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Attack of the Nazi Trolls: A Lesson for Message Board Moderators
Richardpoe.com ^ | 10-27-03 | Richard Poe

Posted on 10/27/2003 11:53:33 AM PST by SJackson

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 13:41

Attack of the Nazi Trolls: A Lesson for Message Board Moderators

In a recent blog entry titled, "I've Been Red-Baited!", I wrote, "I'm not familiar with LibertyForum.org, but it appears to be an anti-Bush, anti-war message board with a distinctly anti-Jewish undertone."

A member of LibertyForum.org named Max Soldo (aka "thoughtcriminal") has responded by e-mail and provided further clarification of LibertyForum's political orientation. He writes:

This forum is a libertarian forum, and is devoted to the libertarian concept of unabashed free speech. With that principle in mind, most posters aren't libertarian as many fringe types have taken advantage of this policy (which includes a no-banning policy) to run amok...hence the preponderance of anti-Jewish posts on this forum.

All of this raises interesting questions for any message board moderator -- such as myself -- who has tried his best to allow a relatively high level of free expression. Inevitably, Nazi trolls find your forum and begin probing your defenses. If you allow them to post messages, they immediately spread the word to other Nazi trolls and soon your message board is infested.

At that point, all the normal people stop posting. It's a bit like when a fight breaks out in a bar and everyone stops talking and turns to watch the fight, transfixed. Suddenly, your message board becomes an arena for Nazi trolls and people arguing with Nazi trolls.

This is called "free speech."

I decided long ago that allowing Nazi trolls to occupy my message board and drive off everyone who does not share their idiosyncratic obsessions is a very poor method for encouraging "free speech." Therefore, I make frequent and forceful use of such allegedly un-libertarian methods as censoring and, when necessary, banning troublemakers, brownshirted or otherwise.

Apparently, the decision-makers at LibertyForum.org have adopted a different approach. As a result, their self-styled "libertarian" message board has become, by Mr. Soldo's description, a playground for non-libertarian "fringe types" to "run amok."

"It does get quite ugly at times, but that's the price one pays for sticking to one's principles," writes Mr. Soldo in a subsequent e-mail.

Well, if that's the price, I don't think I'm willing to pay it. I will add the sad fate of LibertyForum.org to my growing list of reasons for rethinking whether or not I wish to continue calling myself a "libertarian."

 


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: antisemites; antisemitism; bannedfreeperhangout; libertarian; libertarians; libertyforum; nazis; nazism; needabouncer; neonazis; religion; religousintolerance; richardpoe; trolls
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To: veronica
Please don't use this thread to curse and slime Free Republic.

That never happened and it's slimey to say it did.

51 posted on 10/27/2003 12:39:33 PM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Dane
Yeah, and the sky is also green.

Only if Jim says.

(oh wait... that's here).

52 posted on 10/27/2003 12:39:42 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
Have you ever thought that maybe it was YOU that brings out the worst in otherwise normal people?
53 posted on 10/27/2003 12:40:58 PM PST by 11B3 (Use the Gitmo prisoners for bayonnet course target dummies.)
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To: SJackson
Good lord Jackson! Your thread "Attack of the Nazi Trolls: A Lesson for Message Board Moderators"; -- is being Attacked by FR's Nazi Trolls!
54 posted on 10/27/2003 12:41:36 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Protagoras
Where I come from the word sh** is a curse word, and blaming FR for the fact that banned FReepers hightail it elsewhere is not just slimey, but absurd.
55 posted on 10/27/2003 12:42:46 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: veronica
Please don't use this thread to curse and slime Free Republic.

Yeah, this thread is only meant for you and your buddies to curse and slime Liberty Forum. How dare we speak up for ourselves!

56 posted on 10/27/2003 12:42:46 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: tpaine
Dang. My Lame Filter must not be working.
57 posted on 10/27/2003 12:42:54 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: dead
FOOD FIGHT!!!
58 posted on 10/27/2003 12:43:43 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: 11B3
Can you show us the otherwise normal people here?

