Posted on 11/02/2012 11:06:00 AM PDT by birdsman
I know that some freepers are reluctant to vote for Romney because he's not conservative enough. Few of us wanted him to be the Republican nominee, and for good reason. This is why I'm voting Libertarian this year. I know the mantra, a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama, but that's not true in deep blue states like mine (New York). I propose that conservatives in deep blue states agree to vote 3rd party. In return, conservatives in toss up states can hold their noses while voting for Romney.
“However we DO NOT want a nightmare scenario where Obama gets the popular vote”
A single vote never matters, since no race will ever be decided by a one-vote margin. It doesn’t matter in a “battleground” state, much less in a deep blue state, and less of all for the popular vote. It’s incomprehensible to me why you’d even bother with the popular argument. If his vote is a drop in Superior in New York it’s a drop in the Atlantic nationally.
Well said. Indeed.
Right! The incumbent is the first President who actually hates every thing that traditional Americans believe in. (Who else could have sat in a pew for 20 years, while his Pastor "damned" America?)
William Flax [Romney/Ryan]
I voted early for Goode (Constitution Party). Just changed my tagline to indicate that. But Romney will win my state easily.
Sorry, I believe it’s simpler than that ~ religious freedom grows out of the barrel of a gun ~ that’s what my Huguenot ancestors believed and today modern Catholics agree with that doctrine.
Look, I used to despise Romney too, and thought that maybe just for cathartic purposes or something, kind of like a medieval bloodletting for health, we should reelect O. But that would be confirmation of O’s socialist pro-gay pro-illegal policies, all for a small brownie point that conservatives stuck to their purity and didn’t deign to vote for RR.
A couple things have changed in my view of Romney. One, his debate #1 performance, I thought it was unabashed conservative. I really didn’t see any waffling toward the middle, as MSNBC tried to portray.
And on the key issue of immigration, in debate 2, though RR has been low key on the issue, he confirmed that he isn’t going to do amnesty, and ROMNEY IS GOING TO INSTITUTE E-VERIFY! That will be critical to stemming illegal immigration and the illegals to leave, and O is not going to do it, and sop with O the next thing we know the electorate will be overwhelmed by illegals that vote Dem & socialist.
No, conservatives, vote Romney, not Obama.
Digital logic...are you a computer guy?
Back in the nineties I used to self-identify as a Libertarian. That was until I attended some meetings and found out that the party is really all about legalizing pot. It was the only issue anyone was passionate about. So I left and never looked back. Some friends of mine still on the "inside" tell me that nowadays they are all in the tank for Gay Marriage, too. How nice.
bird, by the time this thread is over ... your vote will be the most important vote in America ... the entire country lobbying birdman for his vote on the NYS electors.
Good job, buddy! What about my vote!!
Do I vote for Linda McMahon?
Do I put my Linda McMahon yard sign up? If I do not, is it immoral?
Do I hafta campaign for Linda, too? ( I need a philosopher today)
If there are not massive TEA Party rallies between a Romney victory and Jan 20th, and beyond, then the only people to blame for no change will be ourselves.
Romeny will govern to the right of center, IF, we, through Congress and out raised voices, continually remind him why he was elected, and by whom.
re: “I’m done voting for evil.”
The problem with this is that all of us are evil and sinners. No candidate is going to be all that we want. No candidate, aside from Jesus, and He isn’t on the ticket, is going to be free from evil.
The truth is you are ALWAYS voting for the man/woman who represents LESS EVIL. The candidates you like have the least evil (as far as you perceive it) as opposed to the ones who appear to have the MOST evil.
You are either voting for less evil or more evil - there are no other choices.
Look at it this way - you have to decide which candidate represents more of what you support, and, vote against the candidate who represents the least of what you support.
If Candidate A is 50% of what you want, and Candidate B is 40% of what you want - which one do you vote for?
Now, of course you will say, “What about Candidate C?” He/she is 90% of what you want but has a snowballs chance in Hades to be elected.
