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Sarah Palin's Vague Debt Threat
The National Journal ^ | July 29, 2011 | John Hudson

Posted on 07/28/2011 11:37:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

This afternoon Sarah Palin issued a vague threat to freshman Republicans just ahead of the House vote on a bill to reduce the deficit and raise the debt ceiling. Does Palin want Republicans to vote it down? She wouldn't say precisely. On her Facebook page, Palin cited quotations from a 2010 letter she issued to Republicans reminding them that they "campaigned on a promise to rein in out-of-control government spending... promises that you must keep." She punctuated her reminder with an ominous post script: "P.S. Everyone I talk to still believes in contested primaries."

So does that mean she's threatening to run hard-right candidates against Republicans who vote for the bill supported by House Speaker Boehner in the next election? A number of conservative Republicans were upset that the GOP's Cut Cap and Balance bill was abandoned. But those left puzzling over her Facebook postings were just as confused as we are.

Sheila Marikar at ABC News writes:

"That could be a threat -- suggesting that she won’t support members of Congress who vote to raise the debt ceiling – or a reference to her 2012 aspirations."

CNN's political unit:

"Palin, who is considering a bid for the White House in 2012, has said raising the debt ceiling is inevitable, but that Republicans "better get something out of it." She has also been a proponent of the "Cut, Cap, and Balance" pledge passed through the Republican-controlled House and failed in the Senate."

But Jim Geraghty at National Review has it all figured out:

"If she were any clearer, they would have woken up with horse’s heads in their beds this morning."

For Geraghty, it's clear she's asking them to vote against the Boehner bill. Giving Boehner a little support, he justifies the speaker's position.

Of course, in the eyes of John Boehner and his allies, his plan is the best remaining option to stick to the principles that propelled their campaigns, rein in out-of-control government spending, and so on. And it’s not like Boehner’s plan is generating much pats on the back from “the Left in the media.”


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; State and Local; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: boehner; congress; debtceiling; palin; sarahpalin; taxes; teaparty
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

51 posted on 07/29/2011 5:36:05 AM PDT by McGruff (I'm with the Tea Party, not the Republican Party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"If she were any clearer, they would have woken up with horse’s heads in their beds this morning."

ROFL

52 posted on 07/29/2011 5:50:35 AM PDT by McGruff (I'm with the Tea Party, not the Republican Party)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

They should be.

Mrs. Palin tells it like it is and has a really, large and powerful megaphone.

YES SHE CAN! YES SHE CAN! YES SHE CAN!

Doesn’t “Madame President” or “Mrs. President” have a nice ring to it ?


53 posted on 07/29/2011 5:59:39 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (What do you get when you add Obama to an economic depression ? O-ppression.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Mister Da

Maybe you didn’t unerstand my pont Yes, The House says what can and can’t be spent. But with that, no matter what they pass, they are NOT in control. Real control will not happen UNTIL WE control both houses and the presidency. THAT was my point. The government could shut now and chaos would reign but at what price? Riots in the streets? An opportunity for obama to order martial law? THEN what?
You seem tto think that the democrats would not absolutely welcome such a scenario. They are already planning for it.
There is evil going on in DC and we have to figure out HOW to stop it.
At this point, I honestly believe in my heart, and I have some pretty good company, that if we do NOT find at least a short term solution to this, a stall tactic to appease a CRAZY and vindictive obama until the next election, we will not HAVE another election.
No real solution is possible unless we win in 2012. But we have to get there. The damage the dems could do with the help of the thug unions and obama’s black constituency between now and then is too terrible to contemplate. And don’t think for one second that he would not rile them up because he would and it would be bloody. He doesn’t care what happens to this country. He doesn’t care about them, or you, or me.


54 posted on 07/29/2011 6:14:40 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: All

These are not normal times. We have a full blown enemy in the White House.


55 posted on 07/29/2011 6:18:23 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Terry Mross
Not that i am any proponent of Boehner after this circle jerk example of bidding against yourself BS, but the correct German pronunciation of Boehner is much closer to bay-ner than boner.
56 posted on 07/29/2011 7:16:01 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: eaglesiniowa

He spells it Boehner and pronounces it “bay-ner”. I spell it boner and pronounce it “bay-ner”


57 posted on 07/29/2011 7:17:47 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I guess you missed my last correction to you? She said she is not for the debt limit being raised, but that she believes they will raise it anyway! With that as the drop back, she says CCB is the best there is :)


58 posted on 07/29/2011 7:23:51 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (DID I MENTION...SARAH PALIN OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
s. alinski must be turning over in his grave!!

Here is a lady (brilliant, savy, conservative, and moral) heavily influencing an entire party - as a completely unannounced candidate - from her Facebook page.

Not only that, but she has both sides of the isle, most of the msm (both right and left) wondering, reporting, and generally guessing about who, what, where, when, how, etc.!