59 posted on 10/27/2003 12:44:22 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: MadameAxe
This is an article from a website, written by a well-known writer who is a Conservative, or at least writes for a leading Conservative website. Deal with it.
60 posted on 10/27/2003 12:45:10 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: AppyPappy
Funny... A bunch of lame pap is pouring out of your mouth..
61 posted on 10/27/2003 12:45:50 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: OWK
Only if Jim says.

(oh wait... that's here)

You really have a burr up your you know where, that you are not King of FR, IMO.

Oh well, IMO, Jim doesn't consider himself King, either, but you sure do your best using tired old leftist language trying to make you "burr up your you know what" point.

62 posted on 10/27/2003 12:46:53 PM PST by Dane
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To: SJackson
Poe is saying that he no longer considers himself a libertarian, I surmise because 'libertarian forums' don't work because they don't keep out bad ideas, and then gives a case in point being LF and the presence of particularly 'Nazi trolls' as opposed to say statist or leftwing liberals trolls.

A rightwing libertarian would rather explore the praxeology of libertarian ideas and the unfettered marketplace of ideas on the web and talk about his own experience exercising property rights to keep out unwanted elements.

Now, I don't care for the pronouncements on the joy of killing A-rabs or the French, the bombing of civilians or the folks on this site (Brian S and Yonif) who believe that the United States is struck by a natural disaster when the US slights Israel. I don't advocate banning anybody I just want to engage these people in the marketplace of ideas using a variety of tactics.

To me that is the "fascist pseudo hate site" stuff you speak of because nobody on your side of the ideological divide calls them on it.
63 posted on 10/27/2003 12:48:17 PM PST by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: tpaine
"Can you show us the otherwise normal people here?"

I used to be considered "normal" but then someone from LF found out I was a "Merchant" in real life and now I've been branded a "Free Tratior" here at FR.

I was gonna go over to LF but I heard I would have to wear a yellow star there so I thought I would just stick here and deal with the "Free Tratior" thing as it comes.

Oh yeah, and I want a pony!

64 posted on 10/27/2003 12:49:32 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: SJackson
My take on this is that Free Republic is a forum for conservative activists, whereas Liberty Forum is a free for all.

I get mighty suspiciuos when someone calls for moderation of any forum. It works here because Jim uses common sense instead of a heavy hand, to keep it on a constructive conservative track.

Newsmax had a popular free for all forum until the moderator wars destroyed it. I think the people at Liberty are keeping that in mind.
65 posted on 10/27/2003 12:51:52 PM PST by LittleJoe
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To: Mad Dawgg
The skinheads over there all think I'm a double-secret jewish masonic mossad double-naught spy.

Anyone who calls them for what they are, must be "one of them jews".

It's more a laugh than anything.

66 posted on 10/27/2003 12:52:32 PM PST by OWK
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To: MadameAxe; OWK
Yeah, this thread is only meant for you and your buddies to curse and slime Liberty Forum. How dare we speak up for ourselves

Uh MA, having OWK "speak" up for you, is a definition of the word oxymoronic, IMO.

BTW, MA, do you still listen by your radio with baited breath every Thanksgiving, hoping that your local doper FM radio station plays "Alice's Restaurant" by Arlo Guthrie.

Ah yes, the anarchist sticking the the finger to the man, the true meaning of anarchist Thanksgiving.

67 posted on 10/27/2003 12:52:39 PM PST by Dane
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To: veronica
Where I come from the word sh** is a curse word,

If that was your problem, why didn't you say so?

The only thing absurd is you ignoring the fact that they were sent there.

68 posted on 10/27/2003 12:52:43 PM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: JohnGalt; John Robinson
A free market place of ideas can be scary but I believe the cream always rises and the worst folks generally are not that talented or compelling.
69 posted on 10/27/2003 12:53:09 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: OWK
The skinheads over there all think I'm a double-secret jewish masonic mossad double-naught spy.

