Skip to comments.Cain, Gingrich Debate Lincoln-Douglas Style
Posted on 11/06/2011 5:48:34 AM PST by MNJohnnie
For those who missed it or want to see it again, here is a link to the video.
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THanks!!! Sending it out on email, now.
I watched 30 mins. My observations:
Newt has a beautiful voice. It is a pleasure and easy to listen him.
Cain has cranky voice with pauses in speech.
I know this is superficial, but at least since nixon/kennedy debates, these sort of things matter.
Also, cain ducked at least one question. I’m not sure he is ready yet.
Newt had powerful and simple arguments. If Newt were to reject his global warming and “limited amnesty” bs, I would join Newt bandwagon. Now I’m not sure I trust him.
Thanks for the idea of posting this as it’s own thread
Thanks Guy, using the link.
As the host Steve King pointed out this morning on Fox, Cain did not “duck” King moved on to the next question without giving Cain a chance to respond.
The question Cain ducked was something about medicare.
He started to answer it, then backed off and said “you first newt” or something to that effect. Newt went on and gave strong answer without hesitation.
That was odd, it looked like Cain did not know how to answer.
The good thing about Newt is that he does know the ropes. The bad thing about Newt is that he does know the ropes.
I quit watching the stupid gotcha’-fest ‘debates’ years ago. Decided that this one sounded different enough to be watchable...and, I was right. It was an interesting ninety something minutes.
You know, I didn't quite understand what the question was until Newt started answering it and chalked up Cain's deferring to Newt as him being in the same boat I was in. Another thing that might have been either my hearing or my internet connection...but the latter part of the question was kinda' garbled. Anyway, it's possible that Cain didn't quite hear all of it, like me?
I would guess that Newt's total knowledge of all these subjects is why none of the other candidates had the guts to even show up for this!
I'll go with gutsy Cain....the only one, it seems, who's not afraid to go up against Newt.
After watching and listening to two great Americans, I retired for the night with an optimistic, hopeful belief in the future of our Nation.
Promised myself that I would not check threads posted by FReepers who have lost their sanity during this primary season.
It’s working! I believe Newt and Herman would make an unbeatable ticket - but they are the best judges of their compatibility.
Newt impresses me - not only with his grasp of Constitutional principles, but also with his survival skills - having been decimated by the media and his GOP colleagues.
Herman Cain impresses me because he had the courage to enter the race as a novice politician - guided only by his conscience and a desire to reverse the socialist dependency that is destroying his America.
Good luck to both of them and may America win!!!
It may have appeared that Herman was not ready— but there is a huge flaw with that thought....
Herman knows exactly what defined contributions are....he is a career CEO....he knows EXACTLY what defined contributions are...I think several viewers may not be familiar with the term, and so they assumed when Herman passed to Newt that he didn’t know...that is called projection...
anyway— Herman passed to Newt first, because it was Newt’s turn to go first....Herman caught himself....hence Newts saying “It’s(that’s?) only fair.”
But anyone who knows what defined contributions are would realize that Herman would have been a failed CEO if he did not know what it means....if you listen to his answer— he explains it to the audience— once it was his turn...
I understand it may have looked like Herman was not ready...but he was thinking about how best to answer...it is not a term most folks are familiar with....
That being said— every candidate has strengths and weaknesses- the smart ones know their weaknesses and hire folks to cover those— it is one key to success in business....they saying is “Soar with your strengths, hire your weaknesses.” A rule for managers and leaders to live by...
Lochangego what isconservative happening in societyyved it! It wasn’t really a debate, more like an airing of what conservative principles look like. Which is whatthe Cain talked about during the debate when he said that CEO’s need to get out there and educate people in order to change what is happening in society.
