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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: winker
See post 2113 and come back on this thread and give us an update on New Mexico!
2,151 posted on 10/28/2003 6:35:07 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: spectr17
One can only imagine the conditions that we would be dealing with if the Yellowstone Caldera was to blow or a large magnatitude earthquake were to happen. Prayers are definately indicated and coveted! Stay Safe! The shaking has begun for America! Now unexplained fires in New Mexico.
2,152 posted on 10/28/2003 6:36:26 PM PST by winker
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To: ArmstedFragg
The truck's insured...

Is it? Insurance contracts usually contain lots of outs for things like driving your truck into the middle of a forest fire.

Oh well, at least the people are okay.

2,153 posted on 10/28/2003 6:36:37 PM PST by Timesink
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To: PhiKapMom
My heart goes out to the poor Stevenson Ranch people. This is unbelievable.
2,154 posted on 10/28/2003 6:36:38 PM PST by lainie
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To: viaveritasvita
I just got my cable back. Did we lose Lake Arrowhead??? Hope Not
2,155 posted on 10/28/2003 6:36:49 PM PST by cmsgop ( Always wash you hands after touching "The Gift")
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To: lainie
I'm an idiot.

I deleted yesterday's pic of Henry standing next to that raging inferno with his shoe nearly on fire.

2,158 posted on 10/28/2003 6:37:48 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: nicmarlo; Conservative4Ever
Sounds like someone is going down I-10 trying to start fires -- CHP needs to be in that area. Now at Cabazon after being in the Beaumont area.
2,159 posted on 10/28/2003 6:37:58 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: viaveritasvita
well yes...but I'm not ready yet...I need more time. :)
2,160 posted on 10/28/2003 6:38:19 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: cmsgop
Haven't lost Lake Arrowhead yet...
2,161 posted on 10/28/2003 6:38:19 PM PST by lainie
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To: Free Trapper
Woah...Clint Eastwood talking to Savage..he called in.
And he was ripping Mystic River earlier..
2,162 posted on 10/28/2003 6:38:30 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: winker
Not to make light of your troubles, but if Yellowstone blows, those fires will look like a marshmellow roast compared to it.
2,163 posted on 10/28/2003 6:38:42 PM PST by Merdoug
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To: hole_n_one
awwwwww darn.

Don't worry, someone else will have it -- and if not, he'll do something utterly stupid tomorrow.
2,164 posted on 10/28/2003 6:39:01 PM PST by lainie
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To: Timesink
Insurance contracts usually contain lots of outs

Ah yes..... the old helmet hair stupidity clause....

2,165 posted on 10/28/2003 6:39:04 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: viaveritasvita
thinking of the song, the fire next time...next time being after the flood and Noah's ark.
2,166 posted on 10/28/2003 6:39:21 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: Yaelle
It's not about using PUBLIC funds for the clearing, it's about allowing anyone to clear public lands to the point of fire safety.)

It is also about letting private property owners clear their own private property. See my prior posts.
2,167 posted on 10/28/2003 6:39:22 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: PhiKapMom
All the fires starting has me worried.
Up here we have had a big wind storm,big wave knocked windows out of Ivars, resturant in Seattle, damaged the ferry dock, and power out every where. It has not hit here yet, but the wind is picking up. We just got over a big flood, a week ago Monday. I guess I can be thankful it is to wet to burn.
2,168 posted on 10/28/2003 6:39:52 PM PST by calawah98
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To: sandyeggo
Unblieveable..... I just cannot fathom all this.


Anyone got a list of working video/scan links.

Both MSNBC and CBS are not streaming at this time.

Mega prayers for everyone out there.
2,169 posted on 10/28/2003 6:40:40 PM PST by Johnny Gage (I'm like a Super Hero..... only with no powers and no motivation.)
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To: wolficatZ
What's Clint have to say? We just need to clear our homes and communities of brush further?
2,170 posted on 10/28/2003 6:40:53 PM PST by lainie
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To: All; sandyeggo; nicmarlo; PhiKapMom; FITZ; Conservative4Ever; lainie
I'm preparing an email to my friends using info from this thread and some personal info. If anyone cares to (has the time to) review it and make suggestions/corrections/additions/deletions, I'd appreciate it.....



My online friends from KA tell me that the news reports (so-called!) are not reporting the extent of the devastation of the fires. These fires are not the usual, seasonal brush fires. It’s an absolute tragedy what’s happening there. They’re asking for people to send emails telling of the scope of the fires and asking for PRAYERS.

It’s hard to imagine the kind of fire and the speed with which it travels when it’s burning up dry brush and dead trees. The environmentalist wackos should be ashamed of themselves (then they should be hung) for preventing controlled fires to thin out (reasonable forest management as the fire/forestry experts have been begging the KA gov’t to do for years now!) the brush, etc. in order to save spotted owls, beetles, and trees, but I digress.

Firefighters (FF) from San Diego (SD) were sent up north to Los Angeles (LA) area -- San Bernardino (San Berdu) -- late last week to assist there. When the fires started in SD, they didn’t have a full capacity of FF.

