Not quite. Not every R vote was for Palin. I don’t even think Palin would be that arrogant to assuem all republican votes were for her.


85 posted on 07/11/2011 6:42:19 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: ejdrapes

No, but republican voters overwhelmingly saw her as having helped the ticket.


86 posted on 07/11/2011 6:45:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ejdrapes
"Palin: Uninspiring Tax Policy Record"


There are a lot of issues in her record that are "uninspiring" from a conservative perspective. Support for the Law of the Sea Treaty in 2007 while Governor is the biggest issue, but there are others such as issuing the EO creating a climate change panel that endorsed notions like carbon registries and caps, support for the Bush backed TARP while criticizing the House GOP members who opposed it, initial support for the "Bridge to Nowhere" before the Congress killed funding for it. The large debt she left behind after her stint as Mayor in Wasilla. She was active in requesting earmarks as Governor, and according the the Seattle Times, in 2008 alone "she sent to Sen. Ted. Stevens a proposal for 31 earmarks totaling $197 million — more, per person, than any other state". The group Taxpayers for Common Sense has numerous such examples of her proclivity for spending on its website. Support for Title IX funding is another matter. The announcement that she was to be McCain's running mate was greeted with enthusiasm by the Alaska NEA. I cannot picture any such liberal group being happy with Michele Bachmann. Sarah has a charismatic personality and can inspire a crowd, but she is nowhere near to being an ideologically consistent conservative.
87 posted on 07/11/2011 6:48:23 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Psalm 144
Oh, a lot of stuff. The fact he wrote a book with a bunch of garbage in it (Liberty Defined) and launched a campaign on freedom of religion equaling freedom to use drugs thing and "Did we violate Pakistan's sovereignty when we after Bin Laden?" Not to mention, to question the wisdom of the Dear Leader, or to have a positive opinion of other Presidential candidates (unless they are Dennis Kucinich), makes you the subject of heresy trials in the Ron Paul movement. For instance, I got negative reputation points by a moderator on Ron Paul Forums because I suggested that Ron Paul is the one ultimately responsible for getting himself elected President. Apparently, I should have been doing more for the Dear Leader. I am in the top 30 posters on Ron Paul Forums, btw. Many of the Ron Paul supporters I know in person aren't much better.

Also, Palin becoming a good alternative in my sight didn't help Paul's cause at all. I liked her back before McCain picked her for VP, and she was actually really popular amongst Ron Paul supporters before that moment, but it became dogma to not like her. I figured out that was bogus, so I was finally like "well, I guess I support Palin now, I just hope she runs."

The list could go on. Suffice it to say, it wasn't a spur of the moment decision.

88 posted on 07/11/2011 6:49:49 PM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: parksstp
LOL, you are not playing fair when you use actual facts, instead of the I feel crowd.
89 posted on 07/11/2011 6:50:36 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: raybbr; tuckrdout

Actually that is one of her best and bold actions, and she does a great job describing it in her book, I guess that no one has gotten around yet to put together a response to an accusation that wasn’t anticipated, because of it’s ignorance.


90 posted on 07/11/2011 6:55:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ejdrapes

Every one of those votes was for Palin. You couldn’t vote for one without the other. No assumption at all. Just fact.


91 posted on 07/11/2011 7:01:42 PM PDT by curth (Sarah Palin: THE Genuine Article - Accept No Cheap Imitation)
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To: org.whodat; parksstp

Being able to win a Congressional district must be why Ron Paul, Sheila Jackson Lee, Duncan Hunter, and other famous Congress people could have won state wide office any time they wanted.


92 posted on 07/11/2011 7:06:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: rob777
initial support for the "Bridge to Nowhere" before the Congress killed funding for it.

Yes, Palin Did Stop That Bridge, by Senator Jim DeMint, Wall Street Journal.

93 posted on 07/11/2011 7:09:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: RecoveringPaulisto

Thanks for your answer. You confirm some suspicions that I had. While he says much that is absolutely correct, some things are . . . odd, and there is a cultish devotion with -many- of his supporters.


94 posted on 07/11/2011 7:11:40 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: rob777

You really are using old liberal talking points that have been answered here many times over the years.

I can see that we will have to go back and dig up the old stuff from 2008 and 2009, and start all over with you.

It seems boring, tedious, and will be repetitious, and it is the reason that trolls are disliked.


95 posted on 07/11/2011 7:14:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12
Crazy, post of the day. Do you have some secret admiration and or desire for lee???
96 posted on 07/11/2011 7:18:49 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: rob777
She was active in requesting earmarks as Governor, and according the the Seattle Times, in 2008 alone "she sent to Sen. Ted. Stevens a proposal for 31 earmarks totaling $197 million — more, per person, than any other state". The group Taxpayers for Common Sense has numerous such examples of her proclivity for spending on its website.

