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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: baseballmom
I was looking for strkr to show up. I suppose I could, and use his list. It's nearly 11 p.m.
2,702 posted on 10/28/2003 10:49:13 PM PST by lainie
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To: Free Trapper
That's fine! Thank you!
2,703 posted on 10/28/2003 10:49:27 PM PST by lainie
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To: diamond6
Where is your cabin?

On Seeley Way, about 50 yards west of 138.

2,704 posted on 10/28/2003 10:50:52 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: Timesink
lots of activity big bear scanner http://xgen.caliberstreams.com/mcasx.asx?media=4005&package=2207
2,705 posted on 10/28/2003 10:50:52 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: baseballmom
Caller from Harrison Park

Was on North Peak overlooking lake

Saying mountain is devastated. "the mountain just burned"

Solid wall of flame at 2000ft going from west to east. Mt is 6000 ft. Flames were 400 ft high. Trees were like colums of gasoline (trees dead due to beetles) Saw the mountain and his home burn. Told police "I'm watching my house burn, Cop said So am I."

Caller sounds completely spent.

Thinks there were maybe 400-500 homes lost tonight. Wise decision that FF chose not to fight there. Would have been suicide.

2,706 posted on 10/28/2003 10:51:20 PM PST by baseballmom
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To: webvanca
Sorry, I'm not quite sure. I got it off of their website Shadow Mountain Ministries. I know people who work there and was checking on the status of the campus.
2,707 posted on 10/28/2003 10:54:32 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: PhilipFreneau
Experts say California needs way more regulation and housing expenses aren't nearly high enough.

Please tell me that was a joke.

2,709 posted on 10/28/2003 10:54:56 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: lainie
I think we're overdue for the 10/29 thread.

Please start a new one with the links from Post #1, please?

2,710 posted on 10/28/2003 10:55:42 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: sandyeggo
I'm not quit sure. See #2707 for more info.
2,711 posted on 10/28/2003 10:56:28 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: sandyeggo
I'm back...I see we're NOT making progress.

Dear Lord, such horrible stats. SO many homes lost.
2,714 posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:22 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Give God a chance!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
'k


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010251/posts
2,715 posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:22 PM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
Where do you live in relation to the fires?
2,716 posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:43 PM PST by It's me
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To: All
cmon over, tomorrow's a new day

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010251/posts
2,717 posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:44 PM PST by lainie
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To: It's me
I'm 30 miles or so northwest of the Arrowhead/Crestline/SB fires, in the high desert. Look for Edwards AFB on a map, I'm near there.
2,718 posted on 10/28/2003 11:01:48 PM PST by lainie
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To: baseballmom
"The Indian Reservation - Barona (?)is like a war zone. "

Yep, that's Barona on Wildcat Canyon Rd. I was just there over Labor Day weekend, and I know some of the families there. It was one big valley filled with lots of dry grasses, but only the hills were densely wooded; the actual valley was fairly clear.

Any word on how bad of a warzone it is down there? I'm worried for a few friends...
2,720 posted on 10/28/2003 11:04:10 PM PST by Ladypixel (Ashes keep fallin' on my head...)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
don't know what is more sad, all these photos and stories of loss during these fires, or your pimping for Radio FR on this thread.

To be fair to Bob, I don't think he bothers to actually read the threads before he disrupts them with his Radio FR spam. Sorry to hear about your brother.

2,721 posted on 10/28/2003 11:05:37 PM PST by jjbrouwer (Chelsea for the Champions League)
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To: Ladypixel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1010251/posts?page=1


New thread. We're all over there.
2,722 posted on 10/28/2003 11:06:11 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Give God a chance!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Yeh -- Koppel wasn't host tonight.
2,723 posted on 10/28/2003 11:06:14 PM PST by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: lainie
oh wow! You are that far from arrowhead and cna smell the fire?
2,724 posted on 10/28/2003 11:06:48 PM PST by It's me
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To: It's me
Scanner: Fire is in Miller Canyon Picnic area heading for the back side of Crestline.
2,725 posted on 10/28/2003 11:07:47 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: sandyeggo
Is El Cajon being threatened? I have an uncle there. Are you and yours OK?
2,726 posted on 10/28/2003 11:08:29 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: webvanca
I'm one of the LA area freepers, but honestly, the constant news barrage of the last few nights has taken its toll on me. I've been remarkably slow about posting anything.

