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Southern California Fires -- Live Thread 10/29

Posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:04 PM PST by lainie

Cal Fire Maps

http://wildfire.cr.usgs.gov/ca_geomac/viewer.htm

http://www.incidentcontrol.com

http://www.firedetect.ssd.nesdis.noaa.gov/Run.htm

Live online scanner feeds for fire, cops, CDF, air attack

http://www.live365.com/stations/kb6jag

FYI, this one gives pop ups if you use it.

No pop ups on this feed

http://www.police-scanner.info/livescan.htm

Another live scanner feed.

Click on Big Bear Feed

http://www.compucations.com/nuke/html/modules.php?name=LiveScanners

another live feed for socal, Verdugo Fire Communications Center

http://verdugo.ci.glendale.ca.us/radio.html

Simi Valley fire scanner

http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=scanner&numresult=100&x=34&y=9

http://209.153.152.2:8888 lots of scanner chatter in Ventura county

CHP Dispatch

http://cad.chp.ca.gov/

CDF AIR CHANNELS

Red - 151.220 - Air to ground units Blue - 151.280 - Air to air Green - 151.295 - Air to air Yellow - 151.310 - Air to air Victor - 122.925 AM - Air to air for contract helicopters

List of channels for SoCal

http://www.qsl.net/ke6alv/

Get a copy of Police call for when you're mobile.

http://www.policecall.com/

San Bernardino National Forest

171.475 mhz and 172.225

123.9750 National Air Tanker Base Freq. 135.9750 Air ops 151.2200 CDF Red Air to Ground 151.2650 CDF Region 151.3100 CDF Air Tactics 6 151.3550 CDF Command Net 1 154.2650 OES White Fire 2 154.2800 OES White Fire 1 154.2950 OES White Fire 3 164.1250 Fire Camp Service Net 166.6125 "Command" Fontana area 166.8500 Air attack 167.9500 BLM Air to Ground 168.0500 NIFC Tac 1 168.0750 NIFC Tac 3 168.200 NIFC Tac 2 (Crew Net) 168.2500 BLM? "Command" 168.4000 BLM "Command" 168.6000 NIFC Tac 3 168.6250 Air Guard 169.1250 Calif. Fire Travel Net 169.0625 vehicle mechanics? 170.0000 Air to Ground Region 5 173.9125 Region 5 Tac 4 173.9625 Region 5 Tac 5 173.9875 Region 5 Tac 6 415.5500 National Air channel

HAM

145.220

Los Angeles Area

KNBC: http://www.nbc4.tv

KABC: http://www.abc7.com

KCBS: http://www.cbs2.com

KTTV: http://www.fox11la.com

KCAL: http://www.kcal.com

Good list of SoCal television stations and links to their websites:

http://newslink.org/catele.html

San Diego

http://nbcsandiego.feedroom.com/?fr_story=af0368e01c0323615f2e6f30970885b317fe905c

http://www.kogo.com/streaming.html

List of online TV and Newspapers in Ca.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/np/ca.htm

2 posted on 10/27/2003 9:18 PM PST by spectr17


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; socalfires; wildfire
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To: I'll be your Huckleberry
Homes Threatened near Running Springs

RUNNING SPRINGS — Fires are burning to the east and west of Highway 330 and threatening homes in the Enchanted Forest Estates neighborhood, located south of Running Springs and along the highway.
Twenty-five fire engines have been sent to help protect homes in the neighborhood that's a mix of modest and upscale homes.

The engines are scattered throughout the community. Firefighters are working to wet down vegetation and cover homes with foam.

Firefighers are prepared to write off portions of the neighborhood in the event of flames. They are using a map to plot which houses could be saved and which could be abandoned.


