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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: Silas
Dude, even I know to smile when giving a Mod the finger.
1,301 posted on 10/28/2003 1:44:09 PM PST by discostu (The Joan Wilder?!)
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To: Silas
I'm sorry, you are so much more intelligent than me -- stupid me is trying to figure out where the fire is in location to family's home when I REALLY should be discussing terrorist conspiracy theories.

I'm so stupid! *slaps forehead*
1,302 posted on 10/28/2003 1:44:40 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: Brad's Gramma
I put a link to the thread, but the moderator tells me not to do that. You're wrong that people want to discuss the larger issue.

When Denver and Australia burned, you did not care, only now that LA burns you care.
1,303 posted on 10/28/2003 1:44:44 PM PST by Silas
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To: Admin Moderator
MAKE IT STOP!
1,304 posted on 10/28/2003 1:45:32 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: Silas
I put a link to the thread, but the moderator tells me not to do that.

You don't listen. AM told you not to put the link in MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!!!

1,305 posted on 10/28/2003 1:46:25 PM PST by mhking
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To: wolficatZ
Also SureStream @20.4 kbps. No sound, though.
1,306 posted on 10/28/2003 1:46:41 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: mhking
10, 9, 8, 7, 6.........
1,307 posted on 10/28/2003 1:47:15 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: petuniasevan; Silas
These arsonists might be freelancers, copycats, or ELF useful idiots, but they are sure to be HOMEGROWN terrorists.

Why are you so sure? I agree that the possibilties are many (ELF, copycats, regular old pryos, etc.), but discounting Islamic terrorists is a bit naive. Remember the D.C. sniper case? Most everyone was so damn sure that it was a couple of homegrown white guys in a white van, and it turned out to be a couple of black Muslims in a blue Caprice.

Let's just wait and see.

1,308 posted on 10/28/2003 1:47:19 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: mhking
Right. And so no more links to that thread. So I will instead discuss the bigger picture right here.
1,309 posted on 10/28/2003 1:48:13 PM PST by Silas
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To: Silas
and we can all ignore you too... :)
1,310 posted on 10/28/2003 1:49:00 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: Silas
Did you say you were done with us sheeple when nobody wanted to believe you or the butler about Princess Di?

So are you done with us sheeple now when people are more concerned with putting out the fire than how it started?

Somehow I doubt we'll be that lucky.
1,311 posted on 10/28/2003 1:49:10 PM PST by discostu (The Joan Wilder?!)
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To: Silas
Are you saying that people who are trying to get information about the fire shouldn't?

They should talk "bigger picture" only?

GO AWAY.
1,312 posted on 10/28/2003 1:49:12 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: Conservative4Ever
Indeed. Just like you ignored me a year ago when I tried to warn you this exact event would happen without a plan to prevent it.
1,313 posted on 10/28/2003 1:49:45 PM PST by Silas
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To: OldFriend
My hope is that the people of Cali will see DiFi for what she is as they did with Gov Doofus.

I heard on Michael Savage last night that one week after the triple license plate tax went into affect, San Diego reported a 30% drop in car sales with another 30% drop the next week. Savage had calculated that the state had already lost more money then they wanted to collect in just those couple of weeks. (Not sure on how he reached the numbers, though.) And that was JUST San Diego...

Yes, prayers to all battling this firey nightmare!!!!!

1,314 posted on 10/28/2003 1:49:46 PM PST by BossLady (Being Democrat is a vegetative state.....)
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To: petuniasevan
Next Up: Bark Beetles--Native Insect, or Iraqi Biological Warfare Agents?
1,315 posted on 10/28/2003 1:50:01 PM PST by Heyworth
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To: Silas
Right. And so no more links to that thread. So I will instead discuss the bigger picture right here.

Uh. Yeah. Right.

Sorry. I'm not in a tin foil mood right now.