"But, you know, when you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can't just make stuff up." -- Barack Obama, Sept. 6, 2008

JIM DEMINT:
"Mrs. Palin used her veto pen to slash more local projects than any other governor in the state's history. She cut nearly 10% of Alaska's budget this year, saving state residents $268 million. This included vetoing a $30,000 van for Campfire USA and $200,000 for a tennis court irrigation system. She succinctly justified these cuts by saying they were "not a state responsibility."

Mrs. Palin cut Alaska's federal earmark requests in half last year, one of the strongest moves against earmarks by any governor. It took real leadership to buck Alaska's decades-long earmark addiction.

Mrs. Palin also killed the infamous Bridge to Nowhere in her own state. Yes, she once supported the project: But after witnessing the problems created by earmarks for her state and for the nation's budget, she did what others like me have done: She changed her position and saved taxpayers millions. Even the Alaska Democratic Party credits her with killing the bridge.

When the Senate had its chance to stop the Bridge to Nowhere and transfer the money to Katrina rebuilding, Messrs. Obama and Biden voted for the $223 million earmark, siding with the old boys' club in the Senate. And to date, they still have not publicly renounced their support for the infamous earmark.

Mrs. Palin has proven courageous by taking on big spenders in her own party. In March of this year, the Anchorage Daily News reported that, "Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens is aggravated about what he sees as Gov. Sarah Palin's antagonism toward the earmarks he uses to steer federal money to the state."

Mr. Obama is vulnerable on this issue, and he knows it. That is why he is lashing out at Mrs. Palin and trying to hide his own record.

Mrs. Palin is one of the strongest antiearmark governors in America."

97 posted on 07/11/2011 7:25:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: rob777

It may appear uninspiring when you cherry pick what you want and leave out the rest of the story. You could do that with anyone’s record and make it look “uninspiring”. It looks a lot better without the twist.

Some substantiated facts with out the twist of lie:

Conveniently left out:

Elected to two terms of Wasilla City Council .. four years.

Appointed and named chair of the commission and ethics supervisor for the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission...... one year

Palin as Mayor of Wasilla:

Motivated by concerns that revenue from a new Wasilla sales tax would not be spent wisely,[42] Palin ran for mayor of Wasilla in 1996, defeating INCUMBENT mayor John Stein.

Using income generated by a 2% sales tax that had been approved by Wasilla voters in October 1992,Palin cut property taxes by 75% and eliminated personal property and business inventory taxes. Using municipal bonds, she made improvements to the roads and sewers, and increased funding to the Police Department. She also oversaw new bike paths and procured funding for storm-water treatment to protect freshwater resources. At the same time, she shrank the local museum’s budget and deterred talk of a new library and city hall.She created the position of city administrator. and reduced her own $68,000 salary by 10%, although by mid-1998 this was reversed by the city council.

During her second term as mayor, Palin proposed and promoted the construction of a municipal sports center to be financed by a 0.5% sales tax increase and $14.7 million bond issue. Voters approved the measure by a 20 vote margin and the Wasilla Multi-Use Sports Complex was built on time and under budget. However, the city spent an additional $1.3 million because of an eminent domain lawsuit caused by the failure to obtain clear title to the property before beginning construction.The city’s long-term debt grew from about $1 million to $25 million due to $15 million for the sports complex, $5.5 million for street projects, and $3 million for water improvement projects. The Wall Street Journal characterized the project as a “financial mess.” A city council member defended the spending increases as being caused by the city’s growth during that time.

Palin also joined with nearby communities in hiring the Anchorage-based lobbying firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh to lobby for federal funds. The firm secured nearly $8 million in earmarks for the Wasilla city government,including $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, and $900,000 for sewer repairs.

In 2008, Wasilla’s current mayor credited Palin’s 75 percent property tax cuts and infrastructure improvements with bringing “big-box stores” and 50,000 SHOPPERS A DAY to Wasilla.

Chair of the commission and ethics supervisor for the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission...... one year.

Appointed and named chair of the commission and ethics supervisor for the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission...... one year

Governor Murkowski offered a number of jobs to Palin, and in February 2003, she accepted an appointment to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which oversees Alaska’s oil and gas fields for safety and efficiency. Although she had little background in the area, she said she wanted to learn more about the oil industry, and was named chair of the commission and ethics supervisor. By November 2003 she was filing non-public ethics complaints with the state attorney general and the governor against a fellow commission member, Randy Ruedrich, a former petroleum engineer and the current chair of the state Republican Party. He was forced to resign in November 2003. Palin resigned in January 2004 and put her protests against Ruedrich’s “lack of ethics” into the public arena by filing a public complaint against Ruedrich, who was then fined $12,000. She also joined with Democratic legislator Eric Croft in complaining that Gregg Renkes, a former Alaskan Attorney General, had a financial conflict of interest in negotiating a coal exporting trade agreement.Renkes also resigned his post.

