Free Republic
Browse · Search
GOP Club
Topics · Post Article

Comments?
1 posted on 03/17/2012 10:25:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last
To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would be surprised if Newt dropped out but not surprised if he teams with Rick. Remember, Newt offered a partnership with Rick even before SC. Unfortunately he got sneered at. Maybe there will be the proper attitude change?


2 posted on 03/17/2012 10:33:15 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep..


3 posted on 03/17/2012 10:33:22 PM PDT by goseminoles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go Newt!!!!


4 posted on 03/17/2012 10:35:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Newt.org = The Candidate of Substance & Real Solutions!

5 posted on 03/17/2012 10:39:25 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Problem as I see it with Romney is that he will be such a mediocre President that even if he does win he will be so middle of the road as to “not upset the apple cart” that the economy will not bloom and then in 4 years it will assure that the democrats take back power on the whole meme that the “economy didn’t recover”. Not to mention any GOP president is going to be so damned hated no matter how “moderate” they are. Mittens will get so damned gun shy that he will be ineffective and the MSM and the Democrat controlled media will smell blood and keep attacking him even as he retreats and this will paralyze him to what needs to be done to restore the economy and defuse all of Obama’s horrible regulatory actions.

Newt is going to be hated like hell anyways and HE KNOWS THAT, but he also knows that he will have the people who put him there behind even if the Media doesn’t paint it that way every night at 5:00pm. So therefore, Newt (who thrives on antagonism instead of flinching from it) will take the bold measures to recover the economy despite being thrashed every night on the MSM news channels. In Four years the MSM will be flabbergasted like their were on election night in 1984, because the man on the street will notice the economy improvement.

Mitt is a Flincher, Newt is a Clincher


6 posted on 03/17/2012 10:40:33 PM PDT by GraceG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Early on, many had opined that the best way to block Romney was for Santorum and Gingrich to work together and let the other win those states he is strong in. Newt, through his own wisdom and initiative, had been doing exactly that while Santorum was obviously having none of it.

No one can fault Santorum for trying to win as many delegates as he can, but it does reveal two things about his strategies:

•Blocking-Romney was not his priority; and •He did not want/need collaboration with anyone. Apparently, Santorum’s focus all along has been to establish himself as the strongest not-Romney standing, blocking Romney be damned. All fair enough and it looks like he just might succeed.


QFT.

I remember quite clearly when earlier in the primary race—after SC and before the FL contest—there were reasonable calls for Santorum to drop out so the ABR vote could consolidate around Newt and take out Romney from the get-go. That didn't happen of course, and Santorum made it patently clear that he was all about #1 (his petty self and his own ambitions). He scarcely bothered to campaign in FL and didn't even bother to advise that maybe his voters should make a pragmatic tactical decision and vote for Newt in his place to help assure that Romney didn't cinch it.
7 posted on 03/17/2012 10:42:17 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Newt had won Florida things would be different


8 posted on 03/17/2012 10:44:23 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’re hosed


9 posted on 03/17/2012 10:45:15 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
And as much as I detest Romney, if I have to pick, my money will be on Romney

You talk a lot about who is the most "electable." IMO, it's silly to think any of these guys are unelectable when they have performed as well as they have in the primaries. Some people theorize that only ONE factor has any influence on who gets elected president, the economy. It's hard to argue that, looking back on past races, although in Bush/Gore's case, you'd have to say the economy decides the popular vote, but not necessarily who wins.

The bottom line here, if you prefer Romney, then your strategy makes perfect sense. Two conservatives splitting the vote is handing Romney extra delegates, as it did in Alabama where a single opponent getting 50% of the vote would have denied him delegates. Two conservatives will hand him even more going forward, where 800 of the remaining 1200 delegates fall under some form of winner-take-all rules.

Newt has weathered a lot going this far and really has very little to lose staying in the race.

Not true. This vote splitting is on track to help Romney get to over 1,144 delegates by June. With a single conservative taking advantage of the highly increased upcoming winner-take-all contests, Romney could be denied probably 100-250 delegates he would get in a 3-man race. We'll see what happens on Tuesday, where in Illinois Romney could win the entire 69 delegates if he wins each district with a mere plurality of the vote, as the polls show him getting now. It is a direct delegate election, hence if Romney gets 35% of the vote in every district and everyone else gets less, he gets all the delegates. Newt and Rick's votes combined in the current polls would exceed Romney's total there by a big margin, enough for them, if combined into one ticket, to win all the delegates.