1,316 posted on 10/28/2003 1:50:03 PM PST by mhking
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To: CedarDave
Chopper2 cam reporting several spotted flareups..he has only 5-10 mins left to stay over location

1,317 posted on 10/28/2003 1:50:22 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: sf4dubya
Wow. Thanks for the map. I've been on the Rim of the World road and at one point you can look over the side and it is nearly straight down for 6,000 feet. Is that now a 6,000 foot wall of flame?
1,318 posted on 10/28/2003 1:50:36 PM PST by BJungNan
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Stevenson's Ranch resident on KTTV= we had a margarita party here last night, celebrating the fact that the fire wasn't gonna come get us

cut to reporter in Big Bear= a lot of people are ignoring the mandatory evacuation order
1,319 posted on 10/28/2003 1:50:52 PM PST by lainie
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To: BJungNan
The fire is running up to hwy 18 and they are using the hwy itself as a firebreak & setting backfires there. So far, it's been successful except when the fire got so fierce it jumped over and went to Rimforest.
1,321 posted on 10/28/2003 1:52:00 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: mhking
I guess he'll be discussing it amongst himself. No one else here is interested, that's clear...
1,322 posted on 10/28/2003 1:52:03 PM PST by lainie
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To: Silas
Tell me you DONT keep a log book of times that you were ignored that reaches back a year. Please tell me.

Look, you are not contributing anything productive to THIS thread, so why not just stop?

1,323 posted on 10/28/2003 1:52:19 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: lainie
I guess he'll be discussing it amongst himself.

Y'think he'll answer himself?

1,324 posted on 10/28/2003 1:52:30 PM PST by mhking
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To: BossLady; OldFriend
Can you believe the short-sightedness of Feinswine? She's talking about a manageable, renewable resource.

1,325 posted on 10/28/2003 1:53:47 PM PST by lainie
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To: mhking
yes. I do. :)
1,326 posted on 10/28/2003 1:54:41 PM PST by lainie
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To: GOPrincess
There was a photo of Chuck Henry I think in Sunday's thread, fire darn near right next to him and at his feet...he's showboating Geraldo style, and not using good sense.

He better be careful. All the plastic surgery is going to melt. I swear, this guy's looks (and everyone else in the LA television news market) has not changed in 20 years.

1,327 posted on 10/28/2003 1:54:41 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: CedarDave
The 256kbps choppercam feed over Stevenson Ranch is superclear..I'm recording it too with net transport, not sure how it will turn out.

Bear Lake scanner is
http://xgen.caliberstreams.com/mcasx.asx?media=4005&package=2207

the Simi shoutcast scanner is streaming but no sound, must have scanner off. Live365 San Bernadino is full..
1,328 posted on 10/28/2003 1:55:08 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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Here's my bookmark for later. I have to leave until about 3:30. Keep us posted everyone!
1,329 posted on 10/28/2003 1:55:20 PM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
She sounds like Baghdad Bob.

"There is no fire in Southern California. The logging companies are infidels!"
1,331 posted on 10/28/2003 1:55:31 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: Silas
Silas, I am in Texas with love ones in these areas. This is a diff. situtation esp. with little or no media coverage.
The people on this thread cannot handle what all you are saying right now. . .they are in shock. If you are concerned, then pray about it, but now is not the time, they have enough on their hands to deal with today.
1,332 posted on 10/28/2003 1:55:51 PM PST by mstar (Morgenstern)
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To: wolficatZ
I just turned my live365 off, bbl
1,334 posted on 10/28/2003 1:56:30 PM PST by lainie
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News conference coming up on the two arson suspects. They have a drawing of one of them....no arrest, no name yet. $50,000 reward being offered.
1,335 posted on 10/28/2003 1:56:32 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: BJungNan
the one that kills me is Ann ...Miller I think...on 2. have been listening to her over the last hour or two...she is such a dim bulb.
1,336 posted on 10/28/2003 1:56:55 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: mstar
When is the time?
1,337 posted on 10/28/2003 1:57:06 PM PST by Silas
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To: Heyworth
You've got it! Bad conditions (wind, drought), made worse by envirowhacko policies, plus the usual firebugs (and just maybe more organized than back years ago) make for an extreme fire situation.

Most of the non-California residents on the thread cannot possibly FATHOM what a Cali wildfire can do, given essentially unlimited dry fuel.