What an incredible person she is!!

59 posted on 07/29/2011 7:26:53 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
So what’s AIP’s plan?

No more borrowing. We've borrowed beyond what this generation can repay, and spending posterity's money is immoral. It robs them of their God-given, unalienable right to government by consent.

Cut every program and agency that isn't explicitly allowed by the Enumerated Powers.

The budget will balance.

Keep the oath of office and fulfill the crowning stated purpose of the Constitution: Secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity.

60 posted on 07/29/2011 8:25:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: MestaMachine
The arguments you make regarding shutdown, chaos, & riots are exactly the same arguments pols make every time. I do not buy it. The only chaos will be in WDC as the ruling class will be w/o Federal funds to insure their reelection.

Obama, under a suddenly balanced budget, will have some extremely hard choices to make. Given his track record, I think he will fail badly. He will be faced with the choice of funding the likes of ACORN, Planned Parenthood, & bogus green energy projects vs sending SS checks to seniors & unemployment checks to the jobless.

At current spending rates & debt ceiling increases - they are sure to rise - Boehner’s plan would cut $1T+ while the total debt increases $20T to $35T in 10 years. It wont take 10 years though as we will be in REAL, unavoidable default before then. I figure we wont get thru Obama’s second term w/o default. This is when martial law will be declared.

What I want to see is real, substantial, spending cuts that occur before any increase in the debt ceiling. I have ZERO respect for 10 year cuts, which are easily ignored in future budgets. I have ZERO respect for a Balanced Budget Amendment at this point. It is a fairytale to believe it would pass & be ratified in time to save this country.

Obamacare could easily be repealed & vastly improve the budget outlook, AND be welcome relief to employers & the job market. The less than useless Dept. of Education could be closed.

Finally, I ask: Why do you think Rats are so opposed to ANY spending cuts at all? Why are they determined to raise the debt ceiling w/o ANY cuts or limits?

My answer: Rats & RINOs desperately need this money to finance their (Obama’s) reelection & to maintain their hold on power. Any gutting of the Federal gov’t will fall overwhelmingly on Obama’s rank & file support. For gov’t workers, unions, contractors, & partisan NGOs, the money will stop flowing. This means that far less money will flow back into Obama’s & the Rat's campaigns & the leaches will have little incentive to support Obama. Without that money they cannot buy the election.

I see a lot of Freepers assume the Pubs will make substantial gains in the Senate & House in 2012. But if Obama & Co. buy the election, it is likely the Rats will retain the Senate & may make gains in the House. That puts us in exactly the same position in Jan. 2013 as now, only $2.7T deeper in debt, & has no pending election to limit his insanity.

61 posted on 07/29/2011 9:02:13 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"But with respect to future debt; would it not be wise and just for that nation to declare in the constitution they are forming that neither the legislature, nor the nation itself can validly contract more debt, than they may pay within their own age, or within the term of 19 years."

--Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, 1789


62 posted on 07/29/2011 9:03:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: Terry Mross

Whatever, its a free country, maybe.


63 posted on 07/29/2011 9:06:23 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: Mister Da

They will take to the streets. That is practically a given. I just hope we are ready for it because I agree with you. The winning at any cost has to end. Oversized government has got to end. I suppose if there MUST be a showdown, it might as well be now before our childen have to fight this fght years from now. Just do it and get it over with.


64 posted on 07/29/2011 9:12:44 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Ron H.
If it were only just that, a ONE time debt then this conservative would understand. The only problem I have with her backing of McCaniac is when does it stop?

I believe Palin spent one day back in March 2010, in Arizona, making a campaign appearance, making a radio commercial and doing a TV interview.

If you have any further evidence of support since then, please document it.

65 posted on 07/29/2011 9:48:41 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"If she were any clearer, they would have woken up with horse’s heads in their beds this morning."

This made me laugh out loud.

66 posted on 07/29/2011 9:50:53 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (Sarah Palin, will you be my President?)
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To: EternalVigilance

No, CCB would raise the ceiling 1.1 trillion.


67 posted on 07/29/2011 9:51:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor
You're wrong.


Broun Votes Against Cut, Cap, and Balance Bill; Urges More Immediate Action

Washington, Jul 19 -

Congressman Paul Broun, M.D. (GA-10) today released the following statement after voting against the Republican Cut, Cap, and Balance bill:

“I gave my word to my constituents in Georgia and to the rest of the American people that I would not vote for any bill that increases the debt limit. Although the Cut, Cap, and Balance bill is a step in the right direction, it still raises the debt ceiling by $2.4 trillion, and we simply cannot afford it.

