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SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28
10/28/03 | Myself

Posted on 10/27/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by spectr17

SoCal Fires Live Thread 10/28


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; prayerlist; socalfires; wildfire
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To: nicmarlo
Wow, what an amazing picture. I just sent an email to a friend of mine in San Diego. What a horrible thing.
651 posted on 10/28/2003 7:27:59 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: dogbyte12
Hope the backfires they have set along 18 hold and winds keep blowing south. The last thing Arrowhead needs now is on-flow air from the ocean -- they need the wind to keep blowing south.
652 posted on 10/28/2003 7:29:28 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
We are over 3/4 the size of Rhode Island now. If this big a chunk of New York State burned near the network headquarters, any wonder how different the coverage would be?

I bet if 9/11 happened in Omaha with 3,000 dead, it would have been dropped days earlier from the media coverage. I just simply can not stand the media. Their priorities are so out of whack. I understand covering Kobe, and Peterson during dead news periods, but when something important happens, and they don't give it the coverage they give to tabloid cases, it makes me wanna scream.

653 posted on 10/28/2003 7:30:55 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: socal_parrot
KTTV-11 had the same shot. They didn't say how long it will be until they know whether this tactic was successful.
654 posted on 10/28/2003 7:31:21 AM PST by lainie
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To: mhking
I would have expected FNC to take advantage of their LA & SD O&O stations, but they've been so wrapped up in Kobe and everything else that they've all but forgotten the scope of this disaster.

You and me both -- if I didn't have satellite, I would be going nuts!

655 posted on 10/28/2003 7:31:26 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: cgk
They didn't charge her? Wow, I had no idea. She was ID'd IMMEDIATELY, IIRC, but this story says little to nothing about the guy.

Must be named "Mohammad"...

656 posted on 10/28/2003 7:33:25 AM PST by null and void
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To: justshe
Do 'long distance' rain dances work? Or will you get rain in the Puget Sound area instead?

Well, can't hurt to try. Although, it's raining here now, so maybe it DIDN'T work right... I'll try again (Although the people in the smoking area outside will think I've completely flipped)...

657 posted on 10/28/2003 7:34:08 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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Sorry if this is a repost.

Joseph Urbaszewski's Weblog
Tue - October 28, 2003
Updates since 7:04am (PDT).


Worse case scenario is here.
Backfires are being used on 18 higher up.


- "No confirmed information to report, but here is a little UNCONFIRMED information that was passed between dispatchers (other law enforcement dispatchers). SBSO dispatchers heard that at Twin Peaks SO station there was fire around the substation. NO CONFIRMED status on this information CHP dispatchers reported that a water pool is being constructed at RIM in the parking lot for attack helicopter retardant drop operations. NO CONFIRMED status on this information." [reliable source]

- Scanner: Air support transmissions have started, but no further information.

- Watching every TV station; all this looks alarmingly grim. I just do not know what else to say. The footage says it all.

- There has been no reportable information from the scanners.

- Running Springs needs attention as well. Teams are moving in. [6:35am]

- East Highlands update: Major ash fallout, no structures lost for now.

- How is it TV stations can be in the air with THEM asking where the air support was? The TV stations across the board keep asking about air support, yet no answers are coming about.

- The fire is near the high school. Rim Forest, at least with what we see on TV, does not look good. They are fighting the fire at the Bus Barn entrance of Rim High. They are using the "burns" to fight the fire. It is burning in "fingers". [NBC4 -TV]

- KTLA helicopter reporter did not give any clear information; just alarming pictures. Charter Cable and other buildings have perished according to KTLA.

- From a Crestline perspective, things are calmer. The KTLA report was from Top Town.

- 10% contained according to NBC4.

- The winds have shifted into an onshore flow, which is not helping our fire. The next hour will dictate a lot. The winds are flowing south.

- They are trying to save the high school, but the winds are taking the flames over their heads.