Do they know that some of the homes that burned actually caught fire from the heat of the firestorms, NOT the flames themselves?
1,338 posted on 10/28/2003 1:58:19 PM PST by petuniasevan (This is my tagline. MINE! You can't HAVE it!)
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To: lainie
Hi, lainie. Just found your post and question. The smoke from the mountains is hanging ominously south of us but not blowing this way yet. Devore seems to have come to life and the smoke is also coming this way slowly.

The local radio station that is fire-watching constantly just said (per the Fire Dept.) "worst case scenario, the fire could reach us in 24 to 36 hours so, if you feel more comfortable, pack your car". So I have put what I would take with me at the door, ready to go. Traffic coming off the mountains is nearly gridlocked on the only road....which is two lanes. Reports of drivers acting crazy, passing into oncoming traffic.........unbelievable.

1,339 posted on 10/28/2003 1:59:08 PM PST by okimhere
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To: lainie
Probably too dumb or too busy staring at the big picture to figure out to start his own thread...

Not to mention trying type coherently while cackling and saying "I told them, I told them!" over and over again in his bedroom, aka, the basement of his mother's home.
1,340 posted on 10/28/2003 1:59:19 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: BossLady
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/031027fire_blog.html

October 28, 2003

Send wildfire updates to sosdnews@uniontrib.com

Evacuation updates

1:54 p.m.

The Sheriff's Department is ordering evacuation for Guatay and Pine Valley as the Cedar Fire advances on Julian. Evacuations had previously been ordered for Pine Hills, Julian and Wynola.

Evacuees are advised to take Farmer Road north to Wynola Road, then go east on Wynola Road to State Route 78 and to continue eastward to Borrego Springs.

Residents of Palomar Mountain are being asked to prepare to evacuate.

"We apologize for the confusion over Palomar, as the situation is fluid and we had conflicting information," the Sheriff's Department notes in a release.

Road closure update

1:28 p.m.

State Route 67 is being reopened between Slaughterhouse Canyon Road and Willow Road, according to the California Highway Patrol. SR67 remains closed from Slaughterhouse Canyon north to Mount Woodson Road Parts of Sunrise Highway have been closed.

People evacuating from the Julian area are being directed to take State Route 78 east to Borrego Springs.

1,341 posted on 10/28/2003 1:59:46 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Silas
"When is the time?"

When it's over.

Have you ever heard the phrase "You can get more flies with honey?" Arguing with folks who clearly don't want to hear your POV is counterproductive to what you want to accomplish. If you have serious concerns I suggest you address them politely in another forum when this life- and property-threatening emergency is over. Just MHO.
1,342 posted on 10/28/2003 2:00:11 PM PST by GOPrincess
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To: Silas
Anytime you set up your own f'ing vanity thread to talk about it, Clymer.

GET LOST ALREADY!
1,343 posted on 10/28/2003 2:00:38 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: sf4dubya
Sand box is getting kinda cwroded aint it
1,344 posted on 10/28/2003 2:01:20 PM PST by al baby (Ice cream does not have bones)
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To: GOPrincess
I hear you. Nobody wants to discuss the big picture before, during or after. It is preferred to just let the government/media tell us that it was some nutty hiker and then the counselors will hug us.

Okay, if that is what the group wishes, I will respect that.

1,345 posted on 10/28/2003 2:02:28 PM PST by Silas
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To: Silas
Okay, if that is what the group wishes, I will respect that.

Good.

1,346 posted on 10/28/2003 2:03:31 PM PST by mhking
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To: L,TOWM
Ignore him. Don't allow him to hijack the thread and make it all about him. We need info here, not flame wars.
1,347 posted on 10/28/2003 2:03:40 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Silas
Thanks.

If there is reason to think there aren't nutty hikers involved, I think people will be more than interested to discuss it in a friendly fashion...later. Right now we're worried about friends, family and locations that are special to us.
1,348 posted on 10/28/2003 2:04:20 PM PST by GOPrincess
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To: al baby
Gray Davis speaking now he sounds very govermental
1,349 posted on 10/28/2003 2:04:20 PM PST by al baby (Ice cream does not have bones)
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To: sandyeggo
Thank you for that map.

Dear God, I've got about 20 relatives in the Cedar Fire area.

I've already got a cousin, an aunt, and an uncle that are'nt sure if they have homes anymore.
1,350 posted on 10/28/2003 2:04:31 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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