If you vote your “conscience”, you feel good because you voted for the one you thought was best, yet the kicker is, you divided the opposition against the WORST candidate, thus, helping the WORST one to win.
It’s simple math. It is absolutely certain that dividing the vote helps one of two main party candidates - not the third party candidate.
If you want better main party candidates, you have to get involved in that party - i.e. join the party, attend local precinct meetings, volunteer for stuff, help in campaigns, etc. In other words, the more involved you are in the day to day workings of your local party, the more you can influence which candidates make it to the top tier for consideration.
If all you do is wait for “other” people in the party to choose who the candidates will be, but you’ve had no involvment and therefore no influence - why be surprised that you always wind up with having to choose among candidates you don’t like very much. Involvment is the key to influencing local, state, and ultimately national candidates.
But, as I said, you will always be choosing between the lesser of two, or three, or four evils. But, the worst candidate is usually the one who benefits the most from dividing the opposition against him.
So, Oberon - choose to vote for LESS evil. Yes, it stinks but that’s just the way it is.
“Digital logic...are you a computer guy?”
I’m a common sense guy, trying to explain it in a way that can reach people.
It is the second time for me - The first being when I was too sick to get to the polls and missed voting all together...
I am thinking I will write in Tom Hoefling (FR's EternalVigilance), even though I don't think it is a valid write-in in MT.
yer vote is trivial civic nonsense.
someday, get somebody elected by actually campaigning for him.
“Yes. And voting for either of the two leading candidates is a vote for the status quo.”
I’m sorry, but this is politically moronic.
SCOTUS appointees alone from Obama should make your soul shudder.
Romney was far from my first choice, but he is oceans away from being a neo-socialist and statist like Obozo.
I’m not here to argue it, it’s beyond obvious if you can’t see it then god, devil or sun help you. I will never forgive or forget those that abandon our nation in it’s deepest moment of need to correct course. Never.
I respect your decision. This is the last nose holder for me.
Exactly, he is the classic so called fiscal conservative which he isn’t and a social liberal. Only wimps follow that semi-conservative mantra so they aren’t stuck standing up for the killing of babies.
How can you have a fiscal program when you believe anything goes? More atheistic communism for everybody but balance the budget, right.
Pray for America
Gary Johnson is an open borders/free trader and Virgil Goode was a Democrat. They both have warts as large as Romney’s.
Facilitating an Obama victory by denying his only viable opponent a vote is tantamount to deliberately supporting the "greater evil" over the "lesser evil".
How is it "goode" to assist in the triumph of the "greater evil"? How is it logical?
Any so called conservative that refuses to vote for Romney, after what happened in Libya, is someone I will never forgive. If Obama wins, they will be responsible for anything he does to this country.
Romney was not my first, or even second choice, but I don’t believe he would have sat around and let these people die.
The last poll I saw here in NM Johnson was pulling 6% of the vote. I would love to see Romney win here but it is not looking good but anything can happen.
I think Johnson will hurt zero in Colorado. The state has the legalization of pot on the ballot so he should get the stoner vote and that hurts zero.
You clearly don't like mormons, but do you like phaux-christian semi-muslim marxist atheist MORONS any better? Such as Obama?
ROMNEY IS GOING TO INSTITUTE E-VERIFY!
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Willard got his finger in the air again, has he ???
Well hes a few years too late...
We already have E-Verify...
Next...
Not only that but a major landslide against the marxists/one world order types will let them know that a large majority of Americans have no interest in their utopian fantasies.
THIS is not the PRIMARY.....vote for Libertarian in the General is a VOTE FOR OBAMA...whether you like it or not....that’s the result. WORK within the GOP to CHANGE them...that’s what hundreds of thousands of us are doing....not going to shoot ourselves in the foot just because we don’t have the “PERFECT” candidate.
Here's why: For Romney to score a clean win, he's got to win both the Electoral College AND the popular vote.
