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Box Cutters on Planes 5 Weeks, FBI Says
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| Oct 20, 2003
Posted on 10/20/2003 10:06:40 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe; Dog; Miss Marple; Molly Pitcher; Chairman_December_19th_Society; Howlin; ...
Interesting info.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:12:50 AM PDT
by
kayak
(The Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy is truly Vast! [JohnHuang2])
To: george wythe
5 weeks !.....and some people here think this wasn't a breach in security and are mad at the messenger more than his message.
To: SouthernFreebird
His sentence should be a 10 years......in a highly paid consultancy job with airline security.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:16:02 AM PDT
by
Shermy
Who is Nathaniel Heatwole?Nathaniel Heatwole is a junior political science major and campus radio station disc jockey who has won numerous awards, his father said. The Potomac Valley Radio Club, for example, awarded the college student a $1,000 scholarship this year, according to the Foundation for Amateur Radio Web site. He also won an award for exemplary writing, according to the Guilford College Web site.
Dean's Award for First-Year Writing
To: george wythe
There is a lot of informed analysis of airline security published on the web. Bruce Schneier has comments published that are expert and to the point, and not at all flattering to the government. It appears that the Federal airline security program is not well thought out, very expensive, and vexing to the public.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:30:18 AM PDT
by
Iris7
(Victory, always Victory, at any cost, though the beasts of Hell march against us!!!!!)
To: Iris7
Bruce Schneier the cryptographer?
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:32:27 AM PDT
by
BullDog108
(KNOW YOUR ENEMY! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
To: george wythe
Nathaniel Heatwole is a junior political science major and campus radio station disc jockey who.........is a publicity hound.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:32:46 AM PDT
by
elbucko
To: BullDog108
Correct, the Bruce Schneier who wrote _Applied Cryptography_. He has shifted his efforts to network security, and his clear insightful mind to security problems these days.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:37:27 AM PDT
by
Iris7
(Victory, always Victory, at any cost, though the beasts of Hell march against us!!!!!)
To: Shermy
Unfortunately, the feds will hammer him for DARING to embarass the Thousands Standing Around.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:37:47 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Iris7
Thanx. I wondered what happened to him. Still have Applied Cryptography on my bookshelf from school days. Phil Zimmerman and Bruce are giants.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:39:32 AM PDT
by
BullDog108
(KNOW YOUR ENEMY! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
To: Shermy
Agreed.
To: Iris7
Bruce Schneier has comments published that are expert and to the point, and not at all flattering to the government. It appears that the Federal airline security program is not well thought out, very expensive, and vexing to the public. That has been my impression also.
A few weeks ago when I went through the airport screening loop, my bag showed something 'suspicious' (probably my electric razor). I was stopped for further screening.
I begged the screener to let me go without opening my bag, because I was very late for my flight, and she complied.
Of course, I did not have any threatening item in my bag, but I was given special treatment (at my request, I concede). I suspect this college student used his charm also to smuggle these items into the airplane.
The screeners have a thankless job, and they will get heat from both ends.
It seems that expecting screeners to stop any non-allowed items into the airplanes is unrealistic.
To: george wythe
This guy attenda college in upstate NY near the Vermont border. I think Vermont politics seeped over the border and infected his brain.
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posted on
10/20/2003 10:56:19 AM PDT
by
1Old Pro
(ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
To: 1Old Pro
I think Vermont politics seeped over the border and infected his brain. We might not like the messenger, but the message is loud and clear:
We are wasting a lot of money and time confiscating nail clippers from grandmothers trying to board an airplane.
To stop terrorism, we need to stop giving visas to people who don't even file the right paperwork, to stop allowing entrance to foreigners with phony visas, and to start deporting foreigners when their phony visas have expired.
We also need to pay attention to FBI agents and informers when they tell us that some wanna-be terrorist is taking flight lessons, but he does not want to learn to land the airplanes.
Of course, all the people who dropped the ball in 2001 kept their jobs; on the other hand, law-abiding citizens are expected to keep giving up more of their freedom.
To: george wythe
Kudos to this kid who did what I would like to, but don't have the guts to do.
Hope he has a good lawyer lined up as well as a PR rep and can successfully milk the public's sympathy to avoid jail time.
The Feds don't like being told the emperor is naked.
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posted on
10/20/2003 11:28:38 AM PDT
by
ibbryn
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To: george wythe
5 weeks. Long enough for some radical Muslim to discover them while sitting in the loo and think to himself: "It's my lucky day! Praise Allah!"
Don't let him off, he did risk others by his foolish behavior. He is no hero.
To: deannadurbin
5 weeks. Long enough for some radical Muslim to discover them What do you think about the FBI agents ignoring his e-mails alerting them about these items?
To: george wythe
TSA was told where the items were. They didn't even look for them. The items were found by SWA crew. Those are the facts, as I read the stories. A 5 week period elapsed between placement and discovery.
TSA is in charge of aircraft security. FBI comes in after a crime has been commited (in this case, the e-mail indicated comission of a crime). TSA really dropped the ball. TSA is in charge of aircraft security, and when told of forbidden materials being placed, didn't even look in those -2- places.
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posted on
10/20/2003 11:36:32 AM PDT
by
Cboldt
To: Cboldt
TSA is in charge of aircraft security. FBI comes in after a crime has been commited (in this case, the e-mail indicated comission of a crime). TSA really dropped the ball. Thank you for the clarification.
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