- Some small spot fires in Crestline (near Skyland) are being fought. [6:04am]

- "Running Springs is fine, no fire has reached Running Springs. Just saw Dan Teter of Centruy21 on Chanel 7 eyewitness news. He said that everything in running Springs is ok. They have setup a call station at Centruy 21 for Running Springs Residents to call. They didn''t leave a number, but I''m sure that if you search google for C21 running springs you''ll find their website." [John Patrick]


658 posted on 10/28/2003 7:34:26 AM PST by maggief
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To: mhking
Don't do that! I tried down here and ended up with a flooded yard!

Amateur ;0)

659 posted on 10/28/2003 7:35:20 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: lainie
Fire updates...

PIRU FIRE
Ventura County
Size: 29,324 acres.
Homes: None.
Deaths: None.
Containment: 10 percent.
Start: Oct. 23 west of Lake Piru in Ventura County.
Key facts: The fire in Los Padres National Forest damaged small corner of Sespe Wilderness and Sespe Condor sanctuary. There were no condors in the refuge. Voluntary evacuations in Piru and parts of Fillmore.
Personnel: 813 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $1.1 million
Cause: Under investigation.

VERDALE FIRE
Los Angeles County
Size: 9,000 acres.
Homes: None.
Deaths: None.
Containment: 85 percent.
Start: Oct. 24 west of Santa Clarita in northern Los Angeles County.
Key facts: Voluntary evacuations have been lifted for community of Val Verde Park and parts of Piru.
Personnel: 500 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $1.7 million.
Cause: Under investigation.

SIMI VALLEY
Ventura County
Size: 90,000 acres.
Homes: 13 destroyed, eight damaged.
Deaths: None.
Containment: 5 percent.
Start: Oct. 25.
Key facts: Mandatory evacuations in two parts of Chatsworth area in Los Angeles County. Voluntary evacuations for Box Canyon and other areas of Simi Valley. Blaze has moved past Ronald Reagan Library without causing damage.
Personnel: 902 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $1.1 million
Cause: Under investigation.

GRAND PRIX FIRE
San Bernardino County
Size: 56,474 acres.
Homes: 77 destroyed.
Deaths: None.
Containment: 25 percent.
Start: Oct. 21 near San Bernardino National Forest.
Key facts: Mandatory evacuations in Lytle Creek, Mount Baldy and parts of Claremont, Upland and other foothill communities of the San Gabriel Mountains. Residents are being allowed back in several areas, including parts of Muscoy, Claremont and Upland.
Personnel: 2,506 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $7.2 million.
Cause: Arson.

OLD FIRE
San Bernardino County
Size: 26,000 acres.
Homes: 450 homes, 10 commercial buildings destroyed.
Deaths: Two.
Containment: 10 percent.
Start: Oct. 25 near San Bernardino National Forest.
Key facts: Evacuations in foothill areas of San Bernardino and mountain communities, including Crestline and Lake Arrowhead.
Personnel: 1,632 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $2.1 million.
Cause: Arson.

CAMP PENDLETON
San Diego County
Size: 8,500 acres.
Homes: None.
Deaths: None.
Containment: Fully contained.
Start: Oct. 21 on the base north of San Diego.
Key facts: Authorities are playing down early reports that fire was ignited by live ammunition exercises on the base.
Personnel: 100 firefighters.
Suppression cost: Not available.
Cause: Under investigation.

PARADISE FIRE
San Diego County
Size: 30,000 acres.
Homes: 57 destroyed.
Deaths: Two.
Containment: 15 percent.
Start: Oct. 26 in Valley Center area near Interstate 15.
Key facts: Valley View Casino evacuated.
Personnel: 862 firefighters.
Suppression cost: Not available.
Cause: Under investigation.

CEDAR FIRE
San Diego County
Size: 206,664 acres.
Homes: 150 destroyed in Scripps Ranch, 10 in Tierrasanta, 368 spread across Ramona, Lakeside and surrounding communities of eastern San Diego County.
Deaths: Nine.
Containment: 0 percent.
Start: Oct. 25 in eastern San Diego County.
Key facts: Extends to Scripps Ranch, Poway, Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, Ramona and portions of Santee, Lakeside and Blossom Valley. Air traffic nationwide was disrupted when this fire forced evacuation of a Federal Aviation Administration control center.
Personnel: 2,150 firefighters.
Suppression cost: Not available.
Cause: Authorities believe a hunter set a signal fire when he got lost.