You're not? Damn, that's why I left. :^}

70 posted on 10/27/2003 12:54:17 PM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: OWK
Didn't have a lick of trouble with the skinheads until they got kicked off this site (and Jim pointed them in our direction).

Sorry, but that's how it was.

You guys dumped your trash in the well, and then bitch about the water quality.

I see a bit of wanting to have your cake and eat it too here, OWK. On the one hand, you want to say that we poisoned the LF well by getting rid of people over here, but on the other hand you want to complain about the filtration system here.

I am glad about one thing, though. From what I had gleaned from several of your posts to me recently, you were of the opinion that MAF and I in particular, and the moderators in general, were guilty of trying to purge libertarians. It is good to see you admit, indirectly, that this was not the case.

But to say that we were pointing people over to LF is not accurate. For that, you can thank whoever "Vallandigham" is, for as this post shows, he was the one directing people over to LF.

So you think LF now has a problem. Since LF is trying to be run by a particular set of ideals, it should be interesting to see how it resolves this problem. I doubt that placing the blame for the problem externally is going to lead to a solution. Especially when you incorrectly place the blame.

Regards

71 posted on 10/27/2003 12:54:37 PM PST by Dales
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To: OWK
Only if Jim says.

I had always thought you to be much more thoughtful person than what you are demonstrating on this thread.

Perhaps you are just much younger than I had thought.

72 posted on 10/27/2003 12:54:39 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Oh yeah, and I want a pony!
64 -dawg-




All I ever wanted from FR was a cheesy little bit of respect to go with my whine..

Instead I get sermons on unclean hands.. Tain't fair I tell ya ... Snivel...

73 posted on 10/27/2003 12:56:01 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Richard Poe
ping
74 posted on 10/27/2003 12:57:03 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
bump for later
75 posted on 10/27/2003 12:57:52 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: tpaine
Your ascerbic wit is sounding a lot more like a spoiled liberal child with every post. Remember common manners? Post when posted to? If I wanted your reply I would have directed my comment to you.

Odd choice of handles for your attitude - and your ego as well.
76 posted on 10/27/2003 12:59:15 PM PST by 11B3 (Use the Gitmo prisoners for bayonnet course target dummies.)
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To: Catspaw
Not necessarily.
77 posted on 10/27/2003 1:02:19 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: JohnGalt; Brian S; yonif
There's nothing un-libertarian about respecting property rights.

As to ..pronouncements on the joy of killing A-rabs or the Frenchor the French, the bombing of civilians or the folks on this site (Brian S and Yonif)... to the extent that one of FRs objectives is electing Republicans, I wouldn't entirely disagree with you, but I'm the wrong one to direct that complaint to. BTW, yonif posts about Israel a lot, but I don't remember him getting out of line over "killing Arabs", Brian S's posts don't ring a bell right now.

78 posted on 10/27/2003 1:02:23 PM PST by SJackson
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To: veronica
This is an article from a website, written by a well-known writer who is a Conservative, or at least writes for a leading Conservative website.

Yeah, and it is just an absolutely *amazing* coincidence that this blog entry, written last August and not even on the main page of his blog any more, was posted here the very morning that the LF thread where it was mentioned was resurrected.

LF: A Response to Richard Poe

Dear Mr. Poe,

In regarding your latest blog entry Attack of the Nazi Trolls: A Lesson For Message Board Moderators, you have left your readers with a false perception of what Liberty Forum is intended to be, and how it actually operates today.

In a private email which I granted you permission to post onto your website, I said:

Quote:
This forum is a libertarian forum, and is devoted to the libertarian concept of unabashed free speech. With that principle in mind, most posters aren't libertarian as many fringe types have taken advantage of this policy (which includes a no-banning policy) to run amok...hence the preponderance of anti-Jewish posts on this forum.


