Posted on 10/21/2003 4:15:33 PM PDT by SLB
Markets fail to provide public goods, and that is what the governments are supposed to do
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." - I dunno, nothing about the providing "public goods" here.
After all I've shown, if you deny that Mann was:
you're either in denial or you are merely gainsaying my statements of fact.
Too bad ole Horace never met Mohammed Atta.
In 1774, Pierre Samuel du Pont, at the request of King Stanislaus-Augustus helped organize a national education system both in Poland and in the United States. It was the goal of the Masonic/Illuminati goal to control education and take it out of the hands of sincere Christians.
Public schools are nothing more than mental institutions designed to force secularized "religion" down children's throats. By the time that child graduates from college, they haven't a clue who they are because the school system has already "molded" them into something they are not.
Not true...what one needs is Jesus.
It's harder to explain than it is to do, but it does require a relatively large investment of time.
Here's the Readers Digest version:
1. Make sure the child is always involved with some project that he/she is interested in at that point of their life, (something valid, meaningful and mutually agreed to, of course).
2. Do step # 1 thoughtfully and you automatically have their full attention and focus, as opposed to "watching the history channel" at a mandatory time when their attention is far removed, (daydreaming).
3. Do the project/activity with the child.
4. Connect the project/activity to real world, real time instruction. For example, (albeit an extreme one), I once taught a killer geometry class while fishing. Taught my then six year old all about angles while angling. Living the good life and learning at the same time.
5. Enjoy and cherish the time you have together.
I hope this is somewhat understandable.
I think this is a common misconception with homeschooled children. The only "socialization" they miss out on is the "socialization" that would have happened while they were in school (and I don't believe that is positive, in most cases.) Other relationships that a child would normally experience in his life remain intact.
My son is an only child. We live two doors away from my sister. She had 6 children, her oldest was 12 when he was born, her youngest was born 2 years after my son. So his "sibling" relationships have been with his cousins. Now these relationships extend to my older niece and nephew's families who also live very close to us. They have toddlers and babies, so he's also getting experience in babysitting, LOL.
However, apart from the cousins, he's always had interaction with kids from church, the neighborhood, sports activites, and homeschool support groups.
He seems to make friends very easily, and our home is always filled with kids (we bought a pool table last year and that seems to be a major draw, LOL).
There were times when we were traveling and he did not have contact with other children for weeks on end, but we were in different countries and the culture shock and sights to see totally distracted him from that fact.
He has never complained of boredom, or lack of social interaction.
I'm not sure what the explanation for this would be (maybe the fact that they aren't isolated with only their own age group for hours on end in school.)
He's the only teenager in the neighborhood willing to play street football with the "little kids" (ages 10-12). Some of the neighborhood moms have asked me if he minds their sons coming over or views them as pests, since they are a couple years younger than he is. And I can honestly say, he doesn't seem to discrimate whether the kid is 10, 12 or his age. He doesn't think it's "uncool" to play video games or pool with kids younger than himself or help in building a fort with my nieces 6 and 3 year old sons.
And on the other extreme, he socializes in his college class just fine and when I ask him if they know how old he is, he says they never ask, they just treat me like one of the class.
Here again, I credit this to the homeschooling experience.
OK, with this I see that you're just slinging vitriolic platitudes. Tell me how on earth you surmise that the temperance movement was a libertarian favorite? If you knew even the first thing about libertarianism, you'd see what an utterly foolish and ignorant assertion you've just made.
From what I've read he is quite respectable, but I think he is overreaching to replace the "lockstep" of public education with the "lockstep" of his version of HOME-schooling.
The point is well made that each child learns differently, but he seems to think that they should all be educated in the way his children were.
Perhaps a bit arrogant...
Constitution is not economics. And, incidentally, at that time, there was no knowlege of distinction between the public and private goods. We did not know that the speed of light is maximal possible either. It's been a while, you know.
Constitution, however much I revere it, is not the place to which one turns to learn phyiscs. Or mathematics. Or economics.
I understand your point of view on Mann. I very much appreciate your detailed exposisition. I am sorry to say, however, that I did not find your arguments convinicing. Thanks again for writing.
It's irony man. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm?
Mr. Hirsch's beliefs and agenda warrent further examination. I'll retract his inclusion in the "Hall of Shame" for the time being. Sorry for my rush to judgement Mr. Hirsch.
Tyranny has been around for a much longer. The Constitution was meant to limit government not to fertilize it. I urge you to reverence the Constitution in a vigorous and thoughtful way and not just sentimentally. Thanks for the conversation. I'm sorry I could not convince you.
"I have no quibble with homeschoolers, provided they actually have some mastery of the subject matter. "
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Mastery? I would throw out the thought....that very, very few public school teachers have a mastery ( in the true sense of the word...)of the subjects they teach.
Well...I guess you would have a "quibble" with my wife and I.......But hey, a quibble there, or a quibble here...never stopped me before. HA!!
FWIW...many of the wisest people I've ever known...weren't "well educated". And conversely some of the most ignorant stumps I've ever seen had Masters degrees hanging on their walls.
FRegards,
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