From 2003 to June 2005, Palin served as one of three directors of “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,” a 527 group designed to provide political training for Republican women in Alaska.In 2004, Palin told the Anchorage Daily News that she had decided not to run for the U.S. Senate that year against the Republican incumbent Lisa Murkowski because her teenage son opposed it. Palin said, “How could I be the team mom if I was a U.S. Senator?”

Palin as governor of Alaska...2 yrs, seven months.

In 2006, running on a clean-government platform, Palin defeated INCUMBENT Governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary.In the November election, Palin was outspent but victorious, defeating Democratic FORMER governor Tony Knowles by a margin of 48.3% to 40.9%.She took office on December 4, 2006, and for most of her term was very popular with Alaska voters. Polls taken in 2007 showed her with 93% and 89% popularity among all voters, which led some media outlets to call her “the most popular governor in America.”

Her first legislative action after taking office was to push for a bipartisan ethics reform bill. She signed the resulting legislation in July 2007, calling it a “first step,” and declaring that she remained determined to clean up Alaska politics.

Palin promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska, including drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). Proposals to drill for oil in ANWR have been the subject of a national debate

In June 2007, Palin signed a record $6.6 billion operating budget into law. At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects, and reduced the construction budget to $1.6 billion.

In 2008, Palin vetoed $286 million, cutting or reducing funding for 350 projects from the FY09 capital budget.

Palin followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Westwind II jet, a purchase made by the Murkowski administration for $2.7 million in 2005 against the wishes of the legislature. In August 2007, the jet was listed on eBay, but the sale fell through, and the plane was later sold for $2.1 million through a private brokerage firm.She also chose not to use the former governor’s private chef.

While there is no sales tax or income tax in Alaska, state revenues doubled to $10 billion in 2008. For the 2009 budget, Palin gave a list of 31 proposed federal earmarks or requests for funding, totaling $197 million, to Alaska Senator Ted Stevens.Palin has stated that her decreasing support for federal funding was a source of friction between her and the state’s congressional delegation; Palin requested less in federal funding each year than her predecessor Frank Murkowski requested in his last year.

In August 2008, Palin signed a bill authorizing the State of Alaska to award TransCanada Pipelines — the sole bidder to meet the state’s requirements — a license to build and operate a pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada. The governor also pledged $500 million in seed money to support the project. It is estimated that the project will cost $26 billion.Newsweek described the project as “the principal achievement of Sarah Palin’s term as Alaska’s governor.” The pipeline faces legal challenges from Canadian First Nations

Governor Palin created a new oil profit sharing plan called “Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share” (ACES) — which improves incentives for developing new resources. It ensures the state does well in boom times — as it is doing now — when oil prices are high. But it also hedges against low prices in the future by ensuring that oil companies exposed to commodity price swings don’t face a crushing tax burden when commodity prices fall.

Her plan includes an escalator clause that gives the state a larger share of revenues when oil prices rise. This is common to production-sharing agreements all over the world.

We all know why she resigned.

You see when you cherry pick the things you want that will paint the picture you want, you can create any kind of image you want, and even though some of the things you say may be true, without the proper context they are misleading.
After you fill in the blanks though, it’s damn inspiring.

Governor Palin isn’t perfect ,nor is her record , but it’s far better than any of the pretenders running for the Republican nomination and a million times better than the moron currently in the White House and one to be proud of and every conservative should strive to equal.

BTW, here is the truth about the “Bridge To Nowhere”.

http://www.cagw.org/newsroom/releases/2008/ccagw-bridging-the-knowledge.html

The Law Of The Sea Treaty is a moot point as you are quoting her from 2007 and nothing has been done in the years that came after.

Bottom line is she makes things happen and gets things done.


98 posted on 07/11/2011 7:28:08 PM PDT by curth (Sarah Palin: THE Genuine Article - Accept No Cheap Imitation)
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To: org.whodat

You were the one supporting the crazy idea that winning a congressional seat was harder and more meaningful in electoral politics than winning state wide office or being elected Governor of a state.


99 posted on 07/11/2011 7:28:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12
"You really are using old liberal talking points that have been answered here many times over the years."


When did liberals ever bring up her support for LOST, or Title IX funding, or the Executive Order creating a climate change panel which gave a nod to carbon caps and registries? When Sarah was first announced as McCain's running mate, the Alaska NEA actually expressed their approval. Some of these criticisms I heard from conservatives long before the left started in on attacking her. For quite a while I defended her because I thought that she had the potential to become a conservative champion. Finally, these points were not "answered", but merely explained away. I went along with the defense at the time because I thought that she had conservative instincts and would come around on these points. I have never heard her reverse course on any of these issues and have given up hope that she will.
100 posted on 07/11/2011 7:32:55 PM PDT by rob777
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