This quote leaves much to be desired. It also leaves the impression that all the non-libertarians on this board are "Nazi trolls". That most certainly isn't the case. Although Liberty Forum was set up with the intention of being a discussion forum for libertarians, the libertarian principle of free speech takes precedence. With this in mind yes, most of our posters aren't libertarian....but that doesn't automatically mean that they're "Nazi Trolls".

Our membership includes posters with political views that span the entire spectrum: from left-leaning libertarians, Paleo-Conservatives, Neo-Conservatives, Islamic Theocrats, Socialists, etc.

John Deere, the owner and Administrator of Liberty Forum, welcomes this and believes it's a good thing since he feels that in a free market situation such as this the best ideas win out....and John Deere is of the strong opinion that libertarian ideas are best placed to win in a free market and free exchange such as Liberty Forum.

To continue, you posited this in your blog:

Quote:
Inevitably, Nazi trolls find your forum and begin probing your defenses. If you allow them to post messages, they immediately spread the word to other Nazi trolls and soon your message board is infested.

At that point, all the normal people stop posting. It's a bit like when a fight breaks out in a bar and everyone stops talking and turns to watch the fight, transfixed. Suddenly, your message board becomes an arena for Nazi trolls and people arguing with Nazi trolls.

Where you make your error is where you state: "At that point, all the normal people stop posting."

As stated above, not all the non-libertarians are "Nazi Trolls". Secondly, your suggestion that they aren't "normal" is quite subjective. But the main point is that while a few did leave Liberty Forum, the vast majority of those committed to libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism decided to stay since they value the concept of free speech, a concept inherent in libertarianism.

Many of us might not like much of the speech we see here every day, but we're committed to the principles laid down by John Deere in his Charter, and have grown attached to what we've built here. There's much animosity here, but there's also quite a bit of loyalty to both John Deere and to Liberty Forum in general, more than any other board I've been part of. And this crosses ideological, religious, ethnic, and cultural lines.

One last note:

The impression left with you is that the trolls here are "Nazi" in flavour. Yes, we do have some of that stripe, but we've also experienced trolls of other stripes as well including the notorious Zionist trolls that infect discussion fora much like their Nazi bete noires.

Max Soldo aka "thoughtcriminal"

79 posted on 10/27/2003 1:02:54 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
JohnRob is rumored to have a personalized troll button awaiting in the wings. That offers one solution. Do you think it a worthy enough idea to pass along?
-Sulla-





Great idea. All those who lack the guts for debate could just tune it out.

- I wonder, do they realize that it is they themselves who would end up being ignored?
80 posted on 10/27/2003 1:04:06 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: tpaine
Good lord Jackson! Your thread "Attack of the Nazi Trolls: A Lesson for Message Board Moderators"; -- is being Attacked by FR's Nazi Trolls!

I don't see many of those here.

81 posted on 10/27/2003 1:04:55 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Dane
BTW, MA, do you still listen by your radio with baited breath every Thanksgiving, hoping that your local doper FM radio station plays "Alice's Restaurant" by Arlo Guthrie.

Uh, gee Dane, why should I care if they play it on the radio when I've got it on vinyl and can listen to it whenever I like. And I believe the word you were looking for was "bated". You may go fishing with your breath but I certainly don't.

82 posted on 10/27/2003 1:05:41 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
I'm not sure what it would solve.

In the early days, we never had a problem identifying the Stormfront/National Alliance folks and they were promptly banned. Though an interesting example of the problem here is that it was Stormfront who practically single-handedly kept the Bobby-Ann Williams/Bill Clinton love child story alive only because they had scanned in the photo from George Caprozi Jr's 1992 Clinton book. The picture was posted on FR and no one thought anything of it.

I even supported the eventual banning of Michael Rivero. Its fun to have a books and tapes guy on a web site but he really was selling too hard and FR was free advertising.

