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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: dogbyte12; nicmarlo
Thanks for the pictures! I was in CA in the late 70's or early 80's. We were staying at a resort and there was a huge forest fire that basically went around the resort. We watch the fire quickly spread over the mountains. Occasionally, you would see a patch of black smoke that we figured was a house going up. :( I remember a lot of animals being run out at well. Stay safe!
601 posted on 10/28/2003 4:58:47 AM PST by Snowy (Annoy a lib -> Work hard, earn money, and be happy!)
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To: dogbyte12
California Number of Fires: 11 Acres: 231,053 New Fires: 2 Fires Contained: 0
Number of WFU Fires: 2 WFU acres: 15,067

For general information concerning wildland fires in California, call 909-381-3151.

NEW Cedar (Cleveland National Forest): 6,000 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is burning 10 miles east of Ramona. Rapid rates of spread were caused by high winds.

Information: For more information, call 619-590-3160.

NEW Otay (Monte Vista Unit, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection): 10,000 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is burning five miles south of Dulzura. Major runs with rapid rates of spread were caused by wind. The fire increased 10,000 acres in six hours.

Information: For more information, call 619-590-3160.

Simi Incident (Ventura County): 80,000 acres at five percent contained. This fire is burning five miles north of Simi Valley. The fire burned with rapid rates of spread and long range spotting due to high winds. High winds continue to hamper control efforts. Evacuation centers opened and structure protection is in place in the Simi Valley area. State Routes 188, 126, and 23 are closed.

Information: For more information, call 805-388-4276.

Old (San Bernardino National Forest): 24,000 acres at five percent containment. The fire is located on the north side of San Bernardino. Extreme wind-driven fire behavior with spotting continues. Structure protection is in place for numerous residences and commercial properties. The north end of San Bernardino continues to be evacuated.

Information: For more information, call 909-383-5688 or 909-887-8921.

Verdale (Los Angeles County): 8,680 acres at 85 percent contained. The fire is located four miles west of Santa Clarita. Minimal fire behavior was observed yesterday.

Information: For more information, call 323-881-2411.

Piru (Los Padres National Forest) 25,000 acres at five percent contained. The fire is located 14 miles northwest of Santa Clara. High winds caused extreme fire behavior with long range spotting and high rates of spread. Structure protection is in place for 300 residences and two commercial properties.

Information: For more information, visit the Piru Fire incident website or call 805-961-5770.

Roblar 2 (Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base): 6,892 acres at 85 percent contained. The fire is burning six miles west of Fallbrook. Fire activity was limited to the west flank.

Information: For more information, call 760-725-5043 or 760-763-3889 (fire information).

Grand Prix (San Bernardino Unit, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection): 52,184 acres at 25 percent contained. The fire is located two miles west of Mira Loma. Extreme fire behavior was observed with torching, spotting, fire whirls, and intense runs. The fire continues to burn in a westerly direction. Upland, San Antonio, Mt Baldy Village, and Lytle Creek are being evacuated.

Information: For more information, call 909-383-5688 or 909-887-8921.

Paradise 2 (Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park): 1,297 acres at 97 percent contained. This fire is located seven miles northeast of Three Rivers. The fire was previously reported as part of the Kaweah - Kern Complex. Unseasonably warm and dry conditions continue, causing a significant increase in fire behavior. Fire activity continues in well developed thermal belts and roll-out spotting along ridge tops and in drainages within containment lines.

Information: For more information, visit the National Park Service's Fire News website.

Paradise (Monte Vista Unit, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection): 15,000 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is located six miles northeast of Escondido. Extreme fire behavior was observed due to Santa Ana winds. Residences were evacuated.

Information: For more information, call 619-590-3160.

Mountain (Riverside Unit, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection): 2,000 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is located 13 miles northeast of Ternecula. The fire burned aggressively with rapid rates of spread. Residences were evacuated.

Information: For more information, call 909-940-6985.

Kaweah - Kern Complex (Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park): This 11,317-acre lightning Wildland Fire Use (WFU) fire is being managed to accomplish resource objectives. This fire was previously reported, began on July 28, and is located 15 miles east of Grant Cove in Kings Canyon National Park.

Information: For more information, visit the National Park Service's Fire News website.

