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Ancient remains found in central Florida peat farm
Associated Press in Naples (FL) News ^ | October 13, 2003 | N/A

Posted on 10/13/2003 12:26:57 PM PDT by Bernard Marx

Associated Press

KENANSVILLE — When workers digging up peat at a former central Florida sod farm unearthed human remains with their backhoe, they called the police. But this was a cold case that authorities were unlikely to solve.

The bones found Thursday appeared to be those of a young man who died in his late teens or early 20s about 4,800 years ago, said Anthony Falsetti, an associate professor of anthropology at the University of Florida.

"It's quite significant because it ties into some earlier discoveries in the 1980s ... dating back to 8,000 years ago," Falsetti said Friday. "It continues to fill in the picture of early life ... in Florida."

The remains are being suspended in water at the lab, so they don't dry out and crumble into dust. Archaeologists will not photograph the bones, and he will not receive a nickname. Instead, the skeleton is designated as 10-B-03.

The Bureau of Archaeological Research in Tallahassee will survey the site where the remains were found for other signs of a past civilization. Animal bones designed in a decoration were also found with the remains discovered about 50 miles southeast of Orlando, Falsetti said.

After consulting with the two American Indian tribes of Florida, state archaeologist David Dickel said the bones were expected to be reburied in a private ceremony attended only by experts. There will be no marker, to thwart collectors and vandals.

"He lived in a simpler time with a simpler life, but this was no primitive," Dickel said. "Even though it's only bones, we think of it as a life."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: archaeology; clovis; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; junkscience; kennewick; kennewickman; nativeamericans; oldbones; pc; preclovis; precolumbian
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Looks like they can't re-bury the evidence fast enough. Is Political Correctness the only "science" involved in this matter? Where is the evidence that these remains and others found in the region have any relationship with existing "Native American" groups?
1 posted on 10/13/2003 12:26:58 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx; blam
After consulting with the two American Indian tribes of Florida

Were they American Indian remains?

2 posted on 10/13/2003 12:28:54 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: All

Let's keep the Dem's on the run!
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3 posted on 10/13/2003 12:29:23 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Bernard Marx
>>...the bones were expected to be reburied in a private ceremony attended only by experts....<<

Experts at what???

4 posted on 10/13/2003 12:31:06 PM PDT by FReepaholic (www.september-11-videos.com Never Forget.)
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To: Bernard Marx
When I saw that headline, my first reaction was, "I didn't know Janet Reno had gone missing."
5 posted on 10/13/2003 12:31:11 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Bernard Marx
They found Jimmy Hoffa!
6 posted on 10/13/2003 12:31:18 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Bernard Marx
It is indeed tragic that the laws in this country allow a certain race of people to destroy scientific data that would tell us so much about the history of this continent.

It is not even legal to photograph the bones before they are hidden forever by ignorant racist people who wish to remain ignorant.

What if people in Europe declared that all Neanderthal skeletons must be destroyed and all photgraphs of them removed from books? What if African people declared all of the early humanoid skeletons got the same treatment?

This is an unbelievably stupid PC law that must be revoked by congress.
7 posted on 10/13/2003 12:36:50 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Bernard Marx
He was part of a tribe of New York indians who moved there after retirement.
8 posted on 10/13/2003 12:38:00 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Bernard Marx
It is the tomb of the FL Stupid Voter.
9 posted on 10/13/2003 12:38:16 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: RightWhale
We will never know. . .
10 posted on 10/13/2003 12:40:48 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Blue Screen of Death
The SoSumee Tribe, no doubt...
11 posted on 10/13/2003 12:40:49 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; Piltdown_Woman; RadioAstronomer
An afternoon science ping...
12 posted on 10/13/2003 12:40:58 PM PDT by Junior (Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
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To: Bernard Marx; Laura Earl
Probably an Ancient Canadian on Winter vacation. Those snowbirds go way back.
13 posted on 10/13/2003 12:42:15 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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To: Flurry
if that is true, they would have found him in a grape smuggler speedo.
14 posted on 10/13/2003 12:43:25 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: RightWhale
Were they American Indian remains?

The 9th circus ruled that didn't matter in Washington and Oregon - don't know if a similar ruling was made for Florida.

