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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: sf4dubya
Well I hope they get what they deserve. If anyone blames Bush for this I'm going to go ballistic!!!!
1,601 posted on 10/28/2003 3:35:10 PM PST by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ladyesk
Oh Poway, that is a BEAUTIFUL area!!! I am so glad you're safe and that your home was spared!
1,602 posted on 10/28/2003 3:36:13 PM PST by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: onyx
The fire is almost at pine valley and the Julian area in mandatory evc. The fires are about a 10 mile wall just south west of Pine Valley and heading north east. Looks like Cleveland is being hit hard.
Just in on fox new fire crews are looking for routs out of the area fire chief told new crew he does not think he can hold the fire off.
Fire crew area staging in Julian is going to be a hold point to save the town.
North peck in on fire just north or the Cuyamaca state park
Harrison Park is burning at this point
1,603 posted on 10/28/2003 3:36:54 PM PST by wildbirdhunter
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To: BJungNan
It was published by law enforcement authorities this morning. Local San Bernardino law enforcement officials held a press conference about 1:30pm today to update the media and ask for the public's help in identifying the person in the sketch. The source for the sketch is said by law enforcement to be an eyewitness who saw two men in a gray van on Saturday throwing matches or something out the van window into the brush. That's all we in the public have been told.
1,604 posted on 10/28/2003 3:37:44 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: ladyesk
Donate to the Salvation Army. We're in Michigan, my dad was a volunteer firefighter. The Salvation Army was very helpful to firefighters and those who suffered from fires; the Red Cross was useless.
1,605 posted on 10/28/2003 3:38:25 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: ladyesk
Like you, I am sickened. A spokesman has told Rick Roberts that the 16 mile Alpine fire is completely out of control and that they have no means to stop its march to Julian.

Unbelievable.



1,606 posted on 10/28/2003 3:38:55 PM PST by onyx
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To: BJungNan
Yes, I understand that. But when you watch what is happening, its the Red Cross volunteers here that are working very diligently on the lines here and in the burned neigborhoods. Of course they are not the higher-ups in the organization.

I did hear that Father Joe of St. Vincent de Paul Village here is accepting donations and they are getting the supplies here locally and bringing them to the Red Cross volunteers.
Father Joe is a great fixture here in San Diego and I feel I can trust him and the great work he does.
1,607 posted on 10/28/2003 3:38:56 PM PST by ladyesk
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To: wildbirdhunter
LA firefighters in Lake Arrowhead have no local radios....

1,608 posted on 10/28/2003 3:39:31 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: webvanca
Just picked this up off of the Channel 11 website:

Evacuations now mandatory in Big Bear area

(Big Bear) -- Evacuation is now mandatory in: Big Bear Valley, Barton Flats, Seven Oaks, Angeles Oaks, Forest Falls and Mountain Home Village. The evacuation order applies to 35-thousand residents of the San Bernardino mountains.

The sheriff's department is asking residents to leave area via hwy 18 thru Lucerne to evacuation centers in high desert at Hesperia HS and Apple Valley HS. Animals are to be taken to Victor Valley Fairgrounds.



Seems they want them to go down the back side of the Mountains instead of come down into Redlands/Yucaipa area on HWY 38.




1,609 posted on 10/28/2003 3:39:34 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: wildbirdhunter
Your info mirrors mine --- I'm just sick. I am stunned numb.
1,610 posted on 10/28/2003 3:40:03 PM PST by onyx
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To: wildbirdhunter
Downtown Julian is a sea of smoke --- can't see a damn thing.
1,611 posted on 10/28/2003 3:40:56 PM PST by onyx
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To: BurbankKarl
"LA firefighters in Lake Arrowhead have no local radios.... "

That's disgraceful; any explanation given?
1,612 posted on 10/28/2003 3:40:57 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: onyx
Julian is an absolute treasure of the state. Fall time in Julian is just so amazing. One of my co-workers does an annual pilgrimage there, and has for over a decade.
1,613 posted on 10/28/2003 3:41:27 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: spectr17
Some CBS webcam caps from earlier today:

School campus; seems to be saved





House close to being consumed.




The CBS Webcam has been providing almost continuous coverage, with occasional glitches.

