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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread) October 29, 2003
Various | October 29, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/28/2003 10:00:43 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 1 - October 29, 2003)

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Links to Previous Threads ( roughly from older to more current):

Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer: | August 28, 2003

TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO CALLING ALL FREEPERS Pt2 Disabled FL woman given Death Sentence by FL Courts | Posted 09-21-03

TERRI SCHIAVO TO DIE IN ATTORNEY'S "DEATH FACTORY": SUNCOAST HOSPICE BOSS IS GEORGE FELOS... | Posted 11-24-02

Florida Woman to Be Allowed to Die Despite Family's Wishes | Posted 8/05/03

Terri (Schiavo) Hospitalized The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation | Posted 8-15-03

JUSTICE IN AMERICA | Posted 8-20-03

Florida Supreme Court Denies Hearing in Euthanasia Case |Posted 8-23-03

Legal setbacks clear way for Schiavo starvation | Posted 8-25-03

Florida governor asks judge to delay removal of woman's feeding tube ) | 8-26-03

Florida Governor Asks Judge to Delay Removal of Woman's Feeding Tube | 8-26-03

Attorney: Jeb Bush letter only a 'good first step' | August 28, 2003 |

'Exit protocol' for brain-disabled woman? (Breaking - Schiavo) | Aug. 29, 2003 |

Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,' Caregivers Claim (Terri Schiavo) | Posted 9/03/03

Disabled woman would cry "help me" caregivers claim | 9/3/03

Another 9-11 date with death: Jane Chastain decries agonizing death planned for Terri Schiavo | Posted 9-4-03

AnnaZ's Interview w/ Bob Schindler, Jr. - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's brother [Rough Transcript] | Posted 10-6-03

Operation Jell-O Freep for Terri Schiavo | Posted 9-7-03

Enforcing the "Right to Die":The Case of Terri Schiavo Life Issues ^ | Posted 9-7-03

Schiavo's Date with Death | Posted 9-8-03

Court guardian to decide man's fate | Posted 9-8-03

Terri Schiavo’s Life and Death | Posted 9-16-03

Conflict of Interest Charged in Florida Euthanasia Case | Posted 9-17-03

Too thin a line between life, death for Schiavo | Posted 9-17-03

Judge Sets Date To End Life Support | Posted 9-18-03

Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Story on Bill O' Reilly NOW| Posted 9-18-03

Let Schiavo fade away, as so many others do | Posted 9-25-03

Hate Mail, Threats Go to Man With Judge's Name (Terri Shiavo case) | Posted 9-30-03

Florida AG intervenes in Schiavo lawsuit [Crist CHOOSES DEATH. What "Right to refuse" for Terri?] | 10-4-03

Fight over Florida woman's fate |10-5-03

Sign Freep For Terri | Posted 10-5-03

Jeb Bush steps in for Schindler-Schiavo | Posted 10-7-03

No Mercy in Florida| Posted 10-11-03

Sean Hannity Steps In: Terri Schindler Case (New Video) | Posted 10-13-03

Coast to Coast AM Live Thread (Terri Schindler Schiavo and "Slippery Slope") | Posted 10-14-03

Comatose woman will stop being fed (CNN lies, Terry not in a coma) | Posted 10-15-03

Comatose Woman's Feeding Tube Removed (Fox news repeats AP's lie) | Posted 10-15-03

Sign this petition NOW! Help save Terri and let your voices be heard! | Posted 10-16-03

G.G Liddy discussing Terri Schiavo now (Call him) | Posted 10-16-03

Feeding Tube Removed From Comatose Woman | Posted 10-16-03

Feeding Tubes For Andrea Yates, But Not Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-16-03

TERRI SCHIAVO TO DIE IN ATTORNEY'S "DEATH FACTORY"? SUNCOAST HOSPICE BOSS WAS GEORGE FELOS... | Posted 10-16-03

Prosecutor Delivers Emergency Letters To Governor Bush in Terri Schiavo Case [Thomas More Center] | Posted 10-16-03