15 posted on 10/13/2003 12:44:09 PM PDT by balrog666 (Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them? -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Bernard Marx
After consulting with the two American Indian tribes of Florida ...

As I understand it, there are no indians living in Florida today who are descendants of the original inhabitants. During the 300 years that Spain owned Florida, the natives were killed, died of disease, or were exported to places like Cuba as slaves. When the US bought Florida, there were vitually no indians there. Today's Seminoles came from elsewhere, so consulting with them makes no sense at all.

16 posted on 10/13/2003 12:44:48 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: bmwcyle
"It is the tomb of the FL Stupid Voter. "

Didn't they recently find evidence that the FL Stupid Voter had also settled in California?

17 posted on 10/13/2003 12:44:49 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I read somewhere else that he was wearing a plaid flannel shirt, shorts, black socks, and sandals.
18 posted on 10/13/2003 12:45:07 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Was he found in an ancient Cadillac with a tuft of white hair on his skull?
19 posted on 10/13/2003 12:45:08 PM PDT by Gman
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To: blam; callisto; Ernest_at_the_Beach; RightWhale; Rutabega; PoisedWoman; Yeti; nicotinefiend; ...




((((((growl)))))


20 posted on 10/13/2003 12:46:18 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: DannyTN
They are not sure where they lived first. It might have been Cape Cod.
21 posted on 10/13/2003 12:47:27 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: Bernard Marx

Spot never imagined the trouble he would cause when he buried the butcher's gift.


22 posted on 10/13/2003 12:48:55 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Frank_Discussion
LOL! Point made!
23 posted on 10/13/2003 12:50:06 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Gman
Was there an ancient Lotto Ticket in his pocket?
24 posted on 10/13/2003 12:50:39 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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To: tscislaw
Experts at what???

Political Correctness.

25 posted on 10/13/2003 12:53:02 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
"He lived in a simpler time with a simpler life, but this was no primitive," Dickel said.

Just what the hell does this Dickelhead think the word primitive means? What a moron.

"Even though it's only bones, we think of it as a life."

LOL! If these bones are still alive, just ask them what they want. This guy is an EXTREME moron!

Furthermore, the Indian tribes were stone age primitives when the Europeans got here, and that was not 4,000 years ago. With no writing in the Floriduh area prior to the eeeeeevil white man's arrival, how do we know these "living" bones are not of some totally unrelated tribe of stone age primitives? Hmmmm? These SoSueMe PC activists need to be shut down. Morons!
26 posted on 10/13/2003 12:53:32 PM PDT by Thorondir (iSLAM is a disease begging for a cure.)
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To: Frank_Discussion
"The SoSumee Tribe, no doubt... "

I think the government officials are from the Cya Tribe.

27 posted on 10/13/2003 12:54:03 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Cool article Ping.
28 posted on 10/13/2003 12:56:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: BigBobber
This is an unbelievably stupid PC law that must be revoked by congress..

Ah, but Congress is full of PC lawmakers. They don't have the education or wisdom to do the right thing in any instance.

29 posted on 10/13/2003 12:57:33 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: DannyTN
I think the government officials are from the Cya Tribe.

Most of the members are in academia and politics. It's the fastest-growing tribe in the U.S. Wonder when it'll open its own casino.

30 posted on 10/13/2003 12:59:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: RightWhale
Thanks.

Furthermore, it's a federal, not a state, matter.

This is a classic case where corpus standing is under the national treaty making powers authorized the Executive Branch by the Constitution, which is to say that any government relationship with this young man stems from the President of the United States, subject to what federal laws may be on the books in order to provide administrative procedures in such matters.

The assumption by the State of Florida, that two American Indian tribes in Florida ought to have some say, is nice, and it may feel good, but the jurisdiction of the young man's remains is federal, period.

Suffice to say, the young man, though long-appearing to be a "resident of Florida," is sufficiently old enough to be within the Constitutional domestic national powers recognition accorded the ancient American Indian tribes.

If the Florida based American Indian tribes wish to have some standing in this matter, they should address the White House, and the President of the United States should address them.

To be blunt: The State of Florida has no power to make a deal with any American Indian tribe regarding the national standing of any ancient American tribes, be they "Indian," "native," "indigenous," or otherwise.