Will try to dig up info on Arrowhead area for you, though. Last I heard, though, all mountain communities were on mandantory evac status, people were /still/ trying to get out of the mountain communities. Arrowhead is in severe danger, and I've seen reports of a few homes burning in that city on TV, although firefighters are putting up a concerted effort.

Most local TV is focused on the Simi fire now, unfortunately. But the mountain communities are still in severe danger, and fire's spreading quickly up there.
2,727 posted on 10/28/2003 11:09:25 PM PST by Ladypixel (Ashes keep fallin' on my head...)
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To: wolficatZ
I could not get into your link. Please tell me what is happening in the Big Bear area!

Thanks

MCD
2,728 posted on 10/28/2003 11:10:14 PM PST by MSCASEY
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To: baseballmom
Around 2000 homes were lost to tornados in the Ok.City area in 99.I don't remember how many more in outlying areas.The loss of so many homes was terrible.

The stress being stretched over no telling how many days by these fires can be devastating to some.

2,729 posted on 10/28/2003 11:10:48 PM PST by Free Trapper
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To: Brad's Gramma
From my vantage point in Wisconsin and reading about these fires mainly off of Freerepublic I can't help but wonder if l.there are really a lot more than 1200 homes burned 2. the fire departments have done an unbelieveable job saving many more homes than can be imagined. The reason I say that is because the descriptions of the fires sound as though many more than 1200 homes should have burnt. Don't get me wrong 1200 homes is an enormous loss. But in my mind it would seem like there could almost be 12,000 homes lost. I can hardly believe that there isn't much greater loss of homes.
2,730 posted on 10/28/2003 11:19:36 PM PST by Bellflower (a Dem by any other name smells the same)
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To: brneyedgirl
Previous thread ping. (Still vaguely active.)
2,731 posted on 10/28/2003 11:20:45 PM PST by Ladypixel (Ashes keep fallin' on my head...)
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To: Bellflower
I am from California, I can see why you think that more than 1200 homes have been lost. I think the reason it would be around 1200 and not 12,000 is that there are vast hilly brushy areas that do not contain housing. So there are enclaves with homes that get burned but the majority of the fire is consuming unpopulated brushy areas. JMO.
2,732 posted on 10/29/2003 12:20:51 AM PST by Queen Jadis
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To: Queen Jadis
That makes sense. Thank God more homes haven't been loss. Hopefully the rest of the fires will burn out real soon. It's too bad more can't be done to clear brush. Guess it is hard for me to visualize. I suppose it is too hot and dry for much else to grow unless you water your yard area.
2,733 posted on 10/29/2003 12:25:08 AM PST by Bellflower (a Dem by any other name smells the same)
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To: MSCASEY
There's scanner activity in Big Bear but hard to tell what's going on; I've been listening to some of the KOGO coverage at the same time, If I or anyone else listening hear specifics will definitely post.
2,734 posted on 10/29/2003 1:28:49 AM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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To: Merovingian; Fury
My guess is that there are fires, but as the forests may be picked over for wood to be used as fuel in homes, etc., there is not enough of that dead undergrowth that really helps fires along?

No knowledge of that area, DO they ever have big fires in that region?

Your guess is wrong. Northern Baja is adjacent to San Diego county, and the conditions for fire there are similar to those in San Diego county, but the potential for damage is actually far worse. The boarder area with San Diego is even more prone to fire because it has less natural barriers and more available fuel to feed fires. It's flatter, which allows the winds to more easily pick up, and all the high-density, low-quality dwellings would burn much more rapidly. Yet, I can not recall any Santa Ana driven fires striking this area.

2,735 posted on 10/29/2003 3:10:20 AM PST by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
>> Experts say California needs way more regulation and housing expenses aren't nearly high enough.

I did not write that statement, but that was essentially the theme of the Nightline broadcast -- that California homes need to be much more fire resistant (at significantly greater cost, of course). There was no mention of the contribution of out-of-control environmental regulations to the current firestorms, though there was a minor mention near the end of the broadcast of the need to remove some of the fuel.
2,736 posted on 10/29/2003 4:30:14 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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This just in.

Fire jumped the 18 just now. Is moving toward Running Springs. Flames est 100 ft high.


