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Ancient rock "carved faces" found: Sign of lost race, or geological processes?
BBC News/Science ^ | Monday, 20 October, 2003 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 10/20/2003 9:58:38 AM PDT by yankeedame

Last Updated: Monday, 20 October, 2003, 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK

Ancient carved 'faces' found

By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor

If this is genuine, the artist would have been an extinct human species that died out about 150,000 years ago.

Cliff face

Local inhabitants say that prehistoric human faces are nothing new to the region and point to a rock cliff that they believe has been sculpted. They call it the Face of Borzone.

In 2001, in a pile of rubble collected for use as building material, Pietro Gaietto, from the Museum of the Origins of Man, saw something unusual in one particular head-sized rock.

"If I had not spotted it, it would have been covered in concrete and put into a wall," he told BBC News Online

Pietro Gaietto says it shows two heads, facing outwards and joined at the neck. One of the faces is bearded; the other is beardless.

Conceptual thought

"It has a very expressive face," he says. "The beardless face has two eyes, a mouth and a wide nose."

The Face of Borzone

He says close inspection of the rock reveals that it has been carved and knocked into shape.

Gaietto believes the sculpture is 200,000 years old, and would have been used in rituals.

He says it would have been made by an extinct species of human called Homo erectus, of which there is evidence in the region.

Older still

Gaietto's claims are controversial because hominids such as Homo erectus are not thought to have been capable of the symbolic thought needed to create art.

The earliest examples of human artwork that scientists feel confident to describe as such are all less than 100,000 years old. The most notable items are probably the 70,000-year-old engraved ochre pieces found in the Blombos Cave of South Africa.

But there are items some researchers have claimed to be art that are even older than the faces of Borzonasca. The so-called Tan-Tan object unearthed in Morocco in 1999 is said to be a 400,000-year-old sculpted figurine.

Mainstream science, however, believes these items are not man-made at all. It argues the distinctive features have very probably been moulded by geological processes.

TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abunchofrocks; archeology; artbell; artifacts; charlesfort; fortean; godsgravesglyphs; rocks
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To: yankeedame
The first one looks like Joe Liberman. Which, in no way contradicts the theory that this is an extinct species that died out 150,000 years ago.
21 posted on 10/20/2003 10:19:48 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Yes, the Old Man of the Mountains fell about a year ago. I don't know whether or not they've decided to reassemble it yet. And before you condemn that as a government boondoggle, consider that it might be cheaper than to replace every single state sign, each one of which has the Old Man of the Mountain on it....
22 posted on 10/20/2003 10:20:13 AM PDT by RonF
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To: farmfriend
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.


23 posted on 10/20/2003 10:21:00 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: farmfriend
Please,please,please add me to the ping list
24 posted on 10/20/2003 10:21:18 AM PDT by FreetheSouth! ("Those Rebel bastards couldn't hit an elephant at this dis..." Last words of Union General Sedgewick)
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To: Consort
How could you know when something was carved on a million-year-old rock? It could have been done a couple of years ago. Yes? No?

Actually, they can tell. When the interior of a rock is exposed to the elements through carving, it begins to oxidize. Measuring the amount of oxidation will tell you how long that rock has been exposed.

25 posted on 10/20/2003 10:22:43 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: martin_fierro
No, no! It's a good, modern representation of Webb Hubbell, Chelsea's dad.
26 posted on 10/20/2003 10:23:16 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (RATs are scum!)
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To: yankeedame; blam
Cool link to this:

Advanced Technology

These are the best kind of ooparts because they have been documented, often photographed, and examined by experts:

"Spark plug" in a geode. In 1961, the owners of a gift shop in Olancha, Calif. found a fossil-encrusted geode in the Coso Mountains. When one of the owners cut the geode in half with a diamond saw, however, he found an object inside that was obviously artificial. The object had a metal core surrounded by layers of a ceramic-like material and a hexagonal wooden sleeve. When X-rayed, the object seemed to resemble a modern spark plug or some other electronic component. Yet it had been completely encased in a geode that was covered with fossils estimated to be 500,000 years old.

Very old nail. In 1851, The Illinois Springfield Republican reported that a businessman named Hiram de Witt found a fist-sized chunk of auriferous quartz while on a trip to California. When it accidentally slipped from his hands, it split open, and out fell a cut-iron nail. The quartz was about 1 million years old.

Gold thread among the rock. The Times of London reported in 1844 that workmen quarrying stone near the River Tweed in Scotland found a piece of gold thread embedded in the rock eight feet below ground level.