Albanita/Hooker (Sequoia National Forest): This 3,750-acre lightning Wildland Fire Use (WFU) fire is being managed to accomplish resource objectives. The fire is located ten miles north-northwest of Kennedy Meadows.
http://www.nifc.gov/fireinfo/nfn.html
602 posted on 10/28/2003 4:59:23 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
County ablaze
Total number of charred acres: 120,000 -- 90,000 of them in Simi Valley

By By T.J. Sullivan,Leslie Parrilla and Kathleen Wilson
October 28, 2003

Ventura County burned at both ends Monday and remained primarily under smoke-stained skies as the total number of acres charred by flames grew to 120,000 -- 90,000 of them in the Simi Valley fire at the east end and another 29,300 in the Piru fire in the west.

As of nightfall, the costs of fighting both fires in Ventura County exceeded a combined total of $3 million. There were no deaths, and injuries were minimal.
http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/county_news/article/0,1375,VCS_226_2382282,00.html
603 posted on 10/28/2003 5:03:01 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: LizardQueen
No joke, if it were another country on fire....we'd probably have all day news coverage. Venting. The info on these threads is the only way I've been able to stay informed and I wouldn't have known just how severe it really is without them.
604 posted on 10/28/2003 5:07:40 AM PST by jesi
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To: pops88; jesi
Perris, CA is doing fine, no significant fires have been reported in that area at all. Actually, they're in a pretty good condition overall - they had a major fire over there about seven years ago, and in the areas where the fire was, they've had developments go in, which would break up any fire lands and prevent the type of running fires that you see near San Bernardino or down in San Diego.

I had some friends who got burned out last time they had a fire down there - it was a real trip to visit them last year - it used to be that you could look out from their home and maybe be able to see neighbors in the distance. Now you've got to navigate two subdivisions, twisting around, to get to their house, and there isn't a plot around them that isn't already developed.
605 posted on 10/28/2003 5:08:00 AM PST by kingu (Just helping...)
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To: LizardQueen
I'm getting aggravated with the lack of coverage

I know what you mean, but at the same time, I think it is unrealistic (for me anyway) to expect the level of detail I want--what is happening in specific neighborhoods in San Diego--from a national news source. Besides, they are getting their news from San Diego, and I am not sure how fast updates about specific areas are getting out.

606 posted on 10/28/2003 5:08:34 AM PST by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: nicmarlo
FOX News just said the fire burning up toward Lake Arrowhead, out of control, the firefighters are basically in retreat.....they do not feel they can stop it at this point.....very bad news coming out of that area. 45,000 homes at risk they said; they also reported because of the extensive beetle attacks, there's extensive dead growth fueling fire.


607 posted on 10/28/2003 5:09:52 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: #3Fan
I don't recall any of your previous posts, but if I see any in the future, I'll know not to pay any attention.

Sheesh, go away.
608 posted on 10/28/2003 5:10:33 AM PST by muggs (FREE EPPIE)
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To: kingu
Thank you sooooo much.
609 posted on 10/28/2003 5:10:39 AM PST by jesi
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0100 Type: Media Information
Location: CHP ROAD CLOSURES DUE TO FIRE
Zoom Map: Click Here
Info as of: 10/28/2003 5:12:12 AM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
5:10AM - ALPINE BLVD @ TAVERN AND ALPINE BLVD @ ARNOLD
4:54AM - SR67 @ SCRIPPS/POWAY PKWY
4:53AM - SR67 @ MT WOODSEN
4:53AM - SR94 @ OTAY LAKES RD
4:52AM - SAN VICENTE @ WILDCAT CANYON RD
4:49AM - EL CAJON AREA:
4:49AM -
4:49AM - OTAY LAKES RD @ WUESTE ROAD
4:49AM - SANTO RD TO EB AND WB SR52
4:49AM - SAN DIEGO AREA:
4:48AM -
4:48AM - THE FOLLOWING ROAD CLOSURE INFORMATION WILL BE UPDATED AS THE INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE
610 posted on 10/28/2003 5:12:36 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Ventura County firefighters watch a twister of flame rise from a back fire in Simi Valley, California.

611 posted on 10/28/2003 5:16:19 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
lake arrowhead area would be a devastating loss. It originally was the middle class dream vacation area in the 40's, 50's, and 60's. Middle class families would buy cabins up there, on blue collar incomes, and vacation up there in the summer time.

