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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: Merovingian
Help me with this: I know God promised (the sign being the rainbow) never to destroy the earth by flood again, but is there something in the Bible that specifically says destruction by fire?

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2,201 posted on 10/28/2003 6:51:14 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: nicmarlo
6:35 PM PST, October 28, 2003


Fires Near Lake Arrowhead, Big Bear Resorts and Stevenson Ranch

By Marisa Lagos, Zeke Minaya and Daryl Strickland, Times Staff Writers

Over 1,000 firefighters battling the Simi Valley blaze were successful in keeping the fire from entering the San Fernando Valley today, but could not keep flames from crossing into Los Angeles County by nightfall.

By 5 p.m., the fire was threatening the upscale Stevenson Ranch area from the southwest, and firefighters were frantically setting backfires and bombing the blaze with water-dropping helicopters to slow its advance, Los Angeles County fire spokesman Nathan Gonzales said.

And despite the higher humidity and drop in Santa Ana winds, wildfires also continued to march toward the resort mountain communities of Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead today, forcing massive evacuations.

In San Diego, dual blazes threatened to merge into one huge inferno and forced homeowners in mountain communities to flee. The small town of Cuyamaca, south of Julian, was 90% destroyed today, and fire officials said the affected areas could total as much as 250,000 acres for the Cedar fire alone.

Officials said they may have partial containment of that fire by next Monday.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-102803fire_lat,1,7213448.story?coll=la-headlines-california
2,202 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:12 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Inspectorette
Brokaw-Rather-Jennings: Get OUT of our state!!!! People are dying, losing everything!!! You miserable, sick vultures!!

People have been complaining on these threads for days and days about a lack of coverage of the fires, and the moment it starts getting the coverage...

2,203 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:14 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Ladypixel
Took approximately nine years to get Malibu rebuilt after the big fire there. Of course, those were multi-million dollar homes.

I have heard that the houses in Scripps region started at $one million price.
2,204 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:28 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Thanks for the link. I'll check in there for the latest on Running Springs/Arrowbear.
2,206 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:45 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: FITZ
Damn, FITZ!! This is unreal!

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2,207 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:49 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: dogbyte12
That is a Seattle land mark, been there quite a few years, remember going there in the late 60s.
I am thinking the number of fires, some one is setting them, Lord, what a bunch of sick people.
2,208 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:49 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Merdoug
I am well aware of the senario and you are correct to such an extent nobody is able to comprehend the potential disatrous circumstances. The power of all these cataclysmic conditions is awesome and a gross understatement. I just hope it all holds together for a while longer. This country is dealing with a lot to say grace over these days and your knees seems to be a good place to frequent in these uncertain times; lot of things to discuss!
2,209 posted on 10/28/2003 6:53:01 PM PST by winker
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To: Conservative4Ever
just had a major drop in power. Mr. C4E suggested a change in power grid..if so they didn't do it very gracefully...heh heh...

I initiated something like that once - the phone was ringing off the hook within 1 minute from fellow employees wondering what kind of tricks I was performing with the grid. I quickly undid what I had done! :)

2,210 posted on 10/28/2003 6:53:58 PM PST by meyer
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To: nicmarlo
Just heard over the Simi scanner link that there are power lines down. FFers are to consider all powerlines live. Not certian what streets they were talking about.
2,211 posted on 10/28/2003 6:54:36 PM PST by amom
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2,212 posted on 10/28/2003 6:54:38 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: viaveritasvita
You might add that one official was saying that it may take a "season ending event" (read lots of moisture) to stop these fires.

Three weeks of fire is not out of the question - according to the fire official interviewed on national cable news.
2,213 posted on 10/28/2003 6:54:54 PM PST by I'll be your Huckleberry (`)
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Paradise and Cedar fire are only a few miles apart from merging now. It would cut off all escape routes to the north. This is really really bad.
2,214 posted on 10/28/2003 6:55:13 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: nicmarlo
Officials said they may have partial containment of that fire by next Monday.

It'll take a WEEK for PARTIAL containment? Holy crap...

2,215 posted on 10/28/2003 6:55:23 PM PST by Timesink
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To: hole_n_one
MY GOD!
2,216 posted on 10/28/2003 6:55:38 PM PST by lainie
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To: Timesink
People have been complaining on these threads for days and days about a lack of coverage of the fires, and the moment it starts getting the coverage...

I know what you mean. But Dan Rather!? Who's next...Geraldo!!?

2,217 posted on 10/28/2003 6:55:41 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: spectr17
Welcome back, spectr17. Sad to hear about those firefighter's homes - it just ain't right sometimes.

Glad to see you've stayed safe through this. Please keep it that way!