The Cain pause c’mere when asked about defined benefit. Plans and I also thought the question wasn’t clear. They both did great. LOVED the end when they got to ask each other questions. . . Cain to Newt: “If you were elected VICE PRESIDENT.....” lol
The question, IIRC, had to do with defined benefits. I saw the exchange, and I think it was more tactical than ducking. It’s an advantage to have the other guy go first on a difficult issue because you can react to what the other guy puts out there, and people generally remember what was said last better. This may have been Cain’s rationale for deferring to Newt, because I seem to recall he did follow up with a fairly detailed discussion of defined benefits versus defined contribution, so he didn’t defer for lack of knowing the subject matter. He may also have been uncertain of the context of the question, as the moderator was posing questions that were tremendously open-ended, sort of like a poorly written essay question, “tell me everything you know about WWII.” Um, where to begin... But I’m not sure. I suppose I’d have to watch it again to nail it down. But that was my impression as I saw it live.
I think it was the debate format that made Herman defer to Newt. I saw it and it did kind of look weird but I am pretty sure it was Newt’s turn to answer first.
The question was kind of BS way to ask. I don’t recall it exactly but it was worded weirdly, almost from a continuing sentence earlier, something like: “..so... Defined benefits or current contribution?”
Sorry I don’t remember it well, I just know I would have thought it a “Gotchya” question is Chissy Wallace had asked it.
Yes, but doing that against the teleprompter would crush him instantly. He must be ready at least to give a strong argument (even on some related issue) without hesitation or asking obama to go first.
You are so right!!! Herman should have said “Oh, I’m sorry. It is your turn to go first.” Since he didn’t, his is not ready.....
Technically, no one else was invited. There was an invitation to Perry for a similar debate with Romney.
Did you see the pics of the Newt/Cain mobile?
“The good thing about Newt is that he does know the ropes. The bad thing about Newt is that he does know the ropes.”
New is brilliant but he’s a creature of Washington. Methinks he loves the game a little too much.
The other thing that impresses me is Cain’s willingness to debate someone so far behind him in the polls. A politician wouldn’t take the chance.
The mark of an individual who is self-confident, but not a narcissist.
A CEO who delegates projects to the most knowledgeable and prevent the crises of incompetence.
A leader who offers goals - as well as finding solutions to existing or potential problems.
Respect for other people, their circumstances and potential to succeed.
Lack of envy or jealousy or covetousness.
I wondered after I saw someone else post along these lines if that was the case....Newt's turn to go first...
Hmmm, I could have sworn I read that it was an open invitation....Oh well, I like this format much better than what’s previously transpired but, honestly, I’m sort of sick of the debates. It’s too early for me to so many. Wish they cut the number down.
It wasn’t a debate, it was a discussion designed to showcase the two candidates as a team. Herman wants Newt as his veep, that was his likely motive for participating. I would not call it gutsy at all, however, I do believe Cain has proven himself to be a very gutsy man in any case.
Forever in CSPAN’S Library! Thank you, MNJohnnie!!
They did look like a Presidential team as they waved to the audience after the debate. I would call them a well balanced ticket.
Go Cain/Gingrich 2012
“You are so right!!! Herman should have said Oh, Im sorry. It is your turn to go first. Since he didnt, his is not ready.....”
This was the attitude among Nixon aides after the TV debate against Kennedy. Who cares if our candidate is sweating? /s
Impressions count more than actual content.
Newt and Rubio. The Republicans will never get the black vote but Rubio could really help with the Spanish vote. Cain will be Sec of State. Give hell to the internationalists.
I wonder if Newt is wise enough to take a hard look at his pocketbook, a hard look at his results, and an even harder look at what he is facing with an opponent that he knows will be focusing on racism to win, and just throw in with Cain now.
After this debate, it was clear to me that Cain is signaling to Newt that he wants him on his ticket.
With Newt’s recent rise in the polls, I’m sure at this point he want’s to see some initial primary results before he does anything, and I don’t blame him for that. Despite his RINO tendencies in the past, I’m starting to wonder if he actually learned something while out of elected office after watching this debate.
I would be comfortable with a Cain/Gingrich or Gingrich/Cain ticket, but believe Cain is our best hope at the top.
If Newt really believes in man-made global warming, that is a big problem. The sun is a million times larger than the earth. In comparison, the earth is less than a speck. The sun is a ball of fire. The earth is a speck of rock. Since the earth is the size of a speck in comparison to the sun, what does that say about the size of a man? A man is many times less than a speck. And man influences the cycles of the sun? I DON’T THINK SO!!! And Newt is the most intelligent Republican candidate? We are in deep do-do.
