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Vanity: Resigned to Romney? No Way! It's Time for Real Conservatives to Organize
28 April 2012 | Yashcheritsiy

Posted on 04/28/2012 5:36:53 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy

I posted this up in News/Activism because it is a call to activism, and therefore seemed to me to fit the bill.

This is a "caucus" thread - if you're a pro-Romney whiner, then go find another thread. This one is for conservatives who want to do something about the election besides hang our heads and timidly thump a tub for Mittens.

I've intended this thread to hang around for a while so that we can throw ideas back and forth and start trying to network, etc. If you're really interested in organizing for action, please feel free to join in. If you want to hang back and not get actively involved, well, feel free to join in or lurk too.

Thanks, Yashcheritsiy

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To: learner
I am only practical and will pony up money to get rid of Obama, Will you

I'm a conservative and Supported and voted for Newt, did you?

We need to do anything to get rid of O

Or will you just lip service

Sounds you are doing mitt's lip service 'anything'

I did ALL I could to get rid of O and for my country, I supported and voted for NEWT and my supported remains there!

61 posted on 04/28/2012 6:59:10 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Drew68
any chance whatsoever of beating Obama

Is drop kick mitt off the ballot!

AP News: Romney Preparing to Drop Out of Race next week and support Speaker Gingrich.

62 posted on 04/28/2012 7:02:49 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: svcw
I have already come to terms with the choice I have made, and it wont be voting for a liberal.

Nonetheless, one of these two men will be the next President.

63 posted on 04/28/2012 7:04:28 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

That’s reality for the retarded and deceived.

64 posted on 04/28/2012 7:04:35 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: muawiyah
As I've explained many times THERE IS NO MIDDLE.

I disagree. We have a huge segment of the population who are swing voters. They don't care about politics, don't post on political forums and don't really invest any time learning about the issues at hand. They vote only because it has been drummed into their heads that they have a civic obligation to do so. And when they vote, they vote superficially for the guy they'd most like to have a beer with or have as their neighbor.

Their votes count the same as yours or mine and this is the group of voters who decide elections.

65 posted on 04/28/2012 7:09:24 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Assuming Romney is the Republican nominee, what we should be doing is work to elect tea party candidates to both the House and Senate. If we are to be stuck with Romney as president(I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM) we need to make the GOP-E’s life a living hell if they don’t “toe the line”. We need to control the debate in the congresses.

66 posted on 04/28/2012 7:09:54 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: All

It strikes me that the real hurdle to a serious effort to elect a conservative instead of Mock Rombama will be the inertia of conservatives themselves, as we have seen on this and a ton of other threads.

“There’s no way a third party can win!”

Well, yes there is - if conservatives voted for it.

Remember, conservatives make up the plurality in this country. Conservatives are also not synonymous with “Republicans.” There are conservative independents, and even conservative Democrats. In a situation where you had three serious candidates, you don’t need 50%. You need closer to 40% to have a solid win.

If conservatives actually voted their consciences instead of resigning themselves to Romney, they’d win. The only thing stopping them is this institutionalised mindset. The GOP has them locked into a psychological profile not unlike people who have been in prison for decades. The thought of life outside those four walls scares them. They’d rather stay inside, even if means having no freedom and remaining in the terrible situation they are in. Likewise, a lot of conservatives simply cannot imagine life outside the GOP. it scares them. They won’t step outside of it, even when they’re stuck with a nominee who’s as bad as the Dem.

Let’s face it - fear is what drives a lot of so-called conservatives. Not just fear of Obama, but fear of stepping out and taking a chance. They’d rather play it safe and lose with Romney (does any sane person *really* think Romney has a shot of winning in the end?) than take a chance on switching their vote to a solid conservative third party candidate. They would only do so if they saw a lot of other people doing it, because let’s face it, a lot of conservatives - despite the way they like to pat themselves on the back - are followers, not leaders. They would deny it, but the reality is that they let the MSM and the GOP-E do their thinking for them.

Breaking this in-the-box mindset is the first step to breaking the power of the GOP and electing a real conservative candidate - even if it has to be done outside the GOP.

67 posted on 04/28/2012 7:11:03 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: presently no screen name
I did ALL I could to get rid of O and for my country

We haven't even gotten to the general election yet, so you most certainly have not done ALL you could do to get rid of Obama yet.

I supported and voted for NEWT and my supported remains there!

Maybe you've endured a news blackout for the past week or so, but you should probably realize that Newt dropped out right? He's done. He will be endorsing Romney next week. Why are you supporting someone who is not even a candidate anymore, AND is supporting Mitt Romney (someone you claim you can't vote for). Further, if you thought Newt was so great that you were willing to support and vote for him, why can't you take his word for it that voting ABO (aka Romney) is the best course of action going forward?

Please don't respond if your not willing to be coherent. I really don't want to try to decipher one of your posts that rambles on about evil, satan, hell, etc, etc.

68 posted on 04/28/2012 7:11:15 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: presently no screen name
That’s reality for the retarded and deceived.

You should really look into lithium.

69 posted on 04/28/2012 7:11:31 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Hmmmmmm. doesn't look like we are organizing very well.
I predict an Obama win in November.

When is the last time a Liberal Republican won the Presidency? It's not going to happen.

GOP rest in pieces.