Medical Experts Contend Schiavo Won't `Feel A Thing' | Posted 10-16-03

Local Doctor Plays Part in Schiavo Case | 10/16/03

Terri Schiavo Vigil Report | Posted 10-16-03

SUICIDE; RIGHT TO DIE; EUTHANASIA | Posted 10-16-03

Jeb Bush Wimping Out in Schiavo Case?| Posted 10-17-03

Judge denies last ditch effort by Schiavo's parents | Posted 10-17-03

Judge Again Refuses to Save Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-17-03

TERRI SCHIAVO - UPDATE JUDICIAL WATCYH | Posted 10-17-03

FREEP JEB BUSH for TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO | Posted 10-17-03

Abuse report filed for Terri Schiavo (Judicial Watch and Klayman Jump In) | Posted 10-18-03

Judicial Watch Offers Jeb Bush Legal Basis to Save Terri | Posted 10-18-03

Auschwitz in America | Posted 10-18-03

Contrary to AP, Terri Schiavo is not comatose or vegatative | Posted 10-18-03

Judge orders death without trial by jury!| Posted 10-18-03

The war for Terri Schiavo's life- some links| Posted 10-18-03

Whose Life Is It? | Posted 10-19-03

Vigil Sites for Terri Schindler Schiavo | Posted 10-19-03

Open Letter to Gov Jeb Bush + Pix from Terri Schiavo's Vigil | Posted 10-19-03

Schiavo Case Could Cause Change In Law | Posted 10-19-03

Speaker of the House, Johnnie Byrd to introduce “Terri’s Bill” | Posted on 10-19-03

Mother, brother visit Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-19-03

Mother, brother visit Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-19-03

Will 'Terri's Bill'save her life now | Posted 10-19-03

LIVE FROM TERRI'S VIGIL - EMERGENCY - LEGISLATIVE SESSION - CALL FLORIDA REPS NOW!! | Posted 10-19-03

Schiavo life fight waged in Tampa court, state capitol | Posted 10-20-03

It is NOW Time for CRIMINAL PROSICUTION for Michael Schiavo | Posted 10-20-03

Sacrament Pits Family Against Hospice [Terri Schiavo] | Posted 10-20-03

Prevent Florida State Senator James King From Blocking Terr's Law |Posted 10-20-03

TERRI SCHIAVO WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? | Posted 10-20-03

Terri Legislation Now!! | Posted on 10-20-03

EUTHANASIA WORLD | Posted 10-17-03

Legislature May Act To Save Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-20-03

FAMILIES WHO DEMAND INAPPROPRIATE MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR MORIBUND PATIENTS | Posted 10-30-03

Florida police refuse to let dying comatose woman have holy communion (Terri Schiavo) | Posted 10-20-03

Commentary: When a feeding tube borders on the barbaric | May 28, 1997 | Posted 10-20-03

Senate panel approves bill to let Bush intervene in Schiavo case with 10-2 Vote |Posted 10-21-03

Gov. Bush calls special session over Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-20-03

UPDATES FROM TERRI'S VIGIL - 10/21 - FREEPER THANKS| Posted 10-21-03

FREEP: Should the feeding tube be re-inserted into Terri Schiavo? (Bill OReilly Poll) | Posted 10-21-03

Saving Terri Schiavo (A MUST READ!!) | Posted 10-21-03

Terry Schiavo Executive Order Governor's Office (email) | Posted 10-21-03

[Florida] Senate Panel Approves Schiavo Bill | Posted on 10-21-03

FREEP THIS POLL(AOL Members): Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die? | Posted 10-22-03

Winners and Losers in the Terri Schindler Affair | Posted 10-22-03

Koppel, Nightline and Schiavo: Left Wing Priest Criticizes Florida's Intervention | Posted 10-21-03