That has changed somewhat, as it has gotten more expensive, however there is a lifetime love for the area for many southern californians. As has been pointed out, Blue Jay, right next to the lake, is the home training ground for professional figure skaters like Michelle Quan. It will take many many years for the area to recover from this, if it is as bad as they believe. You simply do not rebuild Arrowhead, like you would a subdivision. If the trees are all gone, the lake filled with soot, alot of the homeowners might just take their settlement and pocket it.

Financially, it isn't as bad as 9-11, but it will get there if we can't get a hold on these fires.

612 posted on 10/28/2003 5:16:36 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: jesi
I'm really hoping that they can nail down the fires near Simi and Lake Arrowhead so that they can get back to the fire up in the high mountains above my house.. Once back in there, it'll burn for weeks with little concern until the Santa Ana winds come back up and forces it back towards the cities below..

In particular, there's East Fork which has enough fuel to lead the fire right back down into Azusa if there's a strong blow.
613 posted on 10/28/2003 5:16:49 AM PST by kingu (Just helping...)
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To: nicmarlo
State expects fires to be costliest ever
By Brian Skoloff, The Associated Press
October 28, 2003

SIMI VALLEY -- Wind-driven wildfires gutting communities from the Mexican border to Ventura County will be the most destructive in California history, the state's emergency services director said Monday as the death toll jumped to 15.

At least 1,134 homes and 483,000 acres have gone up in flames.
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A number of the fires, including Simi Valley, were believed started by arsonists.

"Those who start these fires are no better than domestic terrorists and should be dealt with as such," said Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley.


http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/state/article/0,1375,VCS_122_2382123,00.html
614 posted on 10/28/2003 5:18:37 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: dogbyte12
This is a real tragedy, especially since it appears that many fires are under suspicion of arson.
615 posted on 10/28/2003 5:20:04 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
According to the AP, we are at over 500,000 acres now. Up to over 75% of the land mass of Rhode Island.
616 posted on 10/28/2003 5:21:02 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: nicmarlo
Ignoring evacuation orders fatal for some
People who delay leaving homes killed by fast-moving wildfires

By Michelle Morgante, The Associated Press
October 28, 2003

SAN DIEGO -- As flames closed in, a neighbor ran to Nancy Morphew's door to warn her. But Morphew didn't seem worried about getting out in time.

"She met me at the front door and said, 'I know, I know. Go help other people,' " David Wallace recalled. "She seemed like she had a plan."

After the fire tore through Sunday, Morphew was found dead in the road, her burned-out truck sitting at the bottom of a ditch along Yellow Brick Road.

Like many of the 15 people who died in the wildfires burning across Southern California, Morphew -- a 51-year-old woman who took pride in running her own horse ranch -- apparently underestimated how fast the flames were moving.

"I think she got disoriented and the smoke was probably real bad," said another neighbor, Charlene Pierce. "It looks like she just drove into the canyon."

http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/state/article/0,1375,VCS_122_2382127,00.html
617 posted on 10/28/2003 5:22:00 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: spectr17
Back for a day of sitting quietly and trying to stay out of the way.
618 posted on 10/28/2003 5:22:44 AM PST by CathyRyan
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To: dogbyte12
Yep, that's what I heard on FOX earlier, 500,000 acres burned
619 posted on 10/28/2003 5:23:50 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Area residents hope Big Bear isn’t next to catch fire

By Benjamin Spillman
The Desert Sun
October 28th, 2003

Coachella Valley firefighters are facing long hours and tough choices in their efforts to prevent inland wildfires from overwhelming more Southern California communities.

About two dozen firefighters from the Palm Springs and Cathedral City fire departments are working to suppress flames from wildfires throughout the region.

Palm Springs Fire Marshal Carl Thibeault said the department has already dispatched 15 firefighters -- about one-third of the city’s force -- to help fight fires that have broken out throughout the region.

Thibeault said the local firefighters are trying to protect homes in places like Rancho Cucamonga and San Bernardino where fires have burned through entire neighborhoods.

In sporadic reports, Thibeault said firefighters are telling him that despite their best efforts, they’re often overwhelmed by the size and intensity of the fires.

"They have to pick and choose which houses they can save," Thibeault said. "With these kind of firestorms you can never have enough engines."

So far, no Palm Springs or Cathedral City firefighters have been injured, according to their departments.