Channel 4 news van is going, going...



1,614 posted on 10/28/2003 3:41:40 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: diamond6
I agree the Salvation Army is the best choice.
1,615 posted on 10/28/2003 3:42:07 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: Wolfstar
LOVE your tagline! That was my favorite line from Bush's inauguration speech. Brings tears to my eyes.

"An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."

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1,616 posted on 10/28/2003 3:42:31 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: So Cal Rocket
The sketch shows a man with straight hair, wide cheekbones, and a flater bridge of the nose that starts lower down between the eyes rather than at eyebrow level. Those characterstics typically are Asian in origin, and also in peoples who descend from Asian populations, like Native Americans. The eyes are also very different. The man in the photos has heavy upper eyelids and deep-set eyes, while the man in the sketch does not.
1,617 posted on 10/28/2003 3:43:09 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: webvanca
Just got back on MSNBC -- reporter interviewing firefighter who said they had slopover but lost just one structure. Don't know what area they were talking about, but doesn't seem like it would be Lake Arrowhead they are talking about because KCBS pictures showed a different story. Any clarification from anyone?
1,618 posted on 10/28/2003 3:43:10 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: PhiKapMom
This news yahoo on KUSI is using his Thomas Bros. Map and pointing with a pen where his reporter is located, and where the fire is. Hey KUSI, you might want to invest in a graphics department for situations like this. Sheeeesh.

Well, at least they're live with local info. The reporter was just saying that some sheriffs came by the overlook where they were and said the fire was about 1 hour away from them, no worries. Then some fire chief came flying in and around the overlook, and told them that they (the ff) were looking for an evacfuation route, since the fire was getting out of control and they were looking for another way out, said that it was about 1/2 hr away. He seemed not to know who to believe?? What a nut, you're going to believe the sheriffs over the fire chief??
1,620 posted on 10/28/2003 3:44:31 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-democrat!!)
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To: FourPeas
Amen to donating to Salvation Army (rather than Red X) -- the SA is not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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1,621 posted on 10/28/2003 3:44:31 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: diamond6
I believe I'll do that. Altho our local Salvation Army ran afoul of the law when the head man kept donated vehicles and sold them for his own profit. I know there's always a bad apple in every bunch.

Private citizens have been going to the evacuation centers, taking and preparing food for the mountain evacuees there. The Health Dept was headed here this morning......never have heard for what but everyone hoped it wasn't to shut down the operations. Maria Shriver was in San Bernardino yesterday bringing new clothes for the evacuees there. Many people are following her example.

1,622 posted on 10/28/2003 3:45:10 PM PST by okimhere
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To: mystery-ak
No, actually they are not the same eyes. Look at the heavy upper eyelids on the man in the photos and how deep-set his eyes are. Then look at the differences in the sketch. I think we all need to be very cautious about jumping to conclusions on very scant evidence. Remember the lessons of the beltway snipers, when everyone was looking for a white man.
1,623 posted on 10/28/2003 3:45:14 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: webvanca
I have been searching and searching on the msnbc page and I can't find a link to the feed. Help, please!
1,624 posted on 10/28/2003 3:45:17 PM PST by Floratina
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To: ladyesk
Yes, I understand that. But when you watch what is happening, its the Red Cross volunteers here that are working very diligently on the lines here and in the burned neigborhoods. Of course they are not the higher-ups in the organization.

Hey, even the guys that ring you up and ask you to donate to the Police Association have to send you a sticker for your car. They have to make some sort of a showing.

But mark my words, when this is over and it is time for people to get assistance from the Red Cross, there will again be a Red Cross scandal. After as many times as they have been caught, they are not going to magically change.

1,625 posted on 10/28/2003 3:45:29 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Re: Julian

Yeah, the story you sent was based on the Sheriff's office announcement which was attributed to the Forest Service. Only problem was, nobody at Forest Service knew who had given the order. So, then it was returned to voluntary, then became mandatory again this afternoon.

The only small ray of sunshine is that once this thing gets east of Julian it'll run into the old burn from the Vulcan fire last year. That runs north / south for about 15 miles just up the road a bit. Should help things a bit, as should having the Otay fire contained.