Blocks and blocks of homes in Scripps Ranch (SD) are burned to the ground. I used to live right across the freeway from these homes.

My friend in Valley Center (SD) was evacuated at a moment’s notice; when they were allowed to return, their neighbor’s home was burned to the ground. Domesticated animals (including horses) were running wild – owners on evac orders let them out of barns so they wouldn’t be trapped.

Santee, Lakeside, El Cajon (all SD) on fire. Friends evac’d out of Santee, but I think they were allowed back home as of this morning.

Huge sections – 16 miles out-of-control -- burning in Alpine (SD). Ruth’s daughter believes her home in Alpine is gone – they were evac’d a few days ago. Alpine fire now (8:30 PM 10/28/03) moving into the beautiful, little town of Julian. The last time I saw Pam (before she died), we visited Julian. Recently, the people of Julian fought the good fight and kept McDonald’s out of their idyllic area. Pine Valley is on fire. SD east county is in dire straits.

Lake Arrowhead area (not the town yet) is on fire; the skyline looks like a mushroom cloud. Big Bear is being evac’d – Hwy 18, aka Rim of The World, is on fire. Some in this area are reporting firestorm activity (which means, I think, a special weather pattern created by an out-of-control fire – a very bad thing for FF).

Nearly the entire town of Cuyamaca -- over 100 homes/businesses – is gone. Cuyamaca was a little piece of Americana – 1950’s architecture and values to match. It cannot be replaced.

San Berdu fire still burning. Simi Valley on fire. Otay Mesa and into Mexico on fire.

It is raining ash at March Air Force Base. Friends in Clairemont Mesa area said several inches of ash on ground. Sky dark all over (except coastal areas). They’re choking on smoke.

Homes not burned are smoke damaged – one friend said his home smelled like burnt BBQ.

Smaller, spot fires EVERYWHERE. Thousands without power. Smoke can be seen as far away as Palm Springs.

Air choppers not able to drop water/fire retardant after dark and are not able to fly in some areas due to smoke and high Santa Ana winds. FF and forestry personnel are utterly exhausted!

At least one fire (and probably several more) started by arsonist/terrorist. Police are looking for two suspects seen leaving the area. SD fires started on the first day of Islamic Ramadan – one cannot dismiss this piece of info in this day and age. One was reportedly started by a hunter who shot off a flare when he got lost from his group.

Don’t know about today, but on Sunday, ALL MAJOR FREEWAYS IN SD WERE SHUT DOWN (except I-5)! You have no idea what kind of gridlock this caused. Just imagine all the cars stopped for miles coming into SD from Arizona – a stretch of freeway that is desert. One of the most beautiful freeways I’ve ever driven – 163 going toward the world famous SD zoo – was closed and on fire.

Looting is taking place in the evac’d areas. Citizens are staying behind to stand guard, but then getting trapped or getting in the way of FF who have more important things to do than go back into an area that was supposed to be evac’d to deal with both looters and citizens.

Last I heard: 600,000 acres consumed. Over 1500 homes. 17 dead. FF and forestry personnel saying this is the worst fire devastation they’ve ever seen.

People 30 miles from fires said it was “pitch black” at 3:00 in the afternoon.

The grief is going to be very, very deep for many people – lost lives, lost homes, lost pets, photos, family heirlooms.

The President responding appropriately.

PLEASE PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR FELLOW AMERICANS!!

[see attached map from SD Union/Tribune yesterday morning – it’s gotten worse since then]....

END EMAIL and thanks for any help.

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2,171 posted on 10/28/2003 6:41:03 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: viaveritasvita
"One of the difficulties in this fire is it's in steep areas and it's going to be hard to access," Duemling said. "We're going to have to fight the hot spots with hand tools and hike in water."

On the New Mexico fires ---- set by an arsonist(s) and where it's going to be tough to get them out. Hike in with water?

2,172 posted on 10/28/2003 6:41:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Free Trapper
the report Mr. C4E was reading didn't give a time...will convey this message to him...thanks.
2,173 posted on 10/28/2003 6:41:11 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: wolficatZ
Lost the MSNBC feed. Tried your NBC URL's -- both only color bars. Any other tricks up your sleeve. ;>)
2,174 posted on 10/28/2003 6:41:30 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: PhiKapMom; Conservative4Ever
Sounds like someone is going down I-10 trying to start fires -- CHP needs to be in that area. Now at Cabazon after being in the Beaumont area.

Agreed....they need to get out the National Guard, maybe, to patrol.

2,175 posted on 10/28/2003 6:41:43 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: hole_n_one
Scroll down to first link under CBS 2 Video titled News Van Trapped Near Skyforest, Overtaken By Roaring Flames

Odd. The audio was fine, but the video was just a mess of random colors. Thanks for the link though.

2,176 posted on 10/28/2003 6:42:40 PM PST by Timesink
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To: PhiKapMom; Conservative4Ever
Fire on the INDIO DISPATCH has been removed!!!!
2,177 posted on 10/28/2003 6:43:17 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: cmsgop
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the town of Arrowhead is not on fire, but that the whole area around it is -- Rim of the World on fire -- fire out-of-control.