The real problem was the loss of some of the best skilled web researchers who could whip out a fully linked dissection of government speak within hours. That came with the arrival of an active number of pro-war posters who don't even claim to be that conservative or libertarian. They do so honestly and openly (see Chancellor Palpatine or Poohbah) so I have no issue with them, but they yelled loudly against dissent and brought little to the table in the way of research talents.

You see, the effort to demonize trolls, created a group think issue that effects the best right leaning news forum on the web. Group think is the enemy of 'original work;' original work being the stuff that came from bcspecht, Uncle Bill, Wallaby and all these people I never met but read religiously back in the early days.
83 posted on 10/27/2003 1:06:20 PM PST by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: Dales
But to say that we were pointing people over to LF is not accurate.

Nobody said a thing about "we".

I said Jim.

I've watched him do it.

So you think LF now has a problem. Since LF is trying to be run by a particular set of ideals, it should be interesting to see how it resolves this problem. I doubt that placing the blame for the problem externally is going to lead to a solution. Especially when you incorrectly place the blame.

LF (for whatever problems it may have) will always have the morally superior position to you and your ilk. It doesn't keep "profiles" on posters.. It doesn't ban.. it doesn't threaten... it doesn't censor... it doesn't hide the past.

That's for people like you.

I'd just as soon deal with things forthrightly.. warts and all.

84 posted on 10/27/2003 1:06:20 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I'd just as soon deal with things forthrightly.. warts and all.

I'd rather realize that the 1st Amendment, along with freedom of expression, also mandates freedom of association. And I really don't care to associate with the neonazi garbage that unfortunately has come to infest LF.

Every forum has to make a decision regarding moderation and exactly what is moderated and how far it goes. It's been more interesting to watch Neil and Goldi at LP try to wrestle with how to apply moderation than it has been to watch the experiment in uncontrolled freedom of expression at LF. We all know that there is garbage in this world, the question is, how do we deal with it?

85 posted on 10/27/2003 1:10:22 PM PST by dirtboy (Now in theaters - Howard Dean as Buzz Lightweight - taking the Dems to Oblivion and Beyond in 2004!)
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To: veronica
"don't use this thread to curse and slime Free Republic. "

Spreading propaganda about Jim and FR is the only reason some people come here.

... it's all our fault that those other sites suck you see.

86 posted on 10/27/2003 1:10:45 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: OWK
That first sentence didn't come out right. Try again:

I'd rather realize that the 1st Amendment, along with freedom of expression, also recognizes freedom of association.

87 posted on 10/27/2003 1:11:11 PM PST by dirtboy (Now in theaters - Howard Dean as Buzz Lightweight - taking the Dems to Oblivion and Beyond in 2004!)
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To: SJackson
I don't understand your point re: "There's nothing un-libertarian about respecting property rights" in relation to my post. Poe suggested that he is not sure whether he is still a libertarian; my point is that his line does not make any sense if he is at the present time considering himself a libertarian.

That was out of context-- I assume unintentional; I was referring to Brian S and Yonif posting specifically about natural disasters befalling the United States after the Bush Administration spoke out about a particular Israeli action.

I would be happy to name some other posters on this site who advocate "nuking Mecca" cheering when Rachel Corrie was killed--an American citizen no less, a leftie, yes, but cheering her death? We could go dig these threads up if you like but what is the point?
88 posted on 10/27/2003 1:11:49 PM PST by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: mrsmith
... it's all our fault that those other sites suck you see.

Riiiiiiiiight. ;)

89 posted on 10/27/2003 1:13:11 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: 11B3
Have you ever thought that maybe it was YOU that brings out the worst in otherwise normal people?
53 posted on 10/27/2003 12:40 PM PST by 11B3




To: 11B3
Can you show us the otherwise normal people here?
59 -tpaine-





11B3 wrote: Your ascerbic wit is sounding a lot more like a spoiled liberal child with every post. Remember common manners? Post when posted to? If I wanted your reply I would have directed my comment to you. Odd choice of handles for your attitude - and your ego as well.





