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Legislature Acts To Save Schiavo
The St. Petersburg Times ^
| Oct 21, 2003
| ALLISON NORTH JONES and ELAINE SILVESTRINI
Posted on 10/21/2003 6:51:47 AM PDT by amdgmary
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To: fqued
you wrote "In many states, if the person is unconscious or in a coma, advance medical directives are allowed and are followed, including those where a person is given medical power of attorney. In the absense of written advance medical directives, many states have a system for husband/wife/family to be medical proxy. "
I certainly agree with that, and the fact that I would not want any elected or appointed government official to take away those rights. What seems to be at odds in this particular case, is that the wishes of the husband (who seems to have a motive to dispose of his wife) are taken by the courts above the wishes of her birth family. I am not clear on the legal issues here, and would like to see a fair and humane policy put in place. The checks and balances of our system are all too often replaced or superseded by judges with their own interpretations of the law.
To: fqued
That was an incredibly good post. Just when I thought I about had my mind made up about this case, you go and throw another monkey wrench into it.
To: kancel
The right to get rid of inconvenient relatives seems to outweigh all other rights...
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posted on
10/21/2003 7:51:24 AM PDT
by
Sabatier
To: mattdono
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Just so everyone is aware, Jeb has been working vigorously on this issue. It is my understanding that he has been doing everything that he could to help Terri."
You're talking to a nearly empty room.
There are those that read, separate fact from fiction, and understand. Then there are those that follow rumor and inuendo, toss in some hysterics, get a rope and scream for a lynching.
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posted on
10/21/2003 7:54:59 AM PDT
by
G.Mason
(Lessons of life need not be fatal)
To: amdgmary
``This bill so oversteps our role, it not only sets a dangerous precedent, it turns democracy on its head,'' said Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach."
Horse hillary. Legislatures are supposed to make law, not courts.
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posted on
10/21/2003 7:57:12 AM PDT
by
dsc
To: tgbluesky
"
What seems to be at odds in this particular case, is that the wishes of the husband (who seems to have a motive to dispose of his wife) are taken by the courts above the wishes of her birth family. I am not clear on the legal issues here ....... "
Like it or not the husband and his wishes take precedence over Terri's mother and father.
That is what the legal issue is here.
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posted on
10/21/2003 7:59:44 AM PDT
by
G.Mason
(Lessons of life need not be fatal)
To: antiRepublicrat
There are cases where a person wounds another, the wounded person refuses treatment and dies, and the attacker is charged with murder, not assault, not attempted murder, but murder itself.
One case: guy stabs a woman who is a Jehovah's Witness. At the hospital she is told that if she has a blood transfusion she will live and be fine, if not she will die. She refuses, because of her religion. She dies. Guy is charged with murder.
Right to refuse medical treatment was the difference between life and death / murder and assault.
I LIKE this right, and any religious person or Jeffersonian Conservative should like this right, BUT Terri's case points out the need to tweak the system so that someone can step in where a travesty MIGHT occur, without trampling on the right itself.
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posted on
10/21/2003 8:01:28 AM PDT
by
fqued
(The mainstream media wouldn't over-rate anyone, would they?)
To: fqued
To: kancel
"I don't understand how a judge can rule on a case where being able to actually physically see the evidence is important when said judge cannot see."
Are you kidding? This guy is blind?
Why hasn't that been an issue?
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posted on
10/21/2003 8:04:59 AM PDT
by
dsc
To: lewistopher
To: mattdono
I know some people don't like Jeb and have angst built up for him being a Republican, a Bush, whatever, but he is a compassionate man and is doing everything possible. I agree.
To: dsc
reminds me of a story of 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows an a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. man walked in, said all rise; we all stood up, obie stood up with the 27 8x10 color glossy pictures, and the judge walked in with a seein' eye dog. and obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the 27 8x10 color glossy pictures and then again at the seein eye dog. And then again at the 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explainin' what each one was to be used as evidence against us and began to cry, because obie had come tothe realization that it was a typical case of american blind justice and the judge wasn't gonna look at the 27 8x10 color glossy pictures, and there was nothin' he could do about it.
my dad just visited the church last week. the railroad tracks really aren't 1/2 mile away - more like 150 yards!
To: fqued
>Ignoring this case for the moment, the system essentially enshrines that basic right to refuse medical treatment, even if it results in death.
However, there is something VERY wrong with a system that allows a person, who has a financial stake in another's death, to make the decision to refuse treatment on that helpless citizen's behalf.
To: lewistopher
Is it still a restaurant?
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posted on
10/21/2003 8:12:38 AM PDT
by
dsc
To: G.Mason
Why can anyone decide for anyone else, to stop them from being fed, which is what they are doing. She is breathing on her own, heart beating ect. Starving her to death is most cruel. Why doesn't this guy just let the parents take care of her? Why does he want her to starve to death?
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posted on
10/21/2003 8:12:41 AM PDT
by
Frankss
To: Darnright
"However, there is something VERY wrong with a system that allows a person, who has a financial stake in another's death, to make the decision to refuse treatment on that helpless citizen's behalf."
Yer darn right.
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posted on
10/21/2003 8:13:22 AM PDT
by
dsc
To: dsc
he didn't go to the restaurant, he went to the church - remember, alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the bell tower with her husband ray and facha the dog, and seeing as they had all that space where the pews used to be, they decided they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time.
To: Frankss
It's the money he'll inherit. Remainder of medical trust fund. Also I understand the judge allowed firing of the trustee of that fund. Could it just be because it was being used for other purposes? Also--parents believe hubby had something to do with her condition. hubbys rush to cremation when she's still alive raises red flags.
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posted on
10/21/2003 8:54:58 AM PDT
by
texaslil
To: fqued
I agree completely. It is the part about the right to make a decision devolves to a spouse in cases that makes me worry. If they can stop this guy from making decisions for his wife (whatever bad motives may be there), what could happen to my right to make decisions for my wife or children? It is scary that the legislature is doing an end-run around these rights.
That the apparently are drafting this very narrowly and carefully is somewhat consoling, but in doing that they are somewhat attempting a bill of attainder, which is unsettling. I believe that is what the man in the article was referring to with his misgivings.
The sober people of America are weary of the fluctuating policy which has directed the public councils. They have seen with regret and indignation that sudden changes and legislative interferences, in cases affecting personal rights, become jobs in the hands of enterprising and influential speculators...
--- James Madison
To: OXENinFLA
....Quite scary, but, interesting.
....I believe Mr. Black, but doubt the use Eugenics was limited to CT !!!!!!
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posted on
10/21/2003 9:59:54 AM PDT
by
GrandMoM
("What is impossible with men is possible with GOD -Luke 18:27)
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