1,801 posted on 10/29/2003 4:30:47 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: I'll be your Huckleberry
See the group of photos I posted in #1,780. There's a pic from Running Springs among them. Posted pics from a wide range of areas just to try to give people who aren't from So. Cal. a sense of the vast scale of this emergency.
1,802 posted on 10/29/2003 4:31:18 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: nicmarlo
Vista is just to the interior of Oceanside....used to use the Vista road to get to the back gate of Camp Pendleton.
1,803 posted on 10/29/2003 4:31:20 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Credito Facil !)
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To: Merovingian
interesting, thanks,
1,804 posted on 10/29/2003 4:32:25 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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To: nicmarlo
They are using a map to plot which houses could be saved and which could be abandoned.

In the business those are called "winners" and "losers."

1,805 posted on 10/29/2003 4:32:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: nicmarlo
Scanner: something about a vehicle approaching a road block on 38, turning around and speeding back up hill. Anyone else hear that one?
1,806 posted on 10/29/2003 4:32:33 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: al baby
lol, yes I am talking about that Deer. I am hoping it lived along with thousands of others. I don't mind hunters, but I hate rampant, senseless destruction. I've pretended it made it, all day.
1,807 posted on 10/29/2003 4:32:43 PM PST by Letitring (.)
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To: All
Early I heard the Cliffhanger Restaurant on Rim of the World Highway survived almost unscathed, everything around it burned. Maybe someone around here has been there before.
1,808 posted on 10/29/2003 4:33:42 PM PST by wolficatZ (___><))))*>____\0/____/|____"flipper to the rescue...")
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KNBC at Arrowhead, north side of the SB mtns.. and some fire is burning down into the high desert
1,809 posted on 10/29/2003 4:34:08 PM PST by lainie
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Incident: 0010 Type: Structure or Grass Fire
Location: DESCANSO / JULIAN
Zoom Map: Click Here Info as of: 10/29/2003 4:33:44 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
4:30PM - PER S3, FIRE COMING BY AT LAKE HENSHAW S/SIDE OF 76 EVEN W/E GRADE FOR INFO/E WINDS
1,810 posted on 10/29/2003 4:34:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 1150 Type: Report of Fire
Location: WB SR210 AT DAY CREEK BLVD (Rancho Cucamonga area)
Zoom Map: 573 4F
Info as of: 10/29/2003 4:34:41 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
4:32PM - RP ADVS BRUSH FIRE IN FOOTHILL JNO 210
1,811 posted on 10/29/2003 4:35:17 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Have been hearing comms about people who have been staying in there house in arrowhead...elderly who wouldnt leave...

1,812 posted on 10/29/2003 4:35:42 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: nicmarlo
Where are you getting that information - what is the URL - - I have relatives that live there - thanks
1,813 posted on 10/29/2003 4:36:57 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: lainie
Fire is playing with burning into Apple Valley, a major flank of fire is splitting into two. Cedar Glen is in big danger
1,814 posted on 10/29/2003 4:37:01 PM PST by lainie
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0004 Type: Lane Closure Location: INLAND/EAST SAN GABRIEL VALLEY
Zoom Map: Click Here
Info as of: 10/29/2003 4:36:39 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
3:48PM - SUMMIT VALLEY RD AT HESPERIA AIRPORT
3:48PM - SR 173 AT LAKE ARROWHEAD ROAD
3:47PM - LYTLE CREEK OPEN TO RESIDENTS ONLY WITH PROPER ID
3:45PM - SR 138 FRM CREST LINE CLOSED TO WB TRAFFIC
3:43PM - CURRENT CLOSEURE LIST SR 18 WATERMAN AVE N/40TH
1,815 posted on 10/29/2003 4:37:30 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0001 Type: Lane Closure
Location: SOUTHERN DIVISION AREA
Zoom Map: Click Here
Info as of: 10/29/2003 4:37:40 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
4:04PM - PER ERC, I5 NB/SB OPEN W/OUT ESCORTS
2:55PM - NB/SB I5 BETWEEN SR14 AND SR126 OPENING// CHP RUNNING ESCORT
1:00PM - NB I-5 DETOUR- NB I-5 TO NB SR-14 EXIT SAN FERNANDO RD TO MAGIC MOUNTAIN PKWY TO THE OLD ROAD NB BACK TO I-5
12:07PM - SB I-5 CLOSED AT SR-126 DETOUR FOR SB TRAFFIC-126 TO SB US-101
1,816 posted on 10/29/2003 4:38:15 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: spectr17
Very welcome, following your great work from East coast, sending you our very best hopes. Words are just no good in the face of this.
1,817 posted on 10/29/2003 4:39:05 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: lainie
Yes, they have been showing Cedar Glen on the news for a while now...houses burning near Hook Creek Road..