Attitude? How weird that you accuse me..
90 posted on 10/27/2003 1:13:48 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: MadameAxe
Uh, gee Dane, why should I care if they play it on the radio when I've got it on vinyl and can listen to it whenever I like. And I believe the word you were looking for was "bated". You may go fishing with your breath but I certainly don't.

Still remember you being so excited about "Alice's Restaurant" being played on Thanksgiving day, it was a "tradition" on FM radio, dagnabit, on a Thanksgiving day thread on FR a few years ago.

91 posted on 10/27/2003 1:16:21 PM PST by Dane
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To: SJackson
I post over at LF. (This forum has become a little too bien pensant for me, so I rarely frequent it). Take it from me, that that guy Richard Poe is full of bs.
92 posted on 10/27/2003 1:18:00 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: SJackson
I don't see where he's saying that at all, simply commenting on the evolution of a "libertarian" forum, which, imo, is anarchist at best, a fascist pseudo hate site at worst. Personally I don't associate them with libertarianism at all.

The concept of libertarianism has been hijacked by anti-semites who use it as cover. I would not judge the entire philosophy by the cranks who have adopted it.

93 posted on 10/27/2003 1:18:00 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: tpaine; SJackson; All
SHALOM!

Tpaine,

Did you actually Believe that FR does Not have NAZI and ISLAMA-NAZI TROLLS???

Wake UP and Smell the Camel Dung!

Those of us who have been here on FR for Years, can Smell these Demonic IDIOTS the minute they show up and Spew their GARBAGE.

NOTE To: Nazi Trolls and Islama - Nazi Trolls on FR...

One Day Soon and Very Soon, You ALL will have to Stand Before The Throne Of The KING of The JEWS and GIVE an Account for Your Demonic Behaviors, thoughts, deeds and intentions.

94 posted on 10/27/2003 1:19:25 PM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: SJackson
Whatever. -- Altho I believe your condition can fairly be called willful blindness..
95 posted on 10/27/2003 1:19:31 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: OWK
Nobody said a thing about "we".
Quoting directly, "You guys dumped your trash in the well".
will always have the morally superior position to you and your ilk
You are free to hold this opinion. I think most people would tend to agree with Mr. Poe, however, on this matter.

By your "thanks a lot" post, it seems to me that you are admitting there is a problem. You don't seem to like how Free Republic has handled this problem. Why not convince LF to enact the 'morally superior' solution to the problem? Let's see the solution you find superior put into action, and then the world can judge.

96 posted on 10/27/2003 1:23:18 PM PST by Dales (ps- I always wanted to be part of an ilk. I feel complete now.)
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To: Dales
Zing!
97 posted on 10/27/2003 1:23:47 PM PST by Neets (<---Posting as Cheesecake, raspberry, chocolate, white chocolate, peanutbutter, plain ole NY Style)
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To: veronica
Well, in a way it's true!

We have all the knowledgeable, thoughtful conservative posters- heck why would anyone like that ever leave?

They are left with only fervent hard core idealogues- of various stripes- who only share a hatred for FR.

I feel sorry for Liberty Post ( who I check on every month or so), they struggle to be a libertarian site, but they haven't met the philosophical challenge of people who post garbage.
Liberty Forum never had a chance from the beginning. Too much egotistical crap in that "marketplace".

And then there are blogs now too.

98 posted on 10/27/2003 1:25:26 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: MadameAxe
You may go fishing with your breath but I certainly don't.

In the case of Dane, I've heard it's loosely akin to fishing with hand grenades.

99 posted on 10/27/2003 1:26:12 PM PST by dirtboy (Now in theaters - Howard Dean as Buzz Lightweight - taking the Dems to Oblivion and Beyond in 2004!)
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To: JohnGalt
...the best skilled web researchers...

Translation - the most prolific web cranks felt like they couldn't spew their self abusive bilge to like minded cranks for a bunch of "attaboys" anymore - they would actually be forced to justify their half-assed musings.

100 posted on 10/27/2003 1:26:50 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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