“Also missing from the Cut, Cap, and Balance bill is the urgency to pay down the debt by immediately reducing the outrageous spending levels to which Washington has become so accustomed. Unfortunately, the cuts outlined in Cut, Cap, and Balance take effect over a period of ten years. We no longer have ten years to spare – it’s too little, too late.

“Undoubtedly, we have to cap spending and we must enact a balanced budget amendment, but Congress can get these tasks done without raising the debt ceiling. I have introduced bills to both lower the debt ceiling and to balance the budget.

“We’ve been down this road before. Administrations of the past have agreed to raise the debt ceiling on a contingency that cuts would be made in future budgets – but those cuts never materialized. It’s long past time to stop obligating our constitutional duties – along with our budgetary problems – to both future Congresses and future generations.”

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68 posted on 07/29/2011 9:58:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I wish Sarah would come out for freezing all spending at current levels and completely eliminating some programs.

The term “cutting” means different thing to congress than it does to you and me. In congress it means increasing spending by a lower percentage in the future. We need reduced spending now.


69 posted on 07/29/2011 10:03:38 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: IM2MAD

Governor Palin folded her cards along with most all of the so-called “conservative” Republicans and supported the “Cut, Cap and Balance” bill, which would have raised the debt ceiling by $2.4 TRILLION dollars, the exact amount Obama has been after all along.

She doesn’t even advocate ending the Dept. of Education, much less anything else.


70 posted on 07/29/2011 10:11:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What we need at this point is for Palin to take up Ron Paul’s solution to the immediate “crisis,” which is simply for the fed to forfeit its imaginary bond debt of approx $1.7 trillion.

This will work.


71 posted on 07/29/2011 10:25:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: CanaGuy

>> “Some info please. If a Balanced Budget Amendment ever goes through, whereby (spending = revenues), do you ever need to borrow money again?” <<

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No, there will be automatic tax increases each year, in whatever amount it takes to balance the budget.

That is why I know that eventually there will be a BB amendment, so that they can raise taxes automatically.


72 posted on 07/29/2011 10:33:48 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: EternalVigilance
And yet, she called CCB, which would raise the debt ceiling $2.4 TRILLION, the “right plan.”

Shhhh! Don't confuse them with facts!

73 posted on 07/29/2011 11:23:00 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stabbing Boehner, West, Pence, Ryan in the back will not make Obama, Reid cave.)
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To: MestaMachine
These are not normal times. We have a full blown enemy in the White House.

Stay alert, prepare and fight for freedom in any way you can. These are the times they will write about hundreds of years from now. Are we ready for the fight?

74 posted on 07/29/2011 11:44:33 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: EternalVigilance
You want to start by building the penthouse. Gov Palin realizes that building a firm, sound foundation is the first order of business and everything else she does will rise from that. She has many ideas of what and where to cut and those will be revealed in due time. As an unannounced candidate, she knows that now is not the time for her to reveal all of her plans and ideas.

Your PDS will just have to simmer a while longer while Gov Palin slowly unveils her strategy...and the Dept of Ed is no doubt on her hit list.

75 posted on 07/29/2011 1:44:58 PM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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To: JPG

LOL...yeah right.


76 posted on 07/29/2011 1:47:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Laugh all you want. The last one will be on you.


77 posted on 07/29/2011 1:54:18 PM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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To: JPG
"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

--Thomas Jefferson


78 posted on 07/29/2011 1:56:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: FreeReign
I believe

Just as you did here?! LOL

79 posted on 07/29/2011 3:48:58 PM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: FreeReign
If you have any further evidence of support since then, please document it.

Since you issued a challenge I decided to just do a cursory look at a Google search and look what turned up on the very first look. Take your pick of a number of separate articles on how much Palin has supported McCain.

80 posted on 07/29/2011 3:54:14 PM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: Ron H.
I believe Palin spent one day back in March 2010, in Arizona, making a campaign appearance, making a radio commercial and doing a TV interview. If you have any further evidence of support since then, please document it.

Just as you did here?! LOL

Your response is nonsense.

81 posted on 07/29/2011 4:05:54 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Ron H.
The only problem I have with her backing of McCaniac is when does it stop?

As I pointed out to you it seems to have stopped in March of 2010.

A cursory look using your google search shows that to be the case.

82 posted on 07/29/2011 4:09:53 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Your response is nonsense.

Oh, and yours wasn't? LOL

At least I showed that you had no clue as to what you said was true but rather just fantasy, that she only supported him one time. I guess we all know what that makes you now. What about her moving into his neighborhood to be only a few blocks (some here say only 2 blocks) away from his primary residence. Just mere coincidence, eh?! I think all of this is irrelavant as I do not believe she is going to announce and run anyway. She is much better off being a Kingmaker of sorts and have more clout and money that way. Her percieved negatives are still pretty high.

I'm not against Palin, I just want to keep the facts straight and stop already with the made up fairy tales about her.

