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Repealing Obamacare: Why Mitt Romney and the Republicans Will Come Up Short (From the Left)
PolicyMic ^ | June 29, 2012 | Michael Luciano

Posted on 06/29/2012 8:28:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hasn’t Romney already asserted that, if elected, he would grant
a BOcare waver to all states?


21 posted on 06/29/2012 9:55:36 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If one vote was enough to get ObamaCare then why wouldn’t one be enough to repeal it? here’s a recap of how we got where we are today...

March 21, 2010: “Should Republican Scott Brown win Tuesday’s Senate race in Massachusetts and break the Democrats’ supermajority in the Senate, Congressional Dems could pass a final health care reform bill before Brown is seated, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters at his weekly press briefing Tuesday.

And if that means the House h...as to rubber-stamp the weaker reform bill that came out of the Senate, he said, “the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing.”

Under procedural statutes, Massachusetts officials could buy some time for Congress to pass health care by delaying the certification of a Brown victory. If everything drags out as long as possible, Democrats would have about two weeks to get the final bill to President Obama’s desk.


22 posted on 06/29/2012 10:22:48 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: ThirstyMan; Brown Deer; melancholy; Nachum

Holder Refuses to Provide Testimony on Kagan’s Involvement in Obamacare

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=22121&pst=1594668

Klayman To Seek Indictment Of Justices Roberts and Kagan Before Citizens Grand Jury

http://news.yahoo.com/klayman-seek-indictment-justices-roberts-kagan-citizens-grand-174411247.html


23 posted on 06/29/2012 11:25:11 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: PAConservative1
by 2017 the people will be too hooked on the goodies that no politician will dare repeal it.

By 2017 we will be in a Deep Depression thanks to this monstrosity completely ruining the economy

Hooked on goodies --hell they will be happy if they have food on the table

The 30s will seem like boom times compared to what we are headed for
24 posted on 06/30/2012 5:54:54 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That is, barring a party-wide collapse of epic proportions.

Here's to that!


25 posted on 06/30/2012 5:58:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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The guy is an idiot. Obamacare was passed in the Senate using reconciliation, a simple majority is required. Do not need a filibuster proof Senate.

It can be repealed using the same procedure...


26 posted on 06/30/2012 7:15:54 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Whenifhow; LucyT; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ..
Repeal of 0b0z0CommieCare Ping..................

That would mean that in addition to holding the House and Mitt Romney defeating Obama in the race for the White House, Republicans would have to take the senate and by a filibuster-proof majority.

Thank you, Whenifhow.

I think I heard Michelle Bachman on FOX saying that the repeal doesn't need 60 votes in the Senate. She repeated by saying to tell the people that, the 60 Senate votes are NOT needed and that 51 votes to pass the House repeal bill will repeal 0b0z0CommieCare.

Well, this would be a great incentive for us to capture the Senate.

27 posted on 06/30/2012 8:55:34 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: melancholy

I think the lower threshold for repeal will come back to haunt proponents of the legislation. In theory, a repeal of the ACA could be on the president’s desk before November’s election — there are quite a few Senate Democrats up for re-election this year. The 51-vote threshold for repeal is not an impossibility.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/still_a_bfd_obama_loses.html#ixzz1zILFO01x


28 posted on 06/30/2012 9:29:46 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: melancholy

Roberts just upheld a law that creates 159 agencies, hires 16,000 IRS agents and has in it this little blurb: “...whatever the Secretary deems appropriate.”

We are serfs to liege lords now.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 9:35:14 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: melancholy

Live by reconcilliation, die by reconcilliation.

Remember, regardless of what Obama’s thugs say, Obamacareless is now a tax. That means 60 votes are not needed.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 2:37:57 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......)
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To: combat_boots

“We are serfs to liege lords now.”

Never. I’m not giving in. I am seriously considering canceling my insurance, despite the fact that it’s really good and relatively cheap.

Catch me if you can, Barry......


31 posted on 06/30/2012 2:42:23 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

What a great article, send it on to everyone in email lists and face book it, tweet it, print it out, hand it out, get it out there.


32 posted on 06/30/2012 6:54:35 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: LucyT

Ping and bump to post #28


33 posted on 06/30/2012 6:58:05 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's an excerpt from an article in the New Yorker entitled "Why Romney Won’t Repeal Obamacare" (Google it).

The author also argues that reconciliation would not be applicable.


Many Republicans, especially in the blog and talk-radio swamps, would cry, “Use reconciliation!” Readers familiar with the congressional debates of 2009-2010 will remember that this procedure allows certain budgetary measures to pass through the Senate with a simple majority. (After Ted Kennedy died and was replaced by the Republican Scott Brown, Obama and congressional Democrats used the reconciliation process to make some final, crucial changes to the health-care law.) But reconciliation wouldn’t work here—the process can only be used for policies that have budgetary effects and a C.B.O. score. Much of the A.C.A., such as the insurance exchanges and subsidies, would fall under these categories. But a lot of it, including the hated individual mandate, does not. Repealing the exchanges and subsides without repealing the mandate and the other regulations and cost controls in the law would create a health-care Frankenstein that a President Romney would be rather nuts to support.

If the Supreme Court had gutted the law today by throwing out the mandate and the regulations and several of the other “non-scoreable” items, a President Romney with a G.O.P. Congress might have had a relatively easy time finishing the job of killing Obama’s law, even without sixty votes in the Senate. But today the Court did two things that make repeal of the A.C.A. nearly impossible now: it has given its not-inconsequential stamp of legitimacy to the law, and it has made the parliamentary path of repeal through Congress highly unlikely and probably impossible, at least in the near future.

Far-sighted conservatives always thought that their great hope for toppling Obama’s most important legislative achievement was through the courts. They were correct.


I have no idea how accurate this argument is, but it's apparent that it's being tossed around.
34 posted on 06/30/2012 7:05:29 PM PDT by Bratch
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Assuming Romney wins and both the House and Senate have GOP majorities, I do not worry so much about a filibuster in the Senate. Public opinion will be so against Obamacare that all but the most hardened Democrats will fear using it. Remember how Sen. Ben Nelson was booed out of a Lincoln, NE eatery after his pivotal vote for Obamcare? That is what opponents of the repeal can expect only worse.
35 posted on 07/01/2012 7:26:21 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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