The Riverside County Fire Department/California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said it had 664 firefighters battling the Mountain Fire, a wildfire in the area of Temecula and Hemet that has charred about 11,000 acres so far.
http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories2003/local/20031028013654.shtml
620 posted on 10/28/2003 5:45:57 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0101 Type: Traffic Control
Location: VIGILANTE RD AT SR67 (El Cajon area)
Zoom Map: 1211 4H
Info as of: 10/28/2003 5:46:39 AM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
5:42AM - CLOSURES ARE INPLACE, WILLOW & VIGILANTE
5:37AM - SR67 CLOSED @ WILLOW FOR NB & SB TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY TO RAMONA, TRAFFIC NEEDS TO USE WILDCAT CANYON OR GO AROUND SR78 TO RAMONA
5:36AM - CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT IS CLOSED ON 67 -FROM WHERE TO WHERE?
5:32AM - SB TRAFFIC GOING DOWN THE GRADE
5:28AM - 26 @ WILLOW & 67 SHUTTING DOWN ROAD, THERE AREA SEVERAL HOMES BTWN 26 & 16C & THERE WILL BE NB TRAFFIC
5:27AM - 16 ADCV WIL BE DIVERTING TRAFFIC BACK SOUTHBOUND ONTO MORENO
5:25AM - 26 ADV NO SB TRAFFIC FM SCRIPPS POWAY SMOKE IT HEAVY
5:20AM - WILL HAVE TO DO A HARD CLOSURE @ WILLOW RD
5:17AM - WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN 67 BTWN SLAUGHTERHOUSE & WILLOW RD
621 posted on 10/28/2003 5:47:42 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
0116 5:47AM Structure or Grass Fire OLD STAGECOACH RUN AT W VICTORIA DR El Cajon
0115 5:46AM Structure or Grass Fire SB I15 JSO EB SR52 San Diego
622 posted on 10/28/2003 5:48:21 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0003 Type: Lane Closure
Location: BORDER
Zoom Map: Click Here
Info as of: 10/28/2003 5:49:27 AM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
5:34AM - SAN GORGONIO PASS AREA CLOSURES - CACTUS VALLEY RD AT SAGE RD, OLD SAGE RD ;; DIAMOND VALLEY RD AT PALM AV

5:34AM - OCEANSIDE AREA CLOSURES - VALLEY CENTER RD AT HARRAH S CASINO, N LAKE WHOLFORD, WOODS VALLEY RD ;; N LAKE WOLFORD AT STATIONRD ;; PARADISE AT WOODS VALLEY

5:34AM - EL CAJON AREA CLOSURES - SAN VICENTE AT WILDCAT ;; SR-94 AT OTAY LAKES ;; SR-67 AT MT WOODSEN AND AT SCRIPPS POWAY ;; ALPINE AT TAVERN AND AT ARNOLD ;; LA CRESTA/COYOTE RIDGE ;; MOUNTAIN VIEW/FRANCIS

5:34AM - SAN DIEGO AREA CLOSURES - SANTO RD TO EB/WB SR-52 ;; OTAY LAKES RD AT WUESTE RD

1:36AM - SR-78/SR-79 CLOSED TO NON-RESIDENCE FM SANTA YSABEL TO SUNRISE HWY

1:32AM - ** UPDATE THIS LOG W/ CLOSURE INFO ONLY FOR SAN DIEGO AREA **
623 posted on 10/28/2003 5:50:58 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: All
Off to work.....crossing my fingers the winds die down.
624 posted on 10/28/2003 5:53:05 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Ladypixel
*laaaugh* The irony is that I work at a Native American store - and I /still/ don't know anyone who can do a raindance...

I know how to do one - I'll do one this morning...

625 posted on 10/28/2003 5:58:12 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: nicmarlo
Good morning everyone...

I'm watching the new pictures on KNBC/KCBS/KABC/KTTV.

It looks like the Lake Arrowhead area is the roughest spot this morning. Apparently the fire has jumped over the 18 and is moving up the mountain in that area as the winds increase.
626 posted on 10/28/2003 6:02:53 AM PST by mhking
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Do 'long distance' rain dances work? Or will you get rain in the Puget Sound area instead? :-)
627 posted on 10/28/2003 6:11:26 AM PST by justshe (Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?)
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Today is the last tough day weather wise for the valleys near the Simi fire. Latest forecast from the weather channel.