Now suppose Romney wins the EC, but loses the popular vote by a sliver, say 50,000 votes. Sure, he'd be president, but he'd be dogged by the popular vote loss. It would be a stone around his neck that he just doesn't need.
Beyond that, there would probably be riots over the popular vote winner (Obama in this scenario) being “denied” his victory.
AND, furthermore, I’m in a so called “BLUE” state that is starting to lean RED....nothing is guaranteed this time around.
If Obama wins, they will be responsible for anything he does to this country.
I feel that way about anybody (especially Republicans) who voted for him in 2008. I can’t believe people would buy into his BS and it is not the media’s fault for not vetting him in 2008 and again in 2012. It was plain to anybody who just spent a little time doing some research who this Marxist was and is. I could tolerate these people’s votes for zero the first but I really had a hard time with it since then. I would rather not know how they voted just make it right this time.
I have faith that Romney will do what he says and reverse the last 4 years and that is all you really have with any challenger.
He wasn’t my first choice either. If I am nervous at all it is the prospect of another 4 years of zero.
Best Romney doesn’t believe he has the Mandate of Heaven ~
As long as they don't vote for 'bama then 'bama doesn't get a vote.
There are plenty of people elsewhere on the ballot deserving of Conservative or LIbertarian or Vegan votes ~ let these people vote for them! Else, next time you need a vote somewhere, or imagine you do, they won't be there for you at all.
Just what were you smoking that made you imagine stoners vote Republican? ROTFLMAO!!!
Gary Johnson openly supports the legalization of pot. Johnson left the Republican party for the Libertarian party so that might be part of the deal. I am not smoking anything. The last picture I have seen of this cat showed him in a tee shirt with the stupid peace symbol on it. Of course he was wearing a blazer.
So do hispanic voters ~ they know the Democrats will someday deliver the goods. The ‘lawn order’ Republicans won’t.
Knock it off...Vote for Romney
I live in the deepest of the Blue States - MA - I’m voting for Romney...and I don’t even like him :)
(Thank goodness there’s no strong “Perot” in this race)
Those who bitch and moan and no effort to hold their elective representatives accountable have no one else to blame. Laugh if you want. But I think that people are finally ready (at least a good majority of them) to act like grown ups and take their country back.
Sounds like a reasonable idea in a way. I live in Kal-i-fornia and my vote is meaningless. I might have to consider what it means to vote for a 3rd party though. Maybe I should vote for Roseanne Barr, or Mickey Mouse instead.
We are not only voting against Barack Obama, but we are also voting against Eric Holder, Kathleen Sebelius, Janet Napalitano, Hillary Clinton and her apparently soon to come replacement John “I was in VietNam” Kerry, Valerie Jarrett and the rest of the Obama Chicago Thug Machine.
Think about it.
0bama's ineptitude, crass political opportunism, and utter void where his patriotism should be led to the bloody murder of four good Americans in Benghazi.
I don't see R0mney throwing our men to the wolves like that.
FWIW.
“A single vote never matters, since no race will ever be decided by a one-vote margin.”
You act just like obama by laying out a fake strawman argument then attempting to draw conclusions off of that. Garbage in, garbage out!!
JC
NM is full of Indians dependent on welfare, social programs and food stamps. Whomever promises to provide more of the same gets the votes...
JC
Since I believe in Miracles, I refuse to give in to the CA Democrats (Communists) and the Obama Regime (Communists)without a fight. Lots of other people and issues on the Ballot that needed our support as well.
Exactly what do you think will be accomplished with your Grand Bargain? This question is coming from a 1992 Perot Voter, so I know what can happen when a Third, Fourth or Fifth Party Candidate robs Votes from the Republican.
To this day I regret my Political ignorance of 20 years ago.
How about, a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote that shows you are incapable of simple reasoning or math. People vote for Gary Johnson for one of two reasons, a big pumped up ego that thinks you are better than everyone else and won't soil yourself in the trenches getting rid of Obama, or two, you like pot.
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