1,818 posted on 10/29/2003 4:39:17 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: wolficatZ
Early I heard the Cliffhanger Restaurant on Rim of the World Highway survived almost unscathed, everything around it burned. Maybe someone around here has been there before.

I used to eat or have a drink there before it closed. Landmark place. Pics of all the celebs all over that had stopped there.

DEcent food.

Awesome view.

Not the place to be when it starts shaking, right onm edge of mtn.

1,819 posted on 10/29/2003 4:39:53 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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I haven't been following this story really hard, just trying to keep up. Here's a story I just found though. It doesn't sound good. How far are all these fires from any "big" cities?

California firefighters warn of "apocalyptic" threat

1,820 posted on 10/29/2003 4:40:08 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: nicmarlo
I have it up & running again...but don't know the question someone asked.
1,821 posted on 10/29/2003 4:40:23 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Give God a chance!)
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0954 Type: Lane Closure
Location: INLAND
Zoom Map: 575 1H
Info as of: 10/29/2003 4:39:41 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
3:34PM - CORRECTION ON THE DATE,,,IT SHOULD READ 10-25-03, NOT 10-20-03
3:28PM - ****THE FOLLOWING AREAS HAVE BEEN OR ARE BEING EVACUATED AS OF 10-20-03**** LUCERNE VALLEY, OAK HILL, HESPERIA SOUTH OF RANCHERO, FOREST FALLS, BIG BEAR, ANGELES OAK, BLUE JAY, CRESTLINE, ARROWBEAR, ARROWHEAD, EAST HIGHLANDS RANCH, TWIN PEAKS, RUNNING SPRINGS, RIM FOREST, LYTLE CREEK (OPEN TO RESIDENTS ONLY, WITH ID)
3:20PM - SUMMIT VALLEY RD AT HESPERIA AIRPORT
3:20PM - SR 173 AT LAKE ARROWHEAD ROAD
3:17PM - SR 18 W/B AT RIM FOREST
3:15PM - SR 138 AT SAW PIT
3:15PM - SR 189 AT SR 18 (CLIFF HANGER RESTAURANT/LAKE GREGORY)
3:14PM - LYTLE CREEK OPEN TO RESIDENTS ONLY WITH PROPER ID
3:14PM - SR 138 E/B AND W/B AT I-15
3:13PM - GLEN HELEN PARKWAY AT I-15 AND KENWOOD ON/OFFS
3:13PM - SR 138 FROM CRESTLINE CLOSED TO WB TRAFFIC
3:12PM - SR 330 AT SR 30
3:12PM - SR 330 AT LIVE OAK
3:12PM - SR 189 AT GRASS VALLEY (5 POINTS)
3:11PM - SR 173 AT SR 138
3:11PM - SR 138 AT SR 18
3:11PM - SR 38 AT BRYANT
3:09PM - SR 18 AT MITSUBISHI PLANT
3:09PM - SR 18 AT BIG BEAR DAM
3:08PM - SR 18 AT SANTA S VILLAGE
3:08PM - SR 18 (WATERMAN AVE) N/40TH
3:07PM - CURRENT CLOSURE LIST
1,822 posted on 10/29/2003 4:40:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Brad's Gramma
I thought the spotted owls had moved to KMart signs for their nests.
1,823 posted on 10/29/2003 4:41:31 PM PST by mathluv
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To: nicmarlo
I've been looking for Oceanside info... I can't find a thing.
1,824 posted on 10/29/2003 4:41:35 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Give God a chance!)
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To: nicmarlo
Incident: 0594 Type: Traffic Advisory
Location: SB I15 AT POMERADO RD
Zoom Map: 1229 1G
Info as of: 10/29/2003 4:41:37 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
3:42PM - 4 NAVY HELOS, 1 FD HELO AND ASTREA DOING WATER DROPS NB CORNER MIRAMAR RD AND 15 FOR HOT SPOTS, GROUND CREW ALSO IN AREA
1,825 posted on 10/29/2003 4:42:25 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: BurbankKarl
man, a tanker coming in to land without a rudder....