70 posted on 04/28/2012 7:18:19 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: Drew68
Those people do not constitute a "middle". If you do some serious interrogation you will find their final voting decision has been counseled according to one or more interest groups of which they are a member.

Here's a good example of such behavior ~ there are actually some school teachers who are honest and upstanding citizens. If "Education" is not a current issue in their area they'll vote for candidates on other issues. If education is THE topic of the day, you'll find them voting for their own self-interest.

That behavior might make it look like they are flip-flopping but they're not.

This is why it is necessary to identify the factions and go after those where you have a "wedge issue".

Obama has some advisors who know these things so they are working on a "wedge issue" suitable for Hispanics who may well be persuaded by Republican interests in private sector job growth. NOTE THAT ~ it's the JOBS Issue there just like with the 53% of unemployed recent college graduates. If you've been generally unemployed for 5 years after graduating, that's a really huge wedge.

The Democrats full well expect Republicans to exploit their advantage here!

71 posted on 04/28/2012 7:20:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TommyC1
It's interesting that you bring Soros up, since he thinks there is vvery little difference between Romney and Obama.

His words:

" If it’s between Obama and Romney, there isn’t all that much difference, except for the crowd they bring with them."

72 posted on 04/28/2012 7:22:00 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: upsdriver

I definitely agree that we conservatives need to make a priority out of electing solid conservatives to the House and Senate. A good start on that appears to be in the making in Indiana.

I believe that we can present a third option besides Romney and Obama. I’m not even asking for some sort of super-hard right Constitution Party type (though that appears to be about the best we have for now); I’d simply settle for a reasonable movement conservative who took mainstream conservative positions across the range of issues. Romney is nowhere near that.

The hurdle to a conservative candidate is conservatives themselves. As long as they won’t even entertain the possibility that a third party candidate could garner enough support to have a shot, then they self-fulfill that prophecy. But what if the bulk of conservatives decided to vote their consciences rather than what they’ve been brainwashed into believing by the establishment?

73 posted on 04/28/2012 7:23:29 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The Obama candidacy was really launched at his speach in the 2004 convention. What conservatives do we need to try to set up in a similar manner this year? Are there any governors ready to make the leap?

74 posted on 04/28/2012 7:23:42 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

No matter how one slices or dices it, a non-Romney vote is still a vote for Obama. There is no reconciling that.

75 posted on 04/28/2012 7:25:11 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: mardi59

Some here would have called the Patriots loons for what they did and they would have backed the King against the Patriots.

Actually my Loyalist American ancestors called them murderers and arsonists and fled for their lives...

But dont let the facts get in your way...

My 4th great grandmother was 10 years old when she was arrested and put in a rebel prison...Fort Dayton, Albany, NY...

So it must be her 65 year old grandmother you are talking about...

Yes she was my age and in that same prison...

Her invalid son died when the rebels burnt down her trading post...

a teenage granddaughter was raped and died in the prison..

Surely you dont mean the other women in the family ???

Well they were in their 40s but thankfully also in prison where they couldnt harm the brave rebel soldiers...

Meanwhile another female ancestor and 4 other women walked from Pennsylvania to Canada with their children...

Gosh I had some dangerous desparadoes back then...

Your innocent ancestors were right to put them in prison and drive them out...

Confiscating their rich farmlands of course...

76 posted on 04/28/2012 7:25:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

3rd party’s just don’t work in our system. They mostly never have and they never will. We have a winner take all system that does not allow for coalition government, and that is generally going to result in 2 party’s - as it has in the US since the very beginning. If the GOP grew so weak that it is imploding, you might be able to replace it. But make no mistake, that new party would become the second leg of the 2 party system (with mostly the same people in it). It wouldn’t take long for all the same factions and divisions within this new party to plague it just like it does the Republican party.

Very occasionally you may get a Ross Perot type, but that flamed out and achieved nothing more than to help elect Bill Clinton. You have a few Nader and Anderson types, but all they amount to is potential spoilers. They aren’t going to win, and they know it - these are vanity campaigns.

It is far better off continuing the work of pushing the Republican party to the right from within. It can, and IS being done on the local and state level. People need to quit whining because it hasn’t been a complete success nationally to this point. Romney won the nomination because movement conservatives and Tea Party types were very divided - and MANY sat on the sidelines waiting for Palin who declined to run. By that time primaries were a mess and Mitt breezed through. It isn’t always going to be that way. One thing conservatives do have to do is aggressively court GOOD potential candidates. It is pointless to put up dingbats like Christine O’Donnell characters who not only lose horrible, do damage to the party downticket, but it discourages people from associating with the Tea Party once they see the disasterous results. No more O’Donnells, no more Sharon Angles, no more Carl Paladino’s. These are silly candidates that badly hurt the cause.

77 posted on 04/28/2012 7:25:54 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: muawiyah; Drew68

There is no “middle.” There are just people who *think* they are, but who are ultimately not.

It’s an error to confuse “moderate” with “uninvolved.”

78 posted on 04/28/2012 7:26:30 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Innovative

That didn’t take long.

79 posted on 04/28/2012 7:29:09 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: Longbow1969

That’s why we need to make the GOP cease to be a major party, and replace it with something else.

After all, we’re not still choosing between Federalists and Democratic-Republicans. I haven’t heard who the Whig candidate is this year.

80 posted on 04/28/2012 7:29:40 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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