DULZURA FIRE
San Diego County
Size: 45,291 acres.
Homes: None.
Deaths: None.
Containment: 17 percent.
Start: Sunday, Oct. 26 in southern San Diego County.
Key facts: Mandatory evacuations in parts of Jamul, a rural area east of San Diego. The fire prompted voluntary evacuations of parts of eastern Chula Vista and flames skipped over the border into eastern Tijuana but turned back to the U.S. side.
Personnel: 147 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $200,000
Cause: Under investigation.

MOUNTAIN FIRE
Riverside County
Size: 10,000 acres.
Homes: 9 destroyed.
Deaths: None.
Containment: 55 percent.
Start: Oct. 26 in southern Riverside County.
Key facts: Evacuations ordered for 300 homes near Lake Skinner. Two civilian injuries. Four minor firefighter injuries.
Personnel: 500 firefighters.
Suppression cost: $300,000.
Cause: Under investigation.

Sources: The Associated Press, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection and local fire officials.

660 posted on 10/28/2003 7:36:10 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: mhking
per Geraldo:

"San Diego fire was one that was NOT arson"

Police now looking for:
White or gray van with 2 white males with long hair seen throwing items from the van...

of course this is not news to us, as nicmarlo's CHP postings showed this info yesterday..
661 posted on 10/28/2003 7:36:44 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: dogbyte12
It's especially wierd, because outside California, Nobody cares about Kobe or Peterson.
662 posted on 10/28/2003 7:36:50 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: Snowy; justshe
Make sure your aim is accurate. If you hit SE PA, the animals will start to walk in pairs!

Hey, and to think I'm doing this for FREE. There are people out there who would CHARGE for it ;0)

663 posted on 10/28/2003 7:37:27 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: socal_parrot
SD county is really taking the brunt, humanity wise
664 posted on 10/28/2003 7:37:44 AM PST by lainie
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To: nicmarlo
The SB Fire department set backfires along SR 18 to keep the fire south of SR18 and away from Lake Arrowhead which are the large flames they are seeing now. They hope to burn back into the fire to keep it from jumping HW18. Right now on KTLA from their helicopter shot it is still working and they are moving strike teams into the Lake Arrowhead area in case of a wind shift. If the wind holds blowing south Lake Arrowhead and Blue Jay will be spared as they are for the most part keeping the fires south of HW18.

Been watching for over an hour and the fire hasn't gotten any closer to Rim of the World High School since they started the backfires. Also cannot get air drops into the area because of winds.

What is nearest to being taken out right now is Rim of the World High School.
665 posted on 10/28/2003 7:38:14 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Merovingian
I have Direct TV, have a couple locals for around here, can you get locals from other areas?

Technically no, but if you have a "service address" that's outside the class B contour of your local stations, you can request (and get) Los Angeles and New York network affiliates (ABC/CBS/NBC/Fox). Once I "moved", I qualified (and got to keep my Atlanta locals).

666 posted on 10/28/2003 7:39:58 AM PST by mhking
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To: dogbyte12
Their priorities are so out of whack. I understand covering Kobe, and Peterson during dead news periods, but when something important happens, and they don't give it the coverage they give to tabloid cases, it makes me wanna scream.

Along with their continual coverage of the DemocRAT Presidential candidates. Wanted to throw something at the TV this morning when they had so much fluff. The Cable channels are doing a disservice to every person who has family or friends in the California by their non-coverage and coverage of fluff! I have no respect for any of those morning programs left.

667 posted on 10/28/2003 7:43:19 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: maggiefluffs
The SB County spokesman said they cannot get air drops into the mountains because of wind danger to the planes and pilots and is why they are getting no drops there -- said with the winds, the retardent/water would not hit the target.
668 posted on 10/28/2003 7:45:14 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: mhking; Merovingian
I live far enough away from L.A. that I can't get them via air, but close enough that they're considered to be my home channels. Way back in the day, the Dishnet package included all the New York channels -- so I have both NYC and L.A. (and it's awesome).
669 posted on 10/28/2003 7:46:16 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
KFI is talking-up the super scoopers. Is that the plan for today?
670 posted on 10/28/2003 7:46:45 AM PST by lainie
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To: onyx
Just got back to the 'puter, had to leave for the night.
671 posted on 10/28/2003 7:46:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: mhking
thanks, mhking, will look into it pronto..