FReep CNN to tell them to correct Terri Schiavo question ("brain damaged" not "comatose") | Posted 10-22-03

Public Statement of the Schindler Family in Response to the Statement of Michael Schiavo | Posted 10/22/03

Million Mother Hens for Terri - Prayer Thread | Posted 10-22-03

complaint filed today with AG Ashcroft RE: Theresa Maria Schiavo | Posted 10-21-03 |

TERRI IS NOW BEING RE-HYDRATED. WE DID IT! BUT PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRAY, E-MAIL | Posted on 10-21-03

Terri Schiavo Begins Receiving Fluids and Hospital Care - (Current Status Alert!) | Posted 10-22-03

TERRI SCHIAVO MISSING - REMOVED FROM HOSPITAL W/O FAMILY'S CONSENT [Update: She's back at Hospice]| Posted 10-22-03

What if There Is Something Going On in There? - (Terri Shiavo - erring to the side of caution) | Posted 10-22-03

Agency to probe alleged spousal abuse of brain damaged woman | Posted 10-22-03

URGENT - ACTION NEEDED AT ONCE for Terri Schiavo| Posted 10-22-03

Dobson Speaks Out About Terri Schiavo | Posted 10-22-03

Affidavit of Carla Iyer, nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo from April 1995 to July 1996| Posted 10-23-03

To Restore Religious Freedoms. | Posted 10-23-03

Schiavo Law Puts Heat On Politics | Posted 10-23-03

Senate President Orders District Offices To Offer Living Wills | Posted 10-23-03

Woman's Sustaining Care Resumed- But Experts Say No Hope Exists For Her Recovery | Posted 10-23-03

THE FIGHT TO SAVE TERRI SCHIAVO - Chris Ferrara's Legal Brief for Terri | Posted 10-23-03

Attorney: Terri Schiavo Again Being Fed Through Tube | Posted 10-23-03

Scorning the Courts in Florida (NY Times backs killing Schiavo)| Posted 10-23-03

Governor knows best (Bush slam on Schiavo)| Posted 10-23-03

Questions swirl around husband of brain-damaged Florida woman| Posted 10-23-03

Terry Schiavo: Another Case of Convenience v. Compassion |Posted 10-23-03

The Battle for Terri - How Bush's Orders Were Carried Out| Posted 10-24-03

Father: Brain-damaged daughter responsive | Posted 10-24-03

Michael Schiavo Larry King Live | Posted 10-24-03

LIST OF TERRI SCHIAVO's RIGHTS. PASS IT ON!!! | Posted 10-24-03

Doctors defend life for Schiavo | Posted 10-26-03

Burden of Proof: The Killing of Terri Schiavo| Posted 10-25-03

Media 'getting it wrong' on Terri Schiavo story | Posted 10-25-03

Is Terri Schiavo Dead? Eat, drink, and vegetate| Posted 10-25-03

NEWS ABOUT TERRI SCHIAVO | Posted on 10-25-03

ACLU to enter Schiavo legal fight | Oct. 25, 2003 | Posted 10-26-03

Bobby Schindler (Terri's brother) on Geraldo tonight | Posted on 10-26-03

Advocacy Center--State of Florida--Press Release [Schiavo Abuse Investigation] | Posted 10-26-03

The Martyrdom of Terri Schiavo | Posted on 10-26-03

ACLU Indignation over Landslide of Terri Schiavo Support | Posted 10-26-03

New Terri Schiavo update & request for information |Posted on 10-26-03

Terri Schindler-Schiavo: Basic Terri - a synopsis of info | Posted on 10-26-03

Husband Michael Schiavo to Do Some Image-Polishing - FROM THE FRONT LINES AT VIGIL | Posted 10-26-03

Judge in Life or Death Case Considered Conservative, Compassionate (Terri Schiavo Case) | Posted on 10-26-03

The essence of life is how we live it, not for how long. | Posted 10-26-03

A Fate Worse Than Death in Florida | Posted 10-27-03

Terri- A sweet voice-crying deep within. | Posted 10-27-2003

Anyone see Mr. Schindler on Hannity and Colmes just now? | Posted 10-27-03

Geraldo Show, At Large, Guest Attorneys Both Agree, Terri Should Live | Posted 10-26-03

Husband (Michael Schiavo) in Right-To-Die Case Rips Parents | Posted 10-27-03

Agency to probe alleged spousal abuse of Terri Schiavo | Posted on 10-27-03

Continuation for Request of Intervention on behalf of Terri Schiavo Posted 10-27-03

Doctor Says Schiavo Likely Victim of 'Some Kind of Trauma' | Posted 10-28-03

Schindler's attorney Pat Anderson to appear on Fox News with reaction to Michael on Larry King |Posted 10-28-03


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To: Aliska
"You comment that nobody should be able to comment on this case unless they are the Husband, the doctors and the courts, not voters,"

I thought at first when I read your post that you thought I said this.

I just wanted to make sure everyone realized you were quoting from another source.
241 posted on 10/29/2003 5:39:14 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: lonevoice
Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010787/posts

Thanks for your link.

I don't understand how anyone thinks that the legislature overrode a constitutional right. When did we as a country allow one judge to kill someone because a spouse gives hearsay evidence years after the fact? The constitutional right being violated is Terri's fundamental right to life. The Americans with Disabilites Act was suppose to protect those rights and the state of Florida decided to override those rights.
242 posted on 10/29/2003 5:42:26 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Graymatter; Saundra Duffy
"Terri's fate is OUR fate."

Sandra is right. You nailed it.

243 posted on 10/29/2003 5:49:09 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: sweetliberty
An excerpt from aol news 10-29-03-----Florida courts have repeatedly affirmed Michael Schiavo's legal right to remove his wife's feeding tube. The state Supreme Court has twice refused to hear the case; the U.S. Supreme Court has also refused to hear it.---End quote

Maybe they will chage their minds, if a lot of us contact them.

Hon. Charles T. Wells Cheif Justice
Hon. Harry Lee Anstead
Hon. Barbara J. Pariente
Hon. R. Fred Lewis
Hon. Peggy A. Quince
Hon. Raoul G, Cantero, III
Hon. Kenneth B. Bell

supremecourt@flcourts.org

Supreme Court of Florida
500 So. Duvall Street
Talahasse, FL 32399
244 posted on 10/29/2003 6:00:49 PM PST by Ahnya
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To: cyn
>>was this transcript posted?

No, I never thought of that since I didn't tape it and don't
pay to get CNN. Next time I update, I'll add a link to the
LKL interview with appropriate (barf alert)
245 posted on 10/29/2003 6:05:04 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FR_addict
"I don't understand how anyone thinks the legislature overrode a constitutional right. When did we as a country allow one judge to kill someone because a spouse gives hearsay evidence years after the fact? The constitutional right being violated is Terri's fundamental right to life. The Americans with Disabilities Act was supposed to protect those rights and the state of Florida decides to override those rights."

BUMP

246 posted on 10/29/2003 6:11:06 PM PST by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democratic party. Save the USA-Vote a democrat out of offic)
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To: All
Interesting site someone sent me a link to:


http://www.electricmedia.net/sitesforlife/headlines.html
247 posted on 10/29/2003 6:13:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Krodg
That's an interesting point; I'd not thought about him having to pay alimony. It's not a sticking point in the deal for me. Just let him be GONE already, out of her life, out of our lives!

How much more must Terri's family feel that way after all these years of mental abuse.

Substantiation of mental abuse to her family, one example -- Michael kept Terri's family from visiting her at the hospital last Tues PM and all day Weds. Then finally they're told they're allowed to visit her, go in to see her . . . and are told by hosp. staff, "She's not here; we don't know where she is . . ." The family had no idea where Terri was, what condition she was in, was she even alive?

BTW, the idea of collecting from Terri's supporters to pay Michael off was further refined here on FR to include sending him to a tropical island without extradition to US. After all I've seen & read that it might need to be a bigger island, since others are complicit in the injustice against Terri -- imho, of course. Just a matter of time -- I'm hoping and praying!

248 posted on 10/29/2003 6:24:59 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Saundra Duffy; floriduh voter
Would that be a 'messy breakup' like he had from Terri?

Jodi better be thinking of this! Is he checking her odometer yet? Calling her fat, calling her on the phone & making her cry like he did Terri? Disciplining their little one, trying to potty train her?

Hey, did you see where felos said michael drives a early 90's car with broken A/C? lol, yeah, right.
249 posted on 10/29/2003 6:30:00 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn; MeeknMing; dandelion
TEXANS FOR TERRI. This Texas On Line Newspaper seems to think that Terri is in purgatory. If you'd like to comment in their feedback forum, a Terri supporter has already posted there.

http://www.ntdaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/10/28/3f9ded49b7a8b

IS THERE A TEXAS PING LIST?

I'm posting stuff that's being brought to my attention. All ideas are optional. Hi, friends. FV

250 posted on 10/29/2003 6:32:20 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Republic
Woo hoo! Compassionate Conservatism on steroids.
251 posted on 10/29/2003 6:34:29 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: fly_so_free; Ahnya; cyn
Nice post! I agree. This is based on REMEMBERED YEARS LATER heresay evidence, to boot! And when one considers all of the INFORMATION and AFFIDAVITS that this judge had thrown out...it tears your HEART out that the Schindlers have been subjected to this hell for so long. I hate that. So much.

Ahnya-I have twice talked to a man who is on the executive board for Florida Hospice. His name is Mike Bell. I believe he is a VP in charge of community relations, or media, whatever. Not sure.

I had questions about why Terri had been allowed to fester in a Hospice where her diagnosis did not fit the Hospice foundations stated parameters for patient acceptance.Really got no good answer.

I am wondering...if HE is related to the Supreme Court Judge...(tin foil hat time) BECAUSE that would indicate a conflict of interest.

It is my believe that a Federal Investigation of the Hospice Assc of Florida and maybe even a wider net-maybe nationally-needs to be done.

The connections between Woodside Hospice, and Judge Greer, and Lenderman (bench buddy) and Felos is getting to much to swallow. Worse, if they all have info on each other that could ruin careers-this becomes a cover your ass judgement against terri that crys out for justice.

I very much want to email Judge Greer with some pointed questions...and now have to remember where his court email address is located..yikes! This is getting dirtier by the hour.

Cyn, babe, from your hours at the vigil you wrote on this thread that you heard about the ER personal, when Terri was first admitted after her injury, concerned about abuse and that the police were notified and immediately asked Bob Schindler, father, if he suspected any foul play. To which he answered NO at the time...like most people would if they were in shock and unaware.

Sociopaths are the best liars in the world...and MS is a pro!

I wonder if there are any affidavits from the ER personel as to this aspect, and what caused their concern, and if not, would it be possible to uncover their names somehow and motivate them to come forward...because...this story you repeated here, granted heresay right now, tells me the instruments in the ER room did not track heart attack symtoms.

252 posted on 10/29/2003 6:35:19 PM PST by Republic
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To: Aliska
6. Asked Christopher Reeve's organization about three or four times for help and he is too busy with other projects. "His plate rather full with his pursuits."

Can we FReep him? Anyone have an email addy for contacting him?

253 posted on 10/29/2003 6:36:04 PM PST by trussell (PRAYER WORKS!!)
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To: cyn
"....I'd love to be able to rest easier . . ."

Now THAT would be a fine moment....a beautiful thought from your pen to God's ears.

