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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: wolficatZ
Whoopi's on NBC. The season premiere of 24 is on Fox.
2,101 posted on 10/28/2003 6:19:27 PM PST by mhking
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very smokey today in Claremont and Redlands. Everyone at work is getting the cigar smoker cough and red eyes from all the smoke from Lake Arrowhead. The smoke plume off the fire is unbelievable. Reminds me of Mt. St. Helens erutption with it blocking out the sun and all the falling ash
2,102 posted on 10/28/2003 6:19:39 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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oh my, just heard family's church has burned down.
2,103 posted on 10/28/2003 6:19:51 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: Timesink
Scroll down to first link under CBS 2 Video titled News Van Trapped Near Skyforest, Overtaken By Roaring Flames
2,105 posted on 10/28/2003 6:20:13 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: nicmarlo
0802 6:16PM Structure or Grass Fire BLUE LILAC AT ARNOLD El Cajon
2,106 posted on 10/28/2003 6:20:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Wolfstar
"So the witch doesn't want loggers to make money. So it's better to have whole swaths of forrest devastated by a beetle and left standing dead and dry just waiting for a lightening strike or some terrorist (domestic or foreign variety) to cause havoc."

You can't repeat this enough! We have got to educate everyone we know!

2,107 posted on 10/28/2003 6:20:39 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: OldFriend
The irony is that the bro in law has been complaining about the high cost of cutting down those trees and the fierce-ness of the authorities that it be done! Lots of folks up there are retired seniors and it's been a heavy expense but the trees MUST be cut down.....no excuses!!!

There's more to the story, as Paul Harvey says:

The enviros have passed enough rules that you cannot cut down any trees on your property unless you hire a certified arborist, which can cost a minimum of $5000, and then the Forest Service and usually someone from the county has to give your actions their blessing. Before you even fire up your own chain saw, it can cost you alot of money, and even if you are willing to go thru all of this, there is absolutely NO GUARANTEE that you will get permission in the end. It can be just a rabbit hole that swallows money.
One of the latest hurdles you have to jump is that you cannot tamper with someone's "VIEW SHED". That is ANY tree, shrub, boulder, etc, that ANYONE can see from wherever they live. So, in effect, the guy who holds the property at the top of the hill/mountain/ridge controls everything he can see for as far as he can see. If you want to do something, you have to satisfy him.
If my dad were still alive, he would say" The inmates are in charge of the asylym". He would be right.
2,108 posted on 10/28/2003 6:20:49 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: TomGuy; All
Any arsonist starting a fire is threatening your life and family.

Shoot on sight.

2,109 posted on 10/28/2003 6:21:19 PM PST by Free Trapper
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To: nicmarlo
- CHP ALLOWING RESIDENTS THAT LIVE N/OF POE PKWY TO ACCESS RESIDENCE// RESIDENTS THAT LIVE S/OF POE PKWY CANNOT ACCESS YET--AT STEVENSON RANCH FIRE

A good reason to carry a copy of your Property Tax bill in your glove compartment as "proof of residence", if the home you're trying to access is a vacation home (or if you've moved recently and don't have a drivers license with the address).

We started doing that, since we had two homes at the time, after the Northridge quake....didn't want to get 'outed' by the residents-only thing.

2,111 posted on 10/28/2003 6:21:58 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Credito Facil !)
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To: sf4dubya
I'm sorry to hear that, dubya.....very sorry.
2,112 posted on 10/28/2003 6:22:24 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: CedarDave
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010080/posts

New Mexico fire thread.
2,113 posted on 10/28/2003 6:22:25 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: Timesink
Whether he gets in trouble will depend on whether his superiors wanted him to be out there that close to the fire

The truck's insured, and he got national coverage plus a picture of the station's logo on every other station in town. They'll probably give him a flippin' trophy.

2,114 posted on 10/28/2003 6:22:43 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: mhking
ooops your right thnks for the correction; I have 2 scanners, msnbc feed and tv all going at once lol
2,115 posted on 10/28/2003 6:22:47 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: mhking
ooops your right thnks for the correction; I have 2 scanners, msnbc feed and tv all going at once lol
2,116 posted on 10/28/2003 6:22:47 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: dogbyte12
An Alfred Hitchcock short story dealt with an arsonist - young guy who set "thrill" fires. You know the type. Set fire, retreat, watch fire department respond.