Too much important news now and in the future coming from Caleefornia..
672 posted on 10/28/2003 7:47:22 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: Travis McGee
"...voluntary evacuation of Angeles Oaks..."
673 posted on 10/28/2003 7:47:54 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Travis McGee
morning
674 posted on 10/28/2003 7:48:33 AM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
The big push is going to be made at Simi today. They think the conditions are right for them to really put an aerial assault on that blaze. They are planning on using 12 different water droppers synchronized together to try to smother it out before it threatens the valley.
675 posted on 10/28/2003 7:49:12 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: lainie
so I have both NYC and L.A. (and it's awesome).

Interesting, you are very lucky. Just TOO much going on to not have maximum coverage!

Will stop using bandwidth for now unless I hear something important not yet posted here!

676 posted on 10/28/2003 7:51:30 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: dogbyte12
They're still in that still-wind phase between Santa Ana and onshore flow? is that it?

People are saying the Arrowhead situation doesn't look good but the pictures look like they've got a handle on it, to me.
677 posted on 10/28/2003 7:51:42 AM PST by lainie
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To: spectr17
What a waste
678 posted on 10/28/2003 7:52:25 AM PST by jetson
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Now moving news crews out from area of Rim of the World High School as the fire is getting hot south of the High School.
679 posted on 10/28/2003 7:53:53 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: spectr17
What's the wind direction now? I'm in the Ocean Beach area and the pall of smoke is diminishing and I'm starting to see the sun.
680 posted on 10/28/2003 7:55:00 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: lainie
I am watching KTLA and so far they are keeping the fire below HW 18 because of backfires they have set and because the wind is blowing to the south so far embers are blowing to the south back on the fire.
681 posted on 10/28/2003 7:55:01 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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Tue - October 28, 2003
Updates since 7:56am (PDT).


Worse case scenario is here.
Backfires are being used on 18; so far, so good.
Here comes the air support!!!!!!


- The eastern part of the fire is well established running toward Running Springs, Arrowbear, and Fredalba. It is fast; crews are establishing coordination and strategies now.

- Air support is on its way to coordinate with ground troops.

- From the fire captain on KTLA: As long as the winds stay South, the backfire should meet the main fire and MAYBE burn out a bit. It all depends on the winds staying their course. If the winds change toward the school.... well, let's not think that way. No air support yet.

- "The only thing I know about Twin Peaks is that Rose Lane was okay at about 7:00. I have family working up there (Sheriff) and we expect to hear from him after he gets some rest." [Tannah; message board]
682 posted on 10/28/2003 7:57:21 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs
Scanner - priority radio tower over high school ... oh, my.
683 posted on 10/28/2003 7:59:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: lainie
The only problem where I am located (2 miles from the beach, 4 miles north of Seaworld, just west of I-5) is the horrible air. Other than that, things are okay. It's 100 times worse for the folks 5-20 miles east of me. With schools all closed, you have a lot of stir crazy kids and parents.

The long-term health effect of breathing this nasty smoke remains to be seen. It's loaded with micro-particles of paint, plastic, chemicals etc. It's like living in a chimney if you have to go outside, and it's MUCH worse out east of here around the burn zones.

684 posted on 10/28/2003 7:59:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
With schools all closed, you have a lot of stir crazy kids and parents.

I thought about that while we were doing our math yesterday :-) (homeschooling)

685 posted on 10/28/2003 8:00:45 AM PST by lainie
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To: maggiefluffs
what does that mean? I can't connect -- it's telling me it's full
686 posted on 10/28/2003 8:01:16 AM PST by lainie
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To: proud American in Canada
I just sent an email to a friend of mine in San Diego

Have you gotten a response? I tried e-mailing relatives in San Diego last night; early this morning I was notified it wasn't going through. The message said they'd keep trying for (I forget) 24 or 48 hours.