Coming home this afternoon, I was passed by a task force coming into town from Santa Cruz and Watsonville, some 350 miles or so north. As they crossed the intersection, everybody gave 'em a horn serenade and thumbs up.

1,626 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: onyx
I know that area having hunted the Julian area a good amount and that area is just a big can of fire fuel of dry pine and brush.
1,627 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by wildbirdhunter
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To: CedarDave
hey, financing question here...how does this affect all the people that refied there homes to the hilt??
1,628 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: TomGuy
 
 
Lake Arrowhead 1 min ago

1,629 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: dogbyte12
I am stunned numb. I am at a total loss for words so I think I'll just read along with ya-all.
1,630 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by onyx
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To: sf4dubya
Well, we've been saying for the last couple days that Chuck Henry is grandstanding and showing poor judgment, I sure hope he learns from his truck burning up and stays safe.
1,631 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by GOPrincess
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To: sandyeggo
http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp
1,632 posted on 10/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: TomGuy
Oops. Somebody is so fired!
1,633 posted on 10/28/2003 3:47:13 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (One of Those Dreaded Federal Employees)
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To: CedarDave
stupid Howard Stern fan just pranked KNBC. What an a-hole.
1,634 posted on 10/28/2003 3:47:41 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
I am stunned numb. I am at a total loss for words so I think I'll just read along with ya-all.

Julian's land mark Framer's Market (the apple pie place) belongs to close family friends and both the business and their three homes will likely be destroyed.
1,635 posted on 10/28/2003 3:47:55 PM PST by onyx
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To: wolficatZ
Is bluejay burning?
1,636 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:07 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: wolficatZ
KNBC just got hit by a Howard Stern caller!!
1,637 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:27 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: dogbyte12
Julian is an absolute treasure....

Yes. Last time I saw my best friend alive, we visited Julian -- I have the fondest memories of that place. It is truly lovely and, as you said, a real treasure. I could just cry.

Holy Spirit, please pray for California with groanings too deep for words.

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1,638 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:38 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: okimhere
That's a good idea. Can't possibly hurt to get some items together. I hope it doesn't come to that, and I really don't think it will. Thanks for checking in.
1,639 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:44 PM PST by lainie
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To: Bush_Democrat
Swear some of these media types have mush for brains. Fire Chief says go and you leave the area immediately!
1,640 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:45 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: sandyeggo
http://msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp

1,641 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:51 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: BurbankKarl
hey, financing question here...how does this affect all the people that refied there homes to the hilt??

A lot of people also don't update their insurance for many years and then end up badly underinsured when disaster strikes. Everybody, update your insurance every few years at the least.

1,642 posted on 10/28/2003 3:48:55 PM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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I am getting nothing on the CBSNEWS live cam except for their logo.
1,643 posted on 10/28/2003 3:49:13 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: wolficatZ
Which feed was that picture from??
1,645 posted on 10/28/2003 3:49:31 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: Wolfstar
you are right of course....the shape of the eyebrows is what struck me though.
1,646 posted on 10/28/2003 3:49:37 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike's coming home Nov 3rd for his two-week furlough.....HOOAH!!)
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To: al baby
Gray Davis speaking now

The state will pick up the tab. With whose nickels??

1,647 posted on 10/28/2003 3:50:19 PM PST by lainie
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To: onyx
Julian's land mark Framer's Market (the apple pie place) belongs to close family friends and both the business and their three homes will likely be destroyed.

Oh, no. That was one of our favorite places to ride our motorcycles to when I lived in San Diego. I hope the fire doesn't make it all the way there.

1,648 posted on 10/28/2003 3:50:20 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (One of Those Dreaded Federal Employees)
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To: GOPrincess
Chuck now knows the difference between a fun story or movie and REALITY...could assist in turning him into a more real human..instead of plastic.
1,649 posted on 10/28/2003 3:50:30 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: PhiKapMom
In this case, it's an east coast bias. Remember the near hysteria over the hurricane that was headed for the east coast a few weeks ago? Compare that saturation coverage to coverage of these fires. Except for CNN, which is in Atlanta, cable and broadcast news operations are located in the eastern power corridor. To them, anything west of the Potomac barely exists.
1,650 posted on 10/28/2003 3:50:36 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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