83 posted on 07/29/2011 5:06:25 PM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: Finny
She was damned if she did, and damned if she didn't. If she had snubbed McCain when he asked her to endorse him, Palin detractors would be pointing at it and criticizing her for her lack of loyalty

Sarah was VERY Gracious and Uncle McSmeagal returns the favor by trying to snatch her ring.

And if there ever been the living embodiment of a Hobbit...

She owes him NOTHING!!!.

84 posted on 07/29/2011 5:34:37 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Obama.....a perfect example of why you can't trust someone that won't look you in the eye)
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To: Ron H.
At least I showed that you had no clue as to what you said was true but rather just fantasy, that she only supported him one time.

You did nothing of the sort except to act like a jacka$$.

You asked when does her support stop?...

To which I responded with what I believe is the last time Palin supported McCain...

I used the word "one" to describe the amount days Palin spent in Arizona campaigning for McCain.

I used the word "since" to describe the point where there as been no additional support.

At no time did I say that Palin never supported McCain before March 2010.

What about her moving into his neighborhood to be only a few blocks (some here say only 2 blocks) away from his primary residence.

McCain lives in Phoenix. Palin bought a house in Tucson.

When you can actually demonstrate an example of Palin supporting McCain SINCE March of 2010 that isn't a product of your imagination, give me a ping.

Else spare me your clueless snarky comments.

85 posted on 07/29/2011 6:00:20 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Just mythoughts

Do your own research, son, before you post.

Enuff said.


86 posted on 07/29/2011 10:17:17 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (``Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it``-Pope John Paul II)
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To: FreeReign

You my friend are nuttier than a fruit cake.


87 posted on 07/29/2011 11:05:31 PM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Do your own research, son, before you post. Enuff said.

WHAT research? What you claim is acceptance of the status quo and it has got us circling the drain of destruction. Nobody is making you post and you sure as ..... are NOT in charge of what I post. Some days the nose pickers need to get a life. AND I am no body's 'son'.... dufus.

88 posted on 07/30/2011 8:15:49 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Ron H.
You're projecting Ronny.

As I said, ping me when you feel capable of having a normal conversation.

89 posted on 07/30/2011 11:01:27 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: EternalVigilance

” And yet, she called CCB, which would raise the debt ceiling $2.4 TRILLION, the “right plan.”

An advanced case of PDS if ever I saw one...


90 posted on 08/01/2011 5:47:31 AM PDT by SarahPalinForPresident2012 (She's runnin')
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To: SarahPalinForPresident2012

Pound sand, newbie.


91 posted on 08/01/2011 6:44:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The only thing still propping up the GOP is the dwindling illusion that it's at all conservative.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Pound sand yourself, TROLL


92 posted on 08/01/2011 9:30:05 PM PDT by SarahPalinForPresident2012 (She's runnin')
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To: SarahPalinForPresident2012
Pound sand yourself, TROLL

Gosh. I'm a troll, who's been here a decade longer than you have. I must be really skilled.

93 posted on 08/01/2011 9:35:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.' -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: EternalVigilance

A skillful troll, if that satisfies you...
But troll, nonetheless!


94 posted on 08/01/2011 9:37:19 PM PDT by SarahPalinForPresident2012 (She's runnin')
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To: SarahPalinForPresident2012

And still, the original comment of mine that you reacted violently to remains accurate.


95 posted on 08/01/2011 9:39:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.' -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: SarahPalinForPresident2012

Did she, or did she not, call CCB, which would have raised the debt ceiling $2.4 TRILLION, the “right plan”?

I watched the video. I quoted her verbatim, and in context.

What exactly is “trollish” about quoting your candidate verbatim, and completely in context?


96 posted on 08/01/2011 9:42:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.' -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: EternalVigilance
And yet, she called CCB, which would raise the debt ceiling $2.4 TRILLION, the “right plan.”

So you don"t support Rand Paul either? Sen Paul and Palin's positions re CCB are near identical... Just curious.

97 posted on 08/01/2011 9:43:16 PM PDT by Mensius
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To: Mensius

No, I don’t.


98 posted on 08/01/2011 9:46:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.' -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: EternalVigilance

Fair enough


99 posted on 08/01/2011 9:49:10 PM PDT by Mensius
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To: Mensius

To be completely frank, I didn’t support either of them before this, either, for a number of important reasons.

But their support for a bill that would have borrowed and spent trillions more, just like Obama wanted, is just one more brick in that wall.

Every one is trying to cover themselves now, but some of us have paid close attention through every single step of this process.

And the fact is, there were only NINE House Republicans who didn’t at one point or another vote to raise the debt ceiling by more than two TRILLION. And most of the rest of the Republican establishment was on the wrong side of that equation.


100 posted on 08/01/2011 9:53:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.' -- Margaret Thatcher)
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