2,218 posted on 10/28/2003 6:56:48 PM PST by meyer
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To: ridesthemiles
The enviros have passed enough rules that you cannot cut down any trees on your property unless you hire a certified arborist, which can cost a minimum of $5000,

Back in Connecticut, a tree fell across my driveway (long dirt driveway), and I called a company to cut it up. They charged $500 for maybe 30 minutes of work, and then TOOK THE WOOD instead of leaving it for me to chop for my fireplace.

I was incensed. God knows how much it would cost if I wanted to fell some of the iffy-looking trees along the driveway. I bought a chainsaw after that, but sold the house before I got around to using it.

2,219 posted on 10/28/2003 6:57:05 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: South40
Geraldo beat Dan by a few hours. The male war whore was up at Big Bear already..
2,220 posted on 10/28/2003 6:57:34 PM PST by lainie
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To: South40
Who's next...Geraldo!!?

Too late, he's here.

2,221 posted on 10/28/2003 6:57:40 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: lainie
Local scanner: Piru or Simi, power lines down no other info
2,222 posted on 10/28/2003 6:58:34 PM PST by lainie
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To: socal_parrot; lainie
Say it isn't so!!!!
2,223 posted on 10/28/2003 6:58:41 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: viaveritasvita
Sounds like you've gotten everything down perfect in that e-mail, via; you certainly down need any help from me. Great letter!
2,224 posted on 10/28/2003 6:58:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: spectr17
no kidding...cell phone is working fine here in Calimesa...and I'm still hanging on with my dial-up. We are in the sticks here folks...DSL is not available to us. Either cable or dial-up. Damn, but I wish I had my wireless modem already.
2,225 posted on 10/28/2003 6:58:52 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: nicmarlo
whew..thanks for reporting nic
2,226 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:22 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: I'll be your Huckleberry
Thank you! Just added your info.

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2,227 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:38 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: diamond6
This bill has been blocked by certain politicians but I can't remember their names

Diane Fienstein is actually one of them!!!!
2,228 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:38 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: South40
Yep...He was leaking the Firefighter's war plans all day today.
2,229 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:44 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: Timesink
It'll take a WEEK for PARTIAL containment? Holy crap...

Awful, isn't it?

2,230 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:56 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Pylon
yeah...to bad huh...got to wave off the red tape in cases like this. IMHO
2,231 posted on 10/28/2003 7:01:24 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: nicmarlo
chp incident site is down for me. Can you still get on?
2,232 posted on 10/28/2003 7:01:31 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: webvanca
Do you know what if anything is happening in the Santee area? I thought that area was "ok" as of last night, and I am completely confused now. I am stunned this isnt given more attention on the national news.
2,233 posted on 10/28/2003 7:01:59 PM PST by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, nic!

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2,234 posted on 10/28/2003 7:02:01 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: Conservative4Ever
yw, conservative.....glad I got to check on Indio Dispatch site before CHP went down.....it's still not up....too many people overloading the server.
2,235 posted on 10/28/2003 7:02:03 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: spectr17
I heard it was a microwave van. pics look like it too, KNBC

Kind of looking like a microwave oven in hole-in-one's picture! :)

2,236 posted on 10/28/2003 7:02:11 PM PST by meyer
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To: viaveritasvita
I am no Bible expert, but I do remember something in the book of Revelation about the angel who emptied out his bowl upon the sun which was permitted to burn humanity with fire...See if you can find it.
2,238 posted on 10/28/2003 7:03:10 PM PST by Merovingian
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Update from the Glendora region:

The entire area of the eastern San Gabriel Valley is completely choked with smoke. The skies above us, at dusk, looked the same as they had since about 2pm; dingy orange-grey with dim light filtering through. As the sun set, the sky went steely grey... with no stars visible whatsoever. Who knows if the moon's up.

The smoke, of course, rings the mountain range directly northward of us. It's like a halo of darkness. Standing in the parking lot of the local Walmart, I could barely see the nearby hill (approximately an eighth of a mile away), and I could not make out the tops of the mountains whatsoever; there was a dim outline which might have been the mountains, but it was virtually impossible to tell through the haze.

People are moving around here actively now that the sun has set; the parking lot at the Walmart was crammed, as was the local Target. It appears that now that the major "danger" has passed as per the newscasts, people are feeling daring enough to leave their homes. However, if the wind shifts, there's still danger; there's still a fire burning in the mountains above us, and it's perched directly over the only canyon that did not burn in the Curb fire. As things stand now, it's likely that it won't shift... but then again, the weather changes this last week have been staggering.