Chain in coal. In 1891, Mrs. S. W. Culp, of Morrisonville, Ill. was fragmenting coal into smaller pieces for her kitchen stove when she noticed a chain stuck in the coal. The chain measured about 10 inches long and was later found to be made of eight-carat gold, and described as being "of antique and quaint workmanship." According to the Morrisonville Times of June 11, investigators concluded that the chain had not simply been accidentally dropped in with the coal, since some of the coal still clung to the chain, while the part that had separated from it still bore the impression of where the chain had been encased.

Ancient modern tools. While quarrying limestone in 1786, workers came to a bed of sand about 50 feet below ground level. In the layer of sand, however, they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of half-worked rock. Digging further, they found coins, the petrified wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools. The sand in which the discovery was made was beneath a layer of limestone dated at 300 million years old.

Mysterious vase. In June, 1851, Scientific American reprinted a report from the Boston Transcript about how a metallic vase, found in two parts, was dynamited out of solid rock 15 feet below the surface in Dorchester, Mass. The bell-shaped vase (see photo), measuring 4-1/2 inches high and 6-1/2 inches at the base, was composed of a zinc and silver alloy. On the sides were figures of flowers in bouquet arrangements, inlaid with pure silver. The estimated age of the rock out of which it came: 100,000 years.

Too-old screw. In 1865, a two-inch metal screw was discovered in a piece of feldspar unearthed from the Abbey Mine in Treasure City, Nev. The screw had long ago oxidized, but its form - particularly the shape of its threads - could be clearly seen in the feldspar. The stone was calculated to be 21 million years in age.

Ancient nanotechnology. In 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the Narada river on the eastern side of the Ural mountains in Russia found unusual, mostly spiral-shaped objects, the smallest measuring about 1/10,000th of an inch! The objects are composed of copper and the rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tests showed the objects to be between 20,000 and 318,000 years old.

There is more at the link - maps and whatnot.

27 posted on 10/20/2003 10:24:34 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: ForOurFuture; FreetheSouth!
Consider yourselves added. If you ever change your mind, just let me know.
28 posted on 10/20/2003 10:24:43 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Charles Fort lives!


29 posted on 10/20/2003 10:26:12 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (The Truth Shall Make You Free-p)
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30 posted on 10/20/2003 10:26:19 AM PDT by glock rocks (Support Free Republic. Pray for our Troops. God bless America.)
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31 posted on 10/20/2003 10:27:08 AM PDT by evets (Warning: graphic images.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Those are interesting, i hoped the link would explain how they got there.

Scientists often use geology and things to try to prove evolution. But low and behold their methods are sometimes proven flawed, petrified wood for example can happen much quicker than they once thought..under ideal conditions.

32 posted on 10/20/2003 10:31:54 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: yankeedame

33 posted on 10/20/2003 10:32:53 AM PDT by w_over_w (No matter what happens this week . . . don't take the World Serious.)
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To: Consort

If a million year old carving had been deposited at some time in the past, then there would have been environmental accretions adhere uniformly over the entire surface of the rock to include the indentations make by the engraving.

If someone cuts into a million year old rock this year, then the edges and surfaces of the engraving will not have the layers of accretions accumulated over the years. And there's no way to duplicate them.
34 posted on 10/20/2003 10:38:47 AM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: w_over_w
You win.
35 posted on 10/20/2003 10:43:17 AM PDT by null and void
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To: martin_fierro
It looks like Babs Streisand...
36 posted on 10/20/2003 10:51:45 AM PDT by Darksheare (Resistance is futile, but we may be placated with chocolates and shiny trinkets to add to our hord.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
yes. in the spring. we went up there in June, and all that was left was a dark spot (literally) on the mountainside.
37 posted on 10/20/2003 11:11:07 AM PDT by camle (no fool like a damned fool)
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To: yankeedame
Well, you guys can say what you like, but for my money Mount Rushmore is all by itself the most amazing natural rock formation in the history of the known universe.

And that's saying a lot.

(I think)
38 posted on 10/20/2003 11:36:05 AM PDT by Psalm118 (ONE WAY or the "other", we will all hafta deal with the mindboggling TRUE statement in John 14:9.)
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To: yankeedame
"Gaietto believes the sculpture is 200,000 years old"

Too much vino rosso.
39 posted on 10/20/2003 11:41:04 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: camle
uh huh.
40 posted on 10/20/2003 11:41:34 AM PDT by Twinkie
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