some heroes up there....
1,826 posted on 10/29/2003 4:43:33 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Brad's Gramma
I've been looking for Oceanside info... I can't find a thing.

Don't worry - no fires there - my parents live in Cardiff a few miles south - they have had no problems at all except for ash fall.

1,827 posted on 10/29/2003 4:44:17 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: spectr17
I finally sucked it up and paid for the Live365 subscription so I could listen to the scanner.

I have been away from the thread today -- you okay?

1,828 posted on 10/29/2003 4:44:23 PM PST by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: SassNClass
http://www.signonsandiego.com/forums/upload/forumdisplay.php?s=74e9284b8849bbbe59a9f4667a45df44&forumid=125


Go here and look around.
1,829 posted on 10/29/2003 4:44:27 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Give God a chance!)
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To: knak
knak, your link doesn't work. What's the condensed version?
1,830 posted on 10/29/2003 4:44:37 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nicmarlo
"Can anyone tell me if one of the fires burning around Oceanside area is in the area of Vista"

I'm in Oceanside and there aren't any fires even close to here or Vista.
1,831 posted on 10/29/2003 4:44:47 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: BurbankKarl
sometimes hero and crazy are closely linked :)
1,832 posted on 10/29/2003 4:44:50 PM PST by lainie
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To: knak
your link doesn't work try again
1,833 posted on 10/29/2003 4:45:13 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: knak
That link has been pulled, what did it say?
1,834 posted on 10/29/2003 4:45:15 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: knak
You link was not posted right. Please repost.
1,835 posted on 10/29/2003 4:45:51 PM PST by Revel
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To: BurbankKarl
a tanker coming in to land without a rudder...

I thought that's what he said. And he just calmly says he'll be out of service when he lands.

Dear God...

1,836 posted on 10/29/2003 4:46:05 PM PST by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: nicmarlo
3:42PM - 4 NAVY HELOS, 1 FD HELO AND ASTREA DOING WATER DROPS NB CORNER MIRAMAR RD AND 15 FOR HOT SPOTS, GROUND CREW ALSO IN AREA

My take is that this is "practice" for later...

1,837 posted on 10/29/2003 4:46:28 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: dalereed; SassNClass
I'm in Oceanside and there aren't any fires even close to here or Vista.

Thanks much for your answer, dalereed. My aunt and uncle and cousins live out there.

1,838 posted on 10/29/2003 4:46:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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scanner= 'These fires are real squirrely when they go over the north side in these strong onshore winds..it could go anywhere'
1,839 posted on 10/29/2003 4:47:12 PM PST by lainie
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To: Fitzcarraldo; nicmarlo
Thanks. Nic, see #1827
1,840 posted on 10/29/2003 4:47:32 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Give God a chance!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Thanks, BG; dalereed said nothing's going on out there....gee, I find that amazing. Every place my family is living is right around, but not in, the fires. I thank God my family's okay. I'm sorry for those who's are not.
1,841 posted on 10/29/2003 4:47:57 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: All
don't know why it didn't work, here's the story

California firefighters warn of "apocalyptic" threat

30.10.2003 - 00:00
By Gina Keating

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - California fire officials have warned that one of the biggest of the wildfires they are fighting could be on the verge of taking an "apocalyptic" turn if it spreads to "a deadline" of diseased and highly flammable trees in the San Bernardino Mountains.