But then again, you never know what laws have been to subvert this unique relationship between the tribal nations and the United States of America.

31 posted on 10/13/2003 1:00:43 PM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Very good.
32 posted on 10/13/2003 1:02:48 PM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Do you suppose that Mr. Falsetti has a high, squeaky voice?
33 posted on 10/13/2003 1:04:14 PM PDT by Ignatz (Helping people be more like me since 1960.)
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To: Flurry
"I read somewhere else that he was wearing a plaid flannel shirt, shorts, black socks, and sandals."

Ahhh...the colorful costume of the Ancient Scottish Mariner. Just a lad off-course and on holiday.

34 posted on 10/13/2003 1:05:58 PM PDT by Khurkris (Scottish/HillBilly - Revenge is an Art Form for us. Ranger On...)
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To: Flurry
And probably had a wife that had absolutely nagged him to death.
35 posted on 10/13/2003 1:12:00 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Day 3-Still love the ring!)
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To: Bernard Marx
Ancient remains found in central Florida peat farm

Well, absolutely no need to tune into Miami CSI in four weeks unless you're interested in speculation about how the guy got knocked off by his ancient gay lover in a retro disco.

36 posted on 10/13/2003 1:26:11 PM PDT by LTCJ
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To: BigBobber
This is an unbelievably stupid PC law that must be revoked by congress.

If only "must" replaced by "will be" would be believeable.

Kennewick man? We don't need no stinkin' Kennewick man!

37 posted on 10/13/2003 1:30:23 PM PDT by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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To: DannyTN
Yep!
38 posted on 10/13/2003 1:41:08 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: First_Salute
Thanks.
39 posted on 10/13/2003 1:52:16 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: RightWhale; Bernard Marx; rightofrush; Khurkris; First_Salute; Thorondir; Sabertooth; ...
"Were they American Indian remains?"

Probably Not...there were found within 50 miles of these folks.

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

40 posted on 10/13/2003 2:02:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: Bernard Marx
There's no way to prove that the remains are culturally connnected to any modern tribes. This business of returning archaic-period Indian remains to modern tribes is PC run amuck. It's like returning remains of some Proto-Celt to modern Germans or Poles.
41 posted on 10/13/2003 2:04:20 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
It's like returning remains of some Proto-Celt to modern Germans or Poles.

Right, it would be like that.

42 posted on 10/13/2003 2:06:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Bernard Marx

43 posted on 10/13/2003 2:07:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: Bernard Marx
Large sharks teeth were plentiful in the phosphate mining area east of Tampa, Florida. I once had a small collection.
44 posted on 10/13/2003 2:09:33 PM PDT by gatex
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To: Bernard Marx
That is the question of the day?

These PC people have been at PCing before it became mainstream. PC is the law of "new age" religion.
45 posted on 10/13/2003 2:12:57 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Renfield
This business of returning archaic-period Indian remains to modern tribes is PC run amuck.

Clearly. But these tribes want to keep their perks and New Age charisma as "native Americans." If they allow study of old bones someone might prove that Siberian Asians weren't here first. Thanks to Indian Casinos they also have potent political muscle -- did you follow their huge cash contributions in the CA governor's race?

46 posted on 10/13/2003 2:17:39 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: blam
Thanks for the map Blam. I hadn't realized there were so many. Do you have any info on underwater archaeology in the region? I imagine the coral would be a hindrance but this clearly is an area where water levels were much lower during the last ice age. Also, any new info on the underwater search near Cuba? I haven't seen anything for a while.
47 posted on 10/13/2003 2:25:36 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
I certainly did follow their cash contributions. This brings up an interesting point. Der Arnold says he won't raise taxes, but I heard him say, on the day following the election, that he was going to visit the issue of "Indian Casinos" as a source of more revenue (although he didn't phrase it exactly that way). I hope he puts the real squeeze on them, although I'm not holding my breath.
48 posted on 10/13/2003 2:36:54 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Bernard Marx
That's yet another field that deserves more study. 13,000 years ago, at the height of Wisconsinian glaciation, the coastline of western Florida was about 90 miles west of present-day Tampa Bay. I often wonder what's buried under the waves.
49 posted on 10/13/2003 2:40:37 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
Oil and lots of it.
50 posted on 10/13/2003 2:52:39 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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