Today H 90 L 56
Wed H 79 L 53
Thur H 76 L 45
Fri H 61 L 40
Sat H 61 L 42

628 posted on 10/28/2003 6:12:08 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: justshe
Do 'long distance' rain dances work? Or will you get rain in the Puget Sound area instead? :-)

Don't do that! I tried down here and ended up with a flooded yard!

629 posted on 10/28/2003 6:14:29 AM PST by mhking
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To: justshe
Do 'long distance' rain dances work? Or will you get rain in the Puget Sound area instead? :-)

Make sure your aim is accurate. If you hit SE PA, the animals will start to walk in pairs!

630 posted on 10/28/2003 6:18:58 AM PST by Snowy (Annoy a lib -> Work hard, earn money, and be happy!)
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To: Snowy
KNBC is showing the flames that are within 100 yards of the Rim of the World High School near State Highway 18. Firefighters in that area are lined up in front of that school and making a stand there, but it doesn't look good at all.
631 posted on 10/28/2003 6:20:18 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Flames are now just 50 yards from the backside of Rim of the World High School, and going uphill, which allows the fire to travel faster. About to hit the sports fields in the back, the treeline is literally on top of that section of the school, so it is extremely dangerous for fire fighters there.
632 posted on 10/28/2003 6:39:00 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
The pictures are simply unfathomable.
633 posted on 10/28/2003 6:53:44 AM PST by mhking
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To: dogbyte12
Any updates on Arrowhead? The fire 50 yds from the high school 15 minutes ago? Anything new?
634 posted on 10/28/2003 6:54:32 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: sf4dubya
Good Morning!

Looks like Lake Arrowhead/Blue Jay are going to be safe according to what is being shown on KTLA from their helicopter. The firemen have set backfires to keep the fire on the downside of 18. So far the wind is cooperating. The fire is right below Rim of the World High School but the backfires seem to be working. Winds blowing to the south away from Lake Arrowhead.
635 posted on 10/28/2003 6:55:28 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
Do you have a link for KTLA???? Other Pa residents would like one...
636 posted on 10/28/2003 6:59:14 AM PST by abner (In search of a witty tag line...)
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To: PhiKapMom
The KNBC chopper is showing the same pictures; that area looks like the fire may spare the high school. But there are other areas that look really bad.

According to KNBC's reporter in San Diego, the area of that large fire is actually larger than the land area of the city of Los Angeles - more than 450 square miles.
637 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:12 AM PST by mhking
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To: PhiKapMom
bookmark for later.
638 posted on 10/28/2003 7:02:09 AM PST by sissyjane
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To: Free Trapper
Lived about 4 miles south of the path of that tornado that stayed on the ground for miles and was actually over an F-5 at two points in the Moore area north of where I lived. Had only been in the area a short time when it hit and we were watching it on TV as the tornado hit each spot on the map at the time they said when I realized it was right across the river from us but it went north into the knee of the river at Moore. It was hard to fathom that kind of windspeed. Taught me a lesson to be prepared and when they say move to below ground or get out of the path -- I am listening now!

It was unbelieveable devastation and some people that were hit and rebuilt were hit again last spring.

Lived in Yucaipa and remember the ash from several fires in the mountains behind but nothing compared to this fire -- not even close.
639 posted on 10/28/2003 7:05:00 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Ladypixel
*laaaugh* The irony is that I work at a Native American store - and I /still/ don't know anyone who can do a raindance...

I'm a "Native American", too; I was born in the USA.

If you want a rain dance, what you need to find is an Indian.

640 posted on 10/28/2003 7:07:47 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: mhking
FOX news now reporting a BOLO for 2 white males ...Geraldo.... more to come...

302nd Airlift Wing could arrive today.

Agree, coverage is abysmal on this major catastrophe..following closely from East Coast...
641 posted on 10/28/2003 7:10:30 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: mhking
morning, I just rolled out of bed. I've been sick all week so it's nice to sleep a night. The wind must not have shifted yet, as it's still clear up here (slightly hazy but no brown crud).

Half a million acres. wow.
642 posted on 10/28/2003 7:10:37 AM PST by lainie
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To: cookcounty
KTLA TV is on scene just below the High School. Firefighters are setting back fires just below SR 18 to keep the fire on the low side of the highway. The school is on the upper side of 18.
643 posted on 10/28/2003 7:13:25 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: Merovingian
Agree, coverage is abysmal on this major catastrophe..following closely from East Coast...