Well, the happy firebug graduated from burning barns to torching homes. Second one he got was occupied; they didn't get out.

He was caught and put in jail, and high bail was set. To the judge's surprise, the townspeople showed up en masse to pay the bail up front. So they released the arsonist.

Another fire soon started, this time in an oak-studded field. Fire department responded to find a gruesome scene.

There was a charred body chained to a scorched oak tree.
2,117 posted on 10/28/2003 6:23:07 PM PST by petuniasevan (This is my tagline. MINE! You can't HAVE it!)
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To: hole_n_one
Thanks for the video link, I'd like to have that video gear they lost
2,118 posted on 10/28/2003 6:23:37 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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To: ErnBatavia
(Unfortunately), that's a good idea.
2,119 posted on 10/28/2003 6:24:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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Mr. C4E is reading a report to me as I type...Huge Geomagnetic storm is on a direct path to earth. Should hit sometime tomorrow..Wednesday. Great...now we have satellite knockouts. Northern lights may be seen as far south as Texas and Florida...let me take stock...fire, check...pestilance, check,...famine, check..eating day old fries,....frogs...not yet but looking skyward.
2,120 posted on 10/28/2003 6:25:26 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: meyer
I never realized how many Freepers are in the LA and SD areas until now. I've been reading the threads for 4 days now, and I'm becoming rather familiar with the area.

What's weird is that - until just before dusk this afternoon - we here in the Palm Springs area were probably the only southern Kalifornians to have no visible sign whatever of this fire storm.

Just now has the pressure shifted enough to allow the smoke from the fires to drift eastward. I look south and see the pall from the San Diego fires, and up north over the Coachella Valley and see the smoke from the Arrowhead fires.

2,121 posted on 10/28/2003 6:25:42 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Credito Facil !)
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To: Conservative4Ever
The people telling the reporter were chuckling as they came by wondering what the guy was going to do now.
2,122 posted on 10/28/2003 6:25:50 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: sandyeggo
Oh Dear God! Please help us. Send rain. Calm the winds. Send reinforcements. Foil and frustrate our enemies. If You are willing, Father. In Jesus' name. Amen.

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2,123 posted on 10/28/2003 6:25:50 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 1328 Type: Report of Fire
Location: WB I10 JEO CABAZON
Map Page: 723 3J
Info as of: 10/28/2003 6:26:07 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
6:24PM - 1039 CDF
6:24PM - FIRE IN THE CD
2,124 posted on 10/28/2003 6:26:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: First_Salute
Is the town of Running Springs in the path of the fire?
2,125 posted on 10/28/2003 6:26:48 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: PhiKapMom
it would be ironic if the tree they wanted to save is lost in the fire

Now THAT would be poetic justice. (No offense to the tree)

2,126 posted on 10/28/2003 6:27:03 PM PST by lainie
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To: winker
As of your post, we're still waiting for people in that area to confirm. Keep reading.

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2,127 posted on 10/28/2003 6:27:41 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: BossLady
Savage had calculated that the state had already lost more money then they wanted to collect in just those couple of weeks. (Not sure on how he reached the numbers, though.) And that was JUST San Diego...


He most likely did a phone survey of car dealers, used their figures, and compared the extra 2/3 rds of the license fees against the sales taxes on a new car, most of which are over $20,000. The additional loss of income for the salesmen means fewer purchases with sales tax in the state, also.
2,128 posted on 10/28/2003 6:27:44 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: The Westerner
Yes, unfortunately.
2,129 posted on 10/28/2003 6:27:46 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: sandyeggo
All these fires just starting are making me wonder big time what is going on right now.
2,130 posted on 10/28/2003 6:27:47 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0330 Type: Traffic Hazard
Location: SR99E AT HOGSBACK RD Red Bluff
Map Page: 163 4G
Info as of: 10/28/2003 6:27:51 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
6:25PM - SUB IN THE ROAD
6:23PM - MALE IN WHEELCHAIR CHASING HIS DOG
2,131 posted on 10/28/2003 6:28:30 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: The Westerner
Is the town of Running Springs in the path of the fire?

It's next in line to burn

2,132 posted on 10/28/2003 6:28:51 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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To: Conservative4Ever
Can you believe every thing that is going?
I am going to call the kids and tell them to hop a plane and get up here in the wet northwest, until the fires are put out.
2,133 posted on 10/28/2003 6:29:16 PM PST by calawah98
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To: The Westerner
http://www.rimoftheworld.net/

There's a bunch of info on this site, too.
2,134 posted on 10/28/2003 6:29:34 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: Conservative4Ever
Solar flare earlier was one of the largest ever! Yikes!

Interesting that we are having solar flares and all the fires at the same time....

2,135 posted on 10/28/2003 6:29:44 PM PST by BossLady (I Brake 4 - Then Run Over - Arsonists......)
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To: nicmarlo
sounds like the perp is moving east. Cabazon is east of us about 15 miles.
2,136 posted on 10/28/2003 6:29:49 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0936 Type: Vehicle Fire
Location: NB I215 JSO DEVORE RD (San Berdu area)
Zoom Map: 515 6D
Info as of: 10/28/2003 6:29:09 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
5:37PM - 1039 SB COMM - GIVEN TO FD CP - WILL BE RESP
5:35PM - SMALL BRUSH FIRE STARTING - ADVISE FIRE DEPT PLS - ASCESS FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD - 100 YDS FROM THERE
2,137 posted on 10/28/2003 6:29:55 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: hole_n_one
I know it's not funny but I found the whole Chuck Henry affair laughable. Did Chuck pull a Geraldo or is Geraldo pulling a Chuck? I wish I could draw, it would make a great cartoon. Those two idiots up there in the fire trying to outmachismo each other.
2,138 posted on 10/28/2003 6:30:21 PM PST by lainie
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To: ridesthemiles
Good Point!
2,139 posted on 10/28/2003 6:30:28 PM PST by BossLady (I Brake 4 - Then Run Over - Arsonists......)
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FF reporting Heaps PEak Commo site btween Rimforest and Running Springs NOT theatened right now, could be tonight,

Fire running up to Jobs PEak right now
2,140 posted on 10/28/2003 6:30:33 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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To: winker
see 2073 --- it's in the newspapers
2,141 posted on 10/28/2003 6:30:42 PM PST by FITZ
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2,142 posted on 10/28/2003 6:30:46 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: PhiKapMom
you have freepmail

Prairie
2,143 posted on 10/28/2003 6:31:58 PM PST by prairiebreeze (We will not deny, ignore or pass our problems along to other Presidents. ---GWBush)
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To: PhiKapMom
And not just starting ---- arsonists suspected in all?
2,144 posted on 10/28/2003 6:31:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Conservative4Ever
Huge Geomagnetic storm is on a direct path to earth. Should hit sometime tomorrow..Wednesday. Great...now we have satellite knockouts. Northern lights may be seen as far south as Texas and Florida...

Isn't there something in the Bible about signs in the heavens in the end times?

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2,145 posted on 10/28/2003 6:32:52 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: witnesstothefall
The form letter they are pushing is very revealing.

yes it is - use it against them

Use their form to send letters to get things changed - change the wording of their letter to oppose their goals and agenda.

It serves a couple of purposes - it gets the other side heard - and it pi$$es them off.

2,146 posted on 10/28/2003 6:33:01 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: calawah98
as i have said earlier...my tin foil hat is firmly in place. Especially now that nic is reporting fires along the I10 in the pass area. I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop. God, but I hope it is not our turn. Enough already.
2,147 posted on 10/28/2003 6:33:25 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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Jennings prempted by local news on KABC.

2,148 posted on 10/28/2003 6:33:26 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: lainie
The reporter was actually trying not to laugh as people were telling him. Figured it was a little to levity to this whole disatrous situation.
2,149 posted on 10/28/2003 6:33:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Conservative4Ever
I read that about "ONE AM" california time,tonight,the geomagnetic storm was forecast to hit.

That was their best guess,no guarantee.

Hope and pray it will not knock out radios,etc.

2,150 posted on 10/28/2003 6:34:12 PM PST by Free Trapper
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