2,737 posted on 10/29/2003 5:27:26 AM PST by amom
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To: Central Scrutiniser
YOUR COMMENT --- I don't know what is more sad, all these photos and stories of loss during these fires, or your pimping for Radio FR on this thread.
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MY COMMENT --- You don't know? That says something pretty sad about you.
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YOUR COMMENT: People are losing homes, fire is spreading, my brother and his family nearly lost their entire home, its serious stuff, but we have to be subjected to some crass add thrown into the thread?
Sure thing Doug, you keep thinking that fundraising and radio programs are more important than real suffering and breaking news. That is pretty sad about you.
BTW, I expressed an opinon, those are still tolerated here, aren't they?

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This is not the time for a war. If you read again what I posted, I made no comment about the propriety of the FR Radio mention or any comparison of its importance relative to this incredible tragedy. To tell FReepers that I think FR Radio is more important than real suffering is extremely insulting to me. Let's end it here. I'm now sorry that I even took the time to comment on what I thought was a foolish post. If you said that the FR Radio post was not appropriate on the thread, you would not have heard me make a comment. (Best wishes to your brother and his family making it through this.)

2,738 posted on 10/29/2003 5:40:44 AM PST by doug from upland (Why aren't the Clintons living out their remaining years on Alcatraz?)
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To: prairiebreeze
Mullholland is nuts; I wouldn't put something like this past him.
2,739 posted on 10/29/2003 5:48:36 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: Conservative4Ever
Somehow Wes Clark will find a way to blame all this on President Bush.
2,740 posted on 10/29/2003 6:40:21 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: ridesthemiles
Savage ignoring the fact that there was a huge surge in auto buying running up to the date of the increase.
2,741 posted on 10/29/2003 6:41:30 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: ridesthemiles
Good grief. Since our relatives are in their late 70s it may be they aren't aware of the total craziness inflicted on the homeowners in Lake Arrowhead.

Will the sheeple rise up and say enough is enough?

2,742 posted on 10/29/2003 6:44:17 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: jmstein7
Even if he isn't directly involved whatsoever, there are undoubtedly misguided wacko followers of his that would think they are exacting retribution against the evils who voted for Arnold.

Sickness breeds more sickness.

Prairie
2,743 posted on 10/29/2003 7:13:10 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Halloween night, Hildebeest will be aboard her broom scaring children & small animals.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Why don't you take your ass back to the antifreeper boards where you belong.
2,744 posted on 10/29/2003 9:34:11 AM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: mhking
Bravo ! You get the prize!
2,745 posted on 10/29/2003 10:23:30 AM PST by ex-Texan (Reuters Deserves a Long Double Flush . . . Pull the Chain!)
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To: Ladypixel
During the recent election Arnold said that he would not raise taxes except in the case of an emergency. Do you think this is that ememergency? I'd hate for him to have to start his term having to raise taxes.
2,746 posted on 10/29/2003 1:20:46 PM PST by helen crump
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To: Chief_Joe
Thanks, Chief...Just after the post I had heard that in fact there have been some fires in Mexico during this current siege..
2,747 posted on 10/29/2003 3:49:29 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: spectr17
How about on tomorrow's Here we go again we break this up into two threads, one for coastal fires and one for Arrowhead/Mountain fires. Would make it a whole lot easier to follow the ones affecting us.

I've got a house full of people from Big Bear at our house - and their collective seven dogs, four cats - and they are itching (scratching and barking) at me for information.

Or, in the alternative, if someone could tell FNC to provide some decent coverage that would also work.

2,748 posted on 10/29/2003 4:07:56 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Queen Jadis
I am from California, I can see why you think that more than 1200 homes have been lost. I think the reason it would be around 1200 and not 12,000 is that there are vast hilly brushy areas that do not contain housing. So there are enclaves with homes that get burned but the majority of the fire is consuming unpopulated brushy areas. JMO.

I don't know what point you are trying to make but 1,200 plus homes lost is no minor matter.

What is sad is that much of it could have been avoided if they would just let them cut and thin. In Big Bear, they have actually tagged dead trees that were killed by beatles with signs that say you can not cut this tree. The Beatles thrive there, eat what they want, then move to the next tree. They say 90% of the trees on the north and east side of Lake Arrowhead are dead or dying.

Fuel for fire. Fuel for ire against these very whacked out environmentalist.

2,749 posted on 10/29/2003 4:13:48 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: OldFriend
Somehow Wes Clark will find a way to blame all this on President Bush.

Yep, and he will have taken six different positions on the problem himself. Weasely sure knows how to cover an issue.

2,750 posted on 10/29/2003 4:16:30 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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