CNN, MSNBC, FNC -- they've all gone limp-wristed in terms of their coverage.

I've got DirecTV with LA locals for affiliate coverage, and they're far, far better than the nationals have been.

I would have expected FNC to take advantage of their LA & SD O&O stations, but they've been so wrapped up in Kobe and everything else that they've all but forgotten the scope of this disaster.

644 posted on 10/28/2003 7:19:03 AM PST by mhking
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To: spectr17
checking on fire from roof. Getting closer, Hope neighbor doesn't call me in to cops for being a peeper

At least you have a plausible excuse today. Enjoy the view...

645 posted on 10/28/2003 7:21:41 AM PST by null and void
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To: mhking
I've got DirecTV with LA locals for affiliate coverage, and they're far, far better than the nationals have been.

I have Direct TV, have a couple locals for around here, can you get locals from other areas?

646 posted on 10/28/2003 7:21:57 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: Snowy; mhking; Chad Fairbanks
LOL!

Not me offering to do the rain dance...Chad offered.

Chad....see posts #629 and #630...you have some special requests!
647 posted on 10/28/2003 7:22:51 AM PST by justshe (Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?)
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To: mhking
Combined fire stats-

Total acres burned- 500,000 plus

Homes destroyed- 1,500

Lives lost- 15



From today's OC Register to put that in context...

Past wildfires in California

Some of the worst wildfires in California in the past century:
• October 1999: Jones fire, near Redding. One firefighter killed, 176 homes and hundreds of other buildings destroyed, 26,200 acres burned. Believed to be accidental.
• October and November 1993: Over a two-week period, more than 20 fires raced through Southern California, killing four and burning more than 1,000 homes and 193,814 acres. The largest: the Topanga fire around Malibu, three deaths; 323 homes; 18,000 acres. The Laguna Beach fire on Oct. 27, an arson blaze, burned 16,682 acres and destroyed 389 homes.
• August 1992: Fountain fire, Shasta County. 636 buildings; 63,960 acres. Arson.
• October 1991: Tunnel fire in the Oakland hills, 25 dead; 3,276 homes destroyed, 193 damaged; 1,520 acres.
• June 1990: Painted Cave fire, Santa Barbara County. One death; 641 homes and structures; 4,900 acres. Arson.
• November 1980: Panorama fire, San Bernardino foothills. Four dead; 325 homes; 23,600 acres. Arson.x
• September 1970: Laguna fire, San Diego County mountains. Six deaths; 382 structures; 175,425 acres. Power lines.
• November 1966: Loop fire, near Angeles National Forest. 12 firefighters killed; 2,028 acres. Power line.
• November 1961: Bel Air-Brentwood fire. 484 homes, 21 other buildings. Believed accidental.
• July 1953: Rattlesnake fire in Mendocino National Forest. 15 firefighters killed; 1,300 acres. Arson.
• October 1933: Griffith Park fire. 29 workers clearing brush killed. Cause undetermined.
• September 1923: Berkeley fire. 584 buildings. Power lines.
Sources: California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, local fire agencies, newspaper articles, official and scholarly reports

648 posted on 10/28/2003 7:24:10 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: nicmarlo
Just sent an email to Fox to remove the word NEWS from their name! Their morning show team can go jump for all I care. When Brian said there were three fires in SoCal, he named San Diego, Simi Valley, and Ventura county completely leaving out San Bernardino County and fires in the mountains, I gave up on Fox.

CNN and MSNBC were non-existent as well but they all covered the blackout in the east coast 24/7, that nightclub that burned down, or let a car chase happen in LA they cover it completely. Guess this is not tabloid enough for them now -- and that is for all CABLE (Non) news channels! All the cable channels should be ashamed with their lack of coverage while covering diets, hair styles, and that stupid RAT debate Sunday night!

Couldn't wait until KTLA came on at 7:30 cst with their morning news which is still on satellite with news. They are actually showing the San Bernardino area.

My rant off!

649 posted on 10/28/2003 7:24:40 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: mhking
What strikes me about this (lack of) coverage is that it is universal, ALL the major channels have obviously made a DECISION, certainly giving credence to the claims of controlled media..otherwise, you would see maybe ONE channel which DOES cover it full time.
650 posted on 10/28/2003 7:26:49 AM PST by Merovingian
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