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2,178 posted on 10/28/2003 6:43:18 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: CedarDave
I've got a scanner running from Big Bear.

http://xgen.caliberstreams.com/mcasx.asx?media=4005&package=2207
2,179 posted on 10/28/2003 6:43:27 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: CedarDave
I''m looking Dave; lots of audio scanner activity on Big Bear and Simi scanners
2,180 posted on 10/28/2003 6:43:51 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: PhiKapMom; Conservative4Ever
Indio Dispatch Center

Number of Incidents: 2 Last Updated at: 10/28/2003 6:41:36 PM

No. Time Type Location Area

1330 6:25PM Traffic Hazard WB I10 JEO RAMON RD Indio
0163 6:23AM Lane Closure INDIO CC Indio
2,181 posted on 10/28/2003 6:43:52 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: viaveritasvita
I remember last time this year ---- Arabs were seen buying up a bunch of candy in Costco stores. Warnings about Halloween were everywhere. Maybe there's something about this week to them ---- well..... besides Ramadan?
2,182 posted on 10/28/2003 6:44:09 PM PST by FITZ
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To: hole_n_one
hole-in-one - excellent job with the screen shots. Your efforts are appreciated.

Stay safe

2,183 posted on 10/28/2003 6:44:21 PM PST by meyer
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To: spectr17
Do you think Arrowbear(Music Camp) will be hit?? How soon could this take place?
2,184 posted on 10/28/2003 6:44:50 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: Brad's Gramma
Hey BG. Which media player are you using to listen to that link?

Thanks
2,185 posted on 10/28/2003 6:44:51 PM PST by Johnny Gage (I'm like a Super Hero..... only with no powers and no motivation.)
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I finally just got the SB scanner to start up again
2,186 posted on 10/28/2003 6:45:18 PM PST by lainie
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To: Johnny Gage
It opened in Windows Media. I've had it running for hours now.
2,187 posted on 10/28/2003 6:45:23 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: All
CHP Site temporarily down again.
2,188 posted on 10/28/2003 6:46:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: PhiKapMom
you read it that way too..huh. Yep...our little perp is being a busy boy. The first site was near the junction of the 60 and I10. Toss and drive on...strike again down the road. LOL...nothing much left to burn east of Cabazon...all desert.
2,189 posted on 10/28/2003 6:46:17 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: FITZ
Looks like the only fire that is not arson for sure is the hunter and the flare down in San Diego County. The LA County Fire spokesman said they can find no other explanation for the fire in the Simi Valley, we know SB is arson, and now someone going down I-10 starting fires.

This is getting scarey!
2,190 posted on 10/28/2003 6:48:27 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: The Westerner
Arrowbear is east of Running Springs, so it really depends if they can contain it there at Running Springs.
2,191 posted on 10/28/2003 6:49:05 PM PST by sf4dubya
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To: Brad's Gramma
Good evening BG. Have been away from the computer since yesterday morning and haven't been able to read this entire thread (trying to scan quickly). Trying to figure out if things are worse/better/same in Calif. Now there are fires in New Mexico? Good grief.
2,192 posted on 10/28/2003 6:49:19 PM PST by Oorang ( If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?)
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To: calawah98
I have been at that franchise of Ivars I believe. Spent the fourth of July as a 13 year old there on the second floor looking at fireworks while on vacation.
2,193 posted on 10/28/2003 6:49:36 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: hole_n_one
Brokaw-Rather-Jennings: Get OUT of our state!!!! People are dying, losing everything!!! You miserable, sick vultures!!
2,194 posted on 10/28/2003 6:49:46 PM PST by Inspectorette (WS)
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To: Conservative4Ever
...but I'm not ready yet...

I am! Please come soon, Lord.

I need more time...

The time is now, my FRiend.

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2,195 posted on 10/28/2003 6:49:51 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: Conservative4Ever; All
Sorry if this has been mentioned, I am in and out.

KFMB Channel 8 in San Diego just did a story about the NAVY offering choppers for water drops on Sunday but they were turned down because the NAVY pilots were not certified through CDF. They had choppers parked at Ramona ready to fight and red tape kept them out.

Amazing.
2,196 posted on 10/28/2003 6:50:36 PM PST by Pylon
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getting all circuits are busy on phone line here in Redlands, Verizon
2,197 posted on 10/28/2003 6:50:38 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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To: Oorang
Read backwards, is my best hint.

And yeah, New Mexico. This stinks to high Heaven.
2,198 posted on 10/28/2003 6:50:42 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: Merdoug
Not to make light of your troubles, but if Yellowstone blows, those fires will look like a marshmellow roast compared to it.

If yellowstone goes..the initial wave blast will put out the fires with ash to follow to smother any that weren't taken care of the first time around. Sorry, I'm getting punchy now...[hysterical laughter]

2,199 posted on 10/28/2003 6:50:43 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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2,200 posted on 10/28/2003 6:51:04 PM PST by hole_n_one
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