687 posted on 10/28/2003 8:02:01 AM PST by maryz
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To: John Jorsett
I'm in Escondido. The area is still thick with smoke and hard to breathe (less ash coming down, however). There's more controlled burn in the Daley Ranch/Dixon Lake. Hope the air will get better with more marine layer coming in.
688 posted on 10/28/2003 8:03:08 AM PST by Toidylop
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To: maryz
the phone system in parts of san diego county is in a shambles - was told there are over 400 telephone poles down...
689 posted on 10/28/2003 8:03:43 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: mhking
Once I "moved", I qualified (and got to keep my Atlanta locals).

Great idea, but doesn't always work. If you move outside the range of the directional spot antennas for one city/region you simply don't receive those signals anymore. I'm suffering from that problem now.

690 posted on 10/28/2003 8:03:49 AM PST by skraeling
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To: Toidylop
So far, here in the San Gabriel Valley, the air actually seems better than yesterday. Yesterday, it smelled like a camping trip, today, not so strong.
691 posted on 10/28/2003 8:04:16 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: lainie
I think they mean which takes priority, radio tower or high school. Reply ... radio tower. Are they dumping from the air up there?
692 posted on 10/28/2003 8:04:34 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs
do you think they mean the tower freepers were speaking of earlier, Strawberry Peak?
693 posted on 10/28/2003 8:05:42 AM PST by lainie
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To: maggiefluffs
I was told they're not dumping because the winds are too strong up there. The winds aren't bad elsewhere, though.
694 posted on 10/28/2003 8:06:20 AM PST by lainie
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To: Fitzcarraldo
KNX about 10 minutes ago was interviewing a fire official who kept talking about holding the line at 18, but didn't really make mention of the Strawberry Peak, Daily (sp?) canyon fire. Are they purposely leaving that part of the fire out of their discussions to avoid panic? Just wondering....
695 posted on 10/28/2003 8:06:43 AM PST by farmer18th
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To: Toidylop
Hope the air will get better with more marine layer coming in.

I just found an online animation (here if you're interested) of the smoke plumes from the fires. Looks like the wind has shifted so that I'm between two of the major plumes, but the wind is still pretty much from the East.

696 posted on 10/28/2003 8:06:58 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: lainie
Sorry, I wasn't on line earlier. Keep trying the scanner link.
697 posted on 10/28/2003 8:07:51 AM PST by maggief
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To: Toidylop
I read from AP that some animals were evacuated from the Wild Animal Park. Do you have any further info? How close is the fire to that area?
698 posted on 10/28/2003 8:09:21 AM PST by berkeleybeej
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To: Fitzcarraldo; archy; onyx; Poohbah; Myrddin
A neighbor of mine is a Navy Commander "Seahawk" pilot stationed at North Island (across San Diego Bay, the north end of Coronado where the carriers are based.)

They have 100 of these Navy-version blackhawks over there, and they are all trained for carrying heavy sling loads, (it's a routine job they do in the fleet, dropping cargo onto ships). He can't understand why there were never tasked with water bucket missions, and still have not been. A Seahawk can lift a water bucket the size of a van. It's a very easy and safe mission, he says. Fly to lake, descend to fill bucket, fly over fire, drop water. Repeat until out of fuel, refuel, continue.

There are 100 Navy Seahawk helos, sitting at North Island, ten minutes flying time from the fires. At least 75 of them are "flyable" today, immediately, if given the order.

What is the sense of that?

If this turns out to be the beginning of a new form of terrorism, then certainly we had better get the military involved where ever it can be. If the first fires were attacked by helicopters with water buckets the first hours they were reported, they might have been put out while they were still small.

Certainly, we need to evolve a new strategy for dealing with coordinated arson-terrorist started fires, a strategy involving the IMMEDIATE use of every available helicopter capable of lifting a water bucket.

What is the sense of having 100 Navy Seahawks sitting idle at North Island, fifteen miles from the fires??????

699 posted on 10/28/2003 8:11:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: dogbyte12
My sister lives in Lake Forest, is she in danger??

I haven't heard from her..
700 posted on 10/28/2003 8:11:22 AM PST by The Mayor (Through prayer, finite man draws upon the power of the infinite God.)
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