What I'm advocating is not Newt dropping out, but him teaming up with Rick. Rick would have to go along with it too of course. And if he doesn't, there is certainly a chance he won't get enough of Newt's votes to help him win these contests. It doesn't matter which one of them drops out and joins the other as a V.P. pick, but there appears to be no mathematical way based on current polling to stop Romney from winning the nomination without switching to a 2-man-1-fruitcake (Paul) race where that consolidated conservative candidate finds a way to get all the votes Newt and Rick are currently getting separately.

10 posted on 03/17/2012 10:46:17 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep fighting, Newt.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 10:46:40 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go Newt. Fight to win.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 10:47:33 PM PDT by TChad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I should clarify I am advocating one of these guys dropping out and joining the other as an announced V.P. pick who would continue making campaign appearances. So I’m saying drop out, then drop back in on the other guy’s ticket.

Santorum has at least twice said he would consider Newt as V.P. It simply makes more sense for them both to make that decision now when it might matter as opposed to making it after Romney wins the nomination.


15 posted on 03/17/2012 10:49:59 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Newt, without any doubt, will be the most effective president for favorable change towards conservative agenda, among the 4 remaining candidates. Mitt is flip-flop, Santorum’s voting record in congress is left of center, Dr Paul is too radical.


17 posted on 03/17/2012 11:04:32 PM PDT by entropy12 (Republicans do not hate, that is a monopoly of democrats.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ihave to say again that Newt is the only man I believe to be capable, courageous, and crazy enough to re-balance our judiciary by tossing activists out. It’s a task way over due and critical to the nation’s recovery.


28 posted on 03/18/2012 1:38:43 AM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever thet go; others, whenever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Newt has to stay in. He's critical to shaping debate, to clarifying arguments, to breaking through the media machine.

Romney and Santorum don't have that capacity but if they're smart they'll learn from the Speaker and be better positioned for a fall campaign if one of them is the nominee.

I happened across a March 2, 2007, article I posted then on gas prices. The national average was higher than the prior year yet still under $2.40 which itself is ten cents below Newt's target that Obama's White House is desperate to trash as "lying," impossible, election year politics, etc. as if gas prices have no reason to ever be $2-3 again and that's somehow just fine, the "new normal."

They are desperate to let lower gas prices go down the memory hole so they can play frog in the boiling water with gas and diesel payers to further their "environmental" agenda.

29 posted on 03/18/2012 2:31:47 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

What is your top priority for today?

I think we all know it is defeating Obama. We do not know for sure what he’s got up us sleeve and he will be dealing a lot of the cards. He’s also got to play with the deck he’s been showing us, so in some respects anyone could beat an incumbent with such a poor record. More Americans lost jobs, home, retirement savings, etc under him.

Next, this site has been an anti- Romney site. With good reason. We are a conservative site. Romney’s not conservative. Romney winning the nomination also takes obamaCare and stopping this freedom killer off the table. We can’t have that.

How to stop Romney? This very week, Gingrich will be giving Romney a win in Illinois. If he had dropped out after his southern strategy didn’t make it, Santorum could make it.

We can’t be utopian at this time. Newt might be the best man for the job but even with the brokered convention he doesn’t really have a chance to be nominee. His best chance to be the nominee is by being a statesman and stepping out today.

As it stands, the more delegates Romney gets, the more of a mandate he will have at a convention. And if there were a 2 man race, Romney gets less delegates and Santorum has a chance of getting over half which gives romney 0 in some contests.

There isn’t time to create idyllic mental scenarios. We get Romney if we don’t go for Santorum.


33 posted on 03/18/2012 4:44:17 AM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

New haters front and center.


34 posted on 03/18/2012 5:01:19 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (Newt 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our Constitution is being starved to death - only a high Newtrition diet can save it.


35 posted on 03/18/2012 5:44:28 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe neither Romney nor Santorum is up to the task of taking on Obama. And as much as I detest Romney, if I have to pick, my money will be on Romney,

The polls all say your betting on the wrong horse.


36 posted on 03/18/2012 5:45:59 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The biggest problem Newt has right now is that his campaign is broke. He’s out of money and in fact, in debt. That makes it extremely hard to compete, especially for a candidate that has only won two primaries to this point. He may not be able to stay in the race, even if he wants to.


50 posted on 03/20/2012 11:05:13 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
GOP Club
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson