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Ancient rock "carved faces" found: Sign of lost race, or geological processes?
BBC News/Science ^ | Monday, 20 October, 2003 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 10/20/2003 9:58:38 AM PDT by yankeedame

Last Updated: Monday, 20 October, 2003, 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK

Ancient carved 'faces' found

By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor


If this is genuine, the artist would have been an extinct human species that died out about 150,000 years ago.

Cliff face

Local inhabitants say that prehistoric human faces are nothing new to the region and point to a rock cliff that they believe has been sculpted. They call it the Face of Borzone.

In 2001, in a pile of rubble collected for use as building material, Pietro Gaietto, from the Museum of the Origins of Man, saw something unusual in one particular head-sized rock.

"If I had not spotted it, it would have been covered in concrete and put into a wall," he told BBC News Online

Pietro Gaietto says it shows two heads, facing outwards and joined at the neck. One of the faces is bearded; the other is beardless.

Conceptual thought

"It has a very expressive face," he says. "The beardless face has two eyes, a mouth and a wide nose."


The Face of Borzone

He says close inspection of the rock reveals that it has been carved and knocked into shape.

Gaietto believes the sculpture is 200,000 years old, and would have been used in rituals.

He says it would have been made by an extinct species of human called Homo erectus, of which there is evidence in the region.

Older still

Gaietto's claims are controversial because hominids such as Homo erectus are not thought to have been capable of the symbolic thought needed to create art.

The earliest examples of human artwork that scientists feel confident to describe as such are all less than 100,000 years old. The most notable items are probably the 70,000-year-old engraved ochre pieces found in the Blombos Cave of South Africa.

But there are items some researchers have claimed to be art that are even older than the faces of Borzonasca. The so-called Tan-Tan object unearthed in Morocco in 1999 is said to be a 400,000-year-old sculpted figurine.

Mainstream science, however, believes these items are not man-made at all. It argues the distinctive features have very probably been moulded by geological processes.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abunchofrocks; archeology; artbell; artifacts; charlesfort; fortean; godsgravesglyphs; rocks
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1 posted on 10/20/2003 9:58:39 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
geez, does that mean that the "Old Man in the Mountain" was also sculpted by someone?
2 posted on 10/20/2003 10:01:54 AM PDT by camle (no fool like a damned fool)
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To: yankeedame

Proof positive that the lost Midlerites did, in fact, exist.

3 posted on 10/20/2003 10:02:22 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: yankeedame
Mainstream science, however, believes these items are not man-made at all. It argues the distinctive features have very probably been moulded by geological processes.

This is my opinion also. As an avid artifact and rock hunter sometimes rocks will naturally resemble something. Heck i even saw my ex-bosses face in the wood paneling once. But i used to party alot back then.

4 posted on 10/20/2003 10:02:54 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: yankeedame; blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; Alas Babylon!; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

5 posted on 10/20/2003 10:03:24 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: yankeedame
And in related news, researchers are excited about the recent findings of renderings of humans, which proves that man at one time had very skinny arms and legs and extremely long necks:


6 posted on 10/20/2003 10:03:49 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket
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To: camle
didn't that New Hampshire thing fall a year or so ago?
7 posted on 10/20/2003 10:05:43 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: No Blue States
Basically the very first thing the human brain is wired to do visually is recognize a human face. It's deeply ingrained in our genes.

These don't look any more real than those Jesus or Elvis potato chips or whatever :-).
8 posted on 10/20/2003 10:07:31 AM PDT by John H K
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To: yankeedame
Gaietto believes the sculpture is 200,000 years old, and would have been used in rituals.

Why does every discovery have to be sacred or related to rituals? Why can't it just be that BillyBob had nothing better to do than carve a face into a rock?

9 posted on 10/20/2003 10:08:03 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: yankeedame
How could you know when something was carved on a million-year-old rock? It could have been done a couple of years ago. Yes? No?
10 posted on 10/20/2003 10:08:16 AM PDT by Consort
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To: John H K
These don't look any more real than those Jesus or Elvis potato chips or whatever :-).

Or the face on Mars.

11 posted on 10/20/2003 10:10:15 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: John H K
Thats nice to know, im not (that) crazy!

lmao at #6!

12 posted on 10/20/2003 10:11:01 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: martin_fierro

"You know, if I were a single man, I might ask that hominid out. That's a good-looking hominid."
--Bubba erectus

13 posted on 10/20/2003 10:11:10 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Bill Clinton, the Comeback Id.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Why can't it just be that BillyBob had nothing better to do than carve a face into a rock?

Are you kidding! BillyBob would have been way too busy trying to discover Budlite!

14 posted on 10/20/2003 10:12:19 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: mtbopfuyn
Why does every discovery have to be sacred or related to rituals?

Probably because almost everything we do is ritualistic.

15 posted on 10/20/2003 10:12:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Charles Henrickson
You need to get out more often.
16 posted on 10/20/2003 10:13:00 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: Consort
The artist probably inscribed the date on it.
17 posted on 10/20/2003 10:13:22 AM PDT by per loin
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To: martin_fierro

Looks more like the rumored race of Timcurrities.


18 posted on 10/20/2003 10:17:32 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (The Truth Shall Make You Free-p)
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To: mtbopfuyn
I would bet even paleoman (10,000 yrs?) would have been preoccupied with making spears and killing meat, in between making a roof over his head, defending against invaders, and building a fire to cook his bison on..etc.. Making double headed rocks probably wasnt real high on the priority list.

thank goodness for electricity and bic lighters.

19 posted on 10/20/2003 10:18:48 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: So Cal Rocket
Or that he was up to no-good:


20 posted on 10/20/2003 10:19:10 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: yankeedame
The first one looks like Joe Liberman. Which, in no way contradicts the theory that this is an extinct species that died out 150,000 years ago.
21 posted on 10/20/2003 10:19:48 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Yes, the Old Man of the Mountains fell about a year ago. I don't know whether or not they've decided to reassemble it yet. And before you condemn that as a government boondoggle, consider that it might be cheaper than to replace every single state sign, each one of which has the Old Man of the Mountain on it....
22 posted on 10/20/2003 10:20:13 AM PDT by RonF
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To: farmfriend
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

Added.

23 posted on 10/20/2003 10:21:00 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: farmfriend
Please,please,please add me to the ping list
24 posted on 10/20/2003 10:21:18 AM PDT by FreetheSouth! ("Those Rebel bastards couldn't hit an elephant at this dis..." Last words of Union General Sedgewick)
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To: Consort
How could you know when something was carved on a million-year-old rock? It could have been done a couple of years ago. Yes? No?

Actually, they can tell. When the interior of a rock is exposed to the elements through carving, it begins to oxidize. Measuring the amount of oxidation will tell you how long that rock has been exposed.

25 posted on 10/20/2003 10:22:43 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: martin_fierro
No, no! It's a good, modern representation of Webb Hubbell, Chelsea's dad.
26 posted on 10/20/2003 10:23:16 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (RATs are scum!)
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To: yankeedame; blam
Cool link to this:

Advanced Technology

These are the best kind of ooparts because they have been documented, often photographed, and examined by experts:

"Spark plug" in a geode. In 1961, the owners of a gift shop in Olancha, Calif. found a fossil-encrusted geode in the Coso Mountains. When one of the owners cut the geode in half with a diamond saw, however, he found an object inside that was obviously artificial. The object had a metal core surrounded by layers of a ceramic-like material and a hexagonal wooden sleeve. When X-rayed, the object seemed to resemble a modern spark plug or some other electronic component. Yet it had been completely encased in a geode that was covered with fossils estimated to be 500,000 years old.

Very old nail. In 1851, The Illinois Springfield Republican reported that a businessman named Hiram de Witt found a fist-sized chunk of auriferous quartz while on a trip to California. When it accidentally slipped from his hands, it split open, and out fell a cut-iron nail. The quartz was about 1 million years old.

Gold thread among the rock. The Times of London reported in 1844 that workmen quarrying stone near the River Tweed in Scotland found a piece of gold thread embedded in the rock eight feet below ground level.

Chain in coal. In 1891, Mrs. S. W. Culp, of Morrisonville, Ill. was fragmenting coal into smaller pieces for her kitchen stove when she noticed a chain stuck in the coal. The chain measured about 10 inches long and was later found to be made of eight-carat gold, and described as being "of antique and quaint workmanship." According to the Morrisonville Times of June 11, investigators concluded that the chain had not simply been accidentally dropped in with the coal, since some of the coal still clung to the chain, while the part that had separated from it still bore the impression of where the chain had been encased.

Ancient modern tools. While quarrying limestone in 1786, workers came to a bed of sand about 50 feet below ground level. In the layer of sand, however, they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of half-worked rock. Digging further, they found coins, the petrified wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools. The sand in which the discovery was made was beneath a layer of limestone dated at 300 million years old.

Mysterious vase. In June, 1851, Scientific American reprinted a report from the Boston Transcript about how a metallic vase, found in two parts, was dynamited out of solid rock 15 feet below the surface in Dorchester, Mass. The bell-shaped vase (see photo), measuring 4-1/2 inches high and 6-1/2 inches at the base, was composed of a zinc and silver alloy. On the sides were figures of flowers in bouquet arrangements, inlaid with pure silver. The estimated age of the rock out of which it came: 100,000 years.

Too-old screw. In 1865, a two-inch metal screw was discovered in a piece of feldspar unearthed from the Abbey Mine in Treasure City, Nev. The screw had long ago oxidized, but its form - particularly the shape of its threads - could be clearly seen in the feldspar. The stone was calculated to be 21 million years in age.

Ancient nanotechnology. In 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the Narada river on the eastern side of the Ural mountains in Russia found unusual, mostly spiral-shaped objects, the smallest measuring about 1/10,000th of an inch! The objects are composed of copper and the rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tests showed the objects to be between 20,000 and 318,000 years old.

There is more at the link - maps and whatnot.

27 posted on 10/20/2003 10:24:34 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: ForOurFuture; FreetheSouth!
Consider yourselves added. If you ever change your mind, just let me know.
28 posted on 10/20/2003 10:24:43 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Charles Fort lives!

;-)

29 posted on 10/20/2003 10:26:12 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (The Truth Shall Make You Free-p)
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To: Charles Henrickson

30 posted on 10/20/2003 10:26:19 AM PDT by glock rocks (Support Free Republic. Pray for our Troops. God bless America.)
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To: Paulus Invictus
yikes

31 posted on 10/20/2003 10:27:08 AM PDT by evets (Warning: graphic images.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Those are interesting, i hoped the link would explain how they got there.

Scientists often use geology and things to try to prove evolution. But low and behold their methods are sometimes proven flawed, petrified wood for example can happen much quicker than they once thought..under ideal conditions.

32 posted on 10/20/2003 10:31:54 AM PDT by No Blue States
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33 posted on 10/20/2003 10:32:53 AM PDT by w_over_w (No matter what happens this week . . . don't take the World Serious.)
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To: Consort
No.

If a million year old carving had been deposited at some time in the past, then there would have been environmental accretions adhere uniformly over the entire surface of the rock to include the indentations make by the engraving.

If someone cuts into a million year old rock this year, then the edges and surfaces of the engraving will not have the layers of accretions accumulated over the years. And there's no way to duplicate them.
34 posted on 10/20/2003 10:38:47 AM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: w_over_w
You win.
35 posted on 10/20/2003 10:43:17 AM PDT by null and void
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To: martin_fierro
It looks like Babs Streisand...
36 posted on 10/20/2003 10:51:45 AM PDT by Darksheare (Resistance is futile, but we may be placated with chocolates and shiny trinkets to add to our hord.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
yes. in the spring. we went up there in June, and all that was left was a dark spot (literally) on the mountainside.
37 posted on 10/20/2003 11:11:07 AM PDT by camle (no fool like a damned fool)
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To: yankeedame
Well, you guys can say what you like, but for my money Mount Rushmore is all by itself the most amazing natural rock formation in the history of the known universe.

And that's saying a lot.

(I think)
38 posted on 10/20/2003 11:36:05 AM PDT by Psalm118 (ONE WAY or the "other", we will all hafta deal with the mindboggling TRUE statement in John 14:9.)
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To: yankeedame
"Gaietto believes the sculpture is 200,000 years old"

Too much vino rosso.
39 posted on 10/20/2003 11:41:04 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: camle
uh huh.
40 posted on 10/20/2003 11:41:34 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Actually, it fell last May.
41 posted on 10/20/2003 11:43:49 AM PDT by RonF
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To: yankeedame
What?!?! 40+ replies and no John Kerry/Easter Island statue comparisons. This is a hugh oversight on the Freepers' part, seriesly hugh!
42 posted on 10/20/2003 11:51:00 AM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: mtbopfuyn
Why does every discovery have to be sacred or related to rituals?

It's a ritual of another sort, peculiar to modern archaeologists.

43 posted on 10/20/2003 12:42:49 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: farmfriend
"Actually, they can tell. When the interior of a rock is exposed to the elements through carving, it begins to oxidize. Measuring the amount of oxidation will tell you how long that rock has been exposed."

Yup, that's how they exposed the writing on the stone box that was suppose to have contained the body of Jesus' brother.

45 posted on 10/20/2003 1:12:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: w_over_w
Now THAT is an ancient face, scarred by life.
46 posted on 10/20/2003 1:13:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: HenryLeeII
Not so hugh . . . not so hugh! I did a Paul Atriedes "caption" search of the Kerry/Easter Island pic . . . it's been converted into a box with a little red X inside. I'm series!

So, I took a shower and came up with the next best thing . . . post #33. Goodnight!

47 posted on 10/20/2003 1:23:30 PM PDT by w_over_w (No matter what happens this week . . . don't take the World Serious.)
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To: Marysecretary
Read your profile . . . God bless you too!
48 posted on 10/20/2003 1:29:07 PM PDT by w_over_w (No matter what happens this week . . . don't take the World Serious.)
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To: yankeedame
Omigod!

Last night, at Sizzler, I destroyed what I thought was a baked potato, but which probably was an important pre-historic artifact! It looked sorta like a face!

And today, I saw a cloud that I think was created by ancient wise sky people, which they created to represent a boat/ship/horse kinda thing, if you looked at it just right!
49 posted on 10/20/2003 1:35:40 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: w_over_w
hideous! pure evil!!! where was the barf alert?!?!?!
50 posted on 10/20/2003 1:37:55 PM PDT by HenryLeeII
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