I've developed a cough from breathing so much smoke-filled air, but then again, so has everyone else out here - we've been breathing this sludge for days on end. I no longer notice the occasional flurries of ash, as long as it's smaller than pencil-eraser size. On the bright side, we aren't getting any more blackened leaves fluttering our direction (I have a small, crusted and burnt oak leaf sitting atop my monitor right now as a reminder of that phase of the fires around here).

On a more personal note, I found out today that my brother in law and his family, who live in some of the off-base Naval housing in San Diego county, were evacuated on Saturday due to the Cedar fire. They were able to return home late Sunday to their home... but not everyone in that region was as lucky, seeing as that a few houses on the off-base housing were burned. I don't know how many, or I'd post it. Family is fine, though. This was a bright spot in my day. (They live north of Qualcomm Stadium, although I'm not sure of the exact location, having only been there two or three times.)

The sun has set; a little breeze picked up, but nothing above... oh, say 2mph. Let's hope that it continues to be mild weather...
2,239 posted on 10/28/2003 7:03:53 PM PST by Ladypixel (Ashes keep fallin' on my head...)
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To: js1138
>>...I don't recall anything like this in Florida. I remember weeks of smog, and I still see the charred remains of trees along I-10, but it wasn't anyways near this bad....<<

Just ask the folks in Flagler, Volusia, and Brevard (where I live) counties.

Of course, it wasn't near the magnitude of the CA fires, but devastating nonetheless.

Homes, property wiped out. Lots of people hospitalized for respitory problems.

Firefighters/planes/helicopters from all of the US came in to help.

Here's one story I found while composing this post:

1998 Florida Fires

2,240 posted on 10/28/2003 7:04:11 PM PST by FReepaholic (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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To: Conservative4Ever
Just heard a call on the scanner from a unit in Julian, he asked for more equiptment, when asked how much, he said, "everything" It doesn't look good for Julian.
2,241 posted on 10/28/2003 7:04:22 PM PST by Pylon
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To: webvanca
Thanks much
2,242 posted on 10/28/2003 7:04:59 PM PST by Oorang ( If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?)
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To: viaveritasvita
For those still on Big Bear or anticipating departure/evacuation, be advised that Hi 62 was bumper to bumper with nobody moving from Yucca Valley to Hi 10 about an hour ago. 247 and Hi 62 were recommended by the San Bernardino Sheriff's office to be avoided by folks living in the hi-desert.

If you are evacuating and waiting to see which way the fire runs, you may want to get on the road, because it might be so congested below as to preclude egress from a fast moving fire.

Additionally, the third largest solar flare from this morning is anticipated to cause havoc about midnight tonight. Things that might be impacted include satellite communications, cell phones, radio operations, microprocessor operations, and power surges. Last similar flare occured circa 2001/1989. In 1989, the flare which glanced by the Earth has been labeled as a cause for a grid power outage in Canada.

Might be wise to top off your gas tanks prior to midnight and seek a safe zone prior to that time.

Worst case, things could happen quickly without much warning after midnight if winds pick up. Best case, maybe nothing but a midnight traffic jam in the middle of the desert,....I've been through worse than the traffic jam, but would prefer not to endure the former.

Laughlin might be a fun time tonight.
2,243 posted on 10/28/2003 7:05:06 PM PST by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: viaveritasvita
Great - I couldn't add a thing.
2,244 posted on 10/28/2003 7:05:16 PM PST by lainie
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To: Merovingian
You can be sure I'll check it out (but later -- I'm doing several things at once here)! Thanks for the Revelations tip. Other FReepers may chime in on this subject, too.

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2,245 posted on 10/28/2003 7:05:47 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: Brad's Gramma
Backwards. Good idea, I wouldn't have thought of it.
2,246 posted on 10/28/2003 7:06:23 PM PST by Oorang ( If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?)
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To: nicmarlo

CALIFORNIA FIRES: 17 DEAD

Wildfires are still raging out of control in southern California, with the death toll now at 17 and more than 1,100 homes reduced to ashes.

Thousands of people are living in shelters and President Bush has declared the area a major disaster zone.

Satellite pictures from Nasa show the inferno is ablaze from Los Angeles to the Mexican border, whipped up by the dry Santa Ana winds....

2,247 posted on 10/28/2003 7:06:41 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Oorang
I stole the idea.
2,248 posted on 10/28/2003 7:06:49 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Hi spectr17)
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To: nicmarlo
thanks, again...hope you get the link back up soon.
2,249 posted on 10/28/2003 7:06:59 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: All
For the Escondido residents here:

Channel 10's report fifteen minutes ago that the fire had jumped the lines and entered Escondido was entirely FALSE. About a dozen really tired guys spent the last quarter hour checking it out. Thanks for checking your sources KOGO.

2,250 posted on 10/28/2003 7:07:01 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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