Rubio would get the Cuban-American vote in Florida - but probably not the Hispanic votes nationally.
Newt is brilliant but erratic. Cain brings maturity, focus and wisdom. I think the two together are more formidable then their individual parts. However I feel a whole lot better with Cain holding the reigns.
Cain has the leadership skills Newt lacks. Newt knows how to manage the DC political machine way better then Cain. Cain would keep Newt focused on Conservative principals, Newt would get things done.
Newt is too politically flighty for the top seat. He is brilliant but politically erratic. He a good doer, he is a lousy leader.
Newt lacks the core leadership principles and vision any good leader must have. Newt is really good at identifying solutions to existing problems, he really bad at seeing what the real problems are.
Do you want a leader or a manager? Cain leads, Newt manages. For the top slots you want leaders, not managers.
I did not understand the question myself.
Thank you! That was what I thought - they talked about something, and then asked the question that didn’t seem to make sense (and really didn’t relate to what they were talking about).
Cain had answers once the question was framed, and his answers didn’t always match Newts so it is clear he had knowledge on the issues.
YOu need to watch the whole thing, it gets better and better.
That was then. The news media were 1000% behind Kennedy and so they created and sold the "Nixon lost because he was sweaty" meme. Now we have much greater ability to analyze and discuss things among ourselves, draw our own conclusions, and communicate directly with one another. We don't have to let the media control this election. Mr. Cain is doing his part. Now we must do ours.
It may have appeared that Herman did not understand the question but there is a huge flaw with that thought....
Herman knows exactly what defined contributions are....he is a career CEO....he knows EXACTLY what defined contributions are...I think several viewers may not be familiar with the term, and so they assumed when Herman passed to Newt that he didnt know(that is called projection- something the left is very good at...)
anyway Herman passed to Newt first, because it was Newts turn to go first....Herman caught himself....hence Newt saying Its(thats?) only fair.
But anyone who knows what defined contributions are would realize that Herman would have been a failed CEO if he did not know what it means....if you listen to his answer he explains it to the audience once it was his turn...
I understand it may have looked like Herman confused...but he was thinking about how best to answer...it is not a term most folks are familiar with....I don’t trust slick willy’s— I want someone who thinks about the question and how to answer..it shows honesty- that polished, slick, politico demeaner is a red flag....
That being said every candidate has strengths and weaknesses- the smart ones know their weaknesses and hire folks to cover those it is one key to success in business....they saying is Soar with your strengths, hire your weaknesses. A rule for managers and leaders to live by...
It get so tired of people acting like Cain isn’t competent or capable. He held his own just fine against Newt. He may not have gone into as much detail, but that was over the heads of a lot of people.
Knowledge is half the equation, you also have to be able to inspire, connect, create trust and educate (in a way that the average person can understand)
In Cain we have someone who can do BOTH.
I really believe he has a better shot at beating Obama than Gingrich. But Gingrich is high on my list of VP choices :-)
After watching it again, it was clear that is what it was.
Thanks for that astute observation, eeevil!
I could live with Newt as Veep...and I would even go hunting with him!!!
I also love how Cain has stood up to the media....so many FREEPers whine about no one standing up to the media, and then when someone does (Cain)- folks come out swinging about he is not ready, he didn’t handle this well, not Presidential, etc etc.....
hypocrisy! how can you whine about how terrible the media is, should not be trusted, but expect folks to hire a team of PR folks play the media game? The best way to stop the media games it to NOT PLAY THEIR GAME!
We say we want to not play their game....but I guess what some mean, is that they just want to play the game better than the media....go figure...
Well put. Thanks
It was a fantastic hour and a half. Still smiling this morning with hope for the nation. IF we can manage to survive to January ‘13.
it helps when you know and understand the term...sometimes political, legal, or business talk seems like a foreign language....King should have framed the question better...
That last question Cain asked Newt about the VP at first appeared to be a joke but when Newt answered back as a VP rather than replying he'd be the prez was telling. Then they ended with the perfect ticket photo op with arms around each other's shoulders and waving. I'd be happy with them both in either POTUS or VP.