254 posted on 10/29/2003 6:40:26 PM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: trussell
Can we FReep him? Anyone have an email addy for contacting him?

I would rather not. It could backfire in his case.

Without digging around on the net, I don't have any info on him, but he probably has several websites.

255 posted on 10/29/2003 6:40:36 PM PST by Aliska
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To: pc93
The Advocacy Center is actively investigating the case. They are the ones with the authority to do so.

Advocacy Center--State of Florida--Press Release [Schiavo Abuse Investigation]

"Since the initial withdrawal of hydration and nourishment from Terri Schiavo on Wednesday October 15, 2003 The Advocacy Center has received numerous complaints of possible neglect concerning Ms. Schiavo. Additionally we have received reports that there may have been a change in circumstance regarding Ms. Schiavo’s condition since the last full review in State Court.

It is The Advocacy Center’s federal mandate (pursuant to 29 U.S.C. §794(a) (doc 1) and 42 U.S.C.§1504 3(a)(2)(B) as the designated Protection and Advocacy Agency for the State of Florida to investigate complaints of abuse and/or neglect against persons with disabilities.

The Center is presently making demands in order to acquire reports and records necessary to undertake a thorough and impartial investigation of complaints we have received.

In order to preserve the integrity of our investigation during its pendency no further statement will be made to the Press."


256 posted on 10/29/2003 6:40:58 PM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: oreolady
Michael Schiavo did a statement at tbo.com. He stated "This is bigger than Terri and me."
257 posted on 10/29/2003 6:41:34 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: floriduh voter
LOL---Nah----but I did happen to break out a great glass of Merlot and destroyed my goal for the day-finishing raking the leaves in the front yard! LOL It was....that post...shall we say...immediate and way over the top...but there you have it, I am what I am! LOL
258 posted on 10/29/2003 6:41:37 PM PST by Republic
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To: Aliska
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1009193/posts

have you read what's been sent to Ashcroft?
259 posted on 10/29/2003 6:42:15 PM PST by tutstar
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To: A-plus
We see some of it here, though not as much as that site. This is FR afterall. : )

These people are either just plain ignorant or evil. Some are unable to wrap their minds around the facts and issues at stake. Some don't care to. The one's who don't understand are the one's we can change.

So many still just accept the short snippets they are told by the media, a right-to-die case. They dehumanize Terri because of her condition. It's painful to empathize with Terri and easier to discredit her existence by telling themselves that she's merely a 'vegetable'. Some just are cold and callous.

Disabled groups all over should be outraged, as should women's rights groups. Like that'll ever happen. How many times have you read other's thoughts that she should be killed because she's useless? That the money spent on her should be put to better use, on other, better people I suppose. Or the thought that because she's married, the husband basically owns her. Shameful.

We are constantly barraged with arguments that Terri will never recover and that her condition was self-inflicted. We are called ghouls for fighting for her life, called this by people who want to see another starved to death. The pro-death side is throwing around all manner of deceit. It's an attempt to divert attention from the heart of the matter, does a disability render a person less than human in the eyes of the state?

I'm still in shock that the judge ever allowed Felos to be council for Terri. He has an obvious conflict of interest. He's seriously into euthanasia, his personal agenda should squarely place him outside of Terri's best interests. He's mentioned a book on the case, in which his monetary outlook is much brighter should he win by having Terri killed. He was on the board of the hospice that benefits by having her killed at their business. Then we come to his character. Downing planes with his mind, telepathically discerning that the Browning woman wanted to die, making the implication that Terri may have done the same, etc. I can't decide if I think he's just a don't-care-for-the-sanctity-of-life leftist kook, or a would-be Bundy who gets off on his power to have the state do his bidding.

(Sorry for the rambling, been a loooong day.)
260 posted on 10/29/2003 6:42:38 PM PST by kenth (Terri is human. Her life is no less valuable than yours or mine.)
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