The California Department of Forestry has "maxed out" its resources to keep the rampaging blazes from reaching beetle-killed trees surrounding mountain towns in San Bernardino County, the agency's director Andrea Tuttle told reporters on Wednesday.

There are 400,000 acres (161,900 hectares) of dead and diseased trees in San Bernardino and San Diego Counties, Tuttle said.

"When the fire gets into diseased trees the fire will be of biblical proportions," Tuttle said. Since the trees are dead, they provide perfect fuel for the fires and would produce an intensity of heat and flame not so far seen in the week old battle.

"We are worried. We are trying to hold the fire out of that area, but if it does go up it will be of epic proportions. We will not have seen a conflagration of those proportions once it gets started," she said.

Meanwhile, a Los Angeles County blaze that firefighters had managed to tamp down overnight sprang up ahead of strengthening ocean gusts on Wednesday afternoon, leapt Interstate 5 and made a run for a neighbourhood of expensive homes.

Fifty-foot (16 metre) high flames came within feet of homes in the Stevenson Ranch in Los Angeles, and police warned residents and news crews to be prepared to evacuate quickly. Firefighting aircraft dove through thick smoke to aggressively bombard the so-called Simi Valley fire with water and retardant as strong winds buffeted the aircraft.

NINE MAJOR FIRES

Los Angeles County Fire Capt. Mark Savage said about 50 fire engines were positioned throughout Stevenson Ranch to protect the structures. "We are putting in place the plan we have had the whole time: defending the structures as (the fire) bumps into the foothill area," Savage said.

The fires have blackened an area nearly the size of the U.S. state of Rhode Island -- over the course of a week and incinerated 2,000 homes, destroying entire suburban neighbourhoods in hours.

Officials said that at least 18 people have died in one of the state's worst-ever wildfire seasons and grimly predicted that more charred bodies would be uncovered when the flames were finally doused and rescue workers moved in.

More than 12,000 firefighters from across California and the western states have been deployed at nine major fires and eight smaller offshoots that have burned more than 600,000 acres (242,800 hectares) from north of Los Angeles to the U.S.-Mexico border, Tuttle said.

She added that the biggest worry remained the so-called Old Fire, which on Wednesday jumped a highway that firefighters hoped would act as a brake and marched through the San Bernardino Mountains to surround some 16 mountain communities about 70 miles (113 km) east of Los Angeles.

MOUNTAIN TOWN WIPED OUT

More than 50,000 residents of the popular resort towns of Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead jammed the only two roads off the mountain on Tuesday afternoon, fleeing a towering firestorm that caught crews off guard.

In San Diego County, the so-called Cedar fire incinerated 90 percent of the buildings in the mountain hamlet of Cuyamaca, and firefighters were staging a house-by-house effort to save nearby Julian, a former gold-mining town, and seven other communities from the fire's advance.

Tuttle reported that early and incomplete surveys of the burned area showed that 300 structures had been lost in Cuyamaca, where only the town hall and fire station were standing, and at least 200 in Julian.

The two huge fires in San Diego County had destroyed 1,300 homes and killed 12 people. Although diminished desert winds and clearing skies overnight allowed firefighters to make their first progress in containing the 45-mile-long fires, Wednesday afternoon brought renewed gusts from the opposite direction, officials said.

"It's a bad wind for us," CDF regional Chief Tim Turner said.

Gov. Gray Davis estimated that by the time all of the fires were put out the cost to California, which is already reeling from financial woes that prompted voters to throw him out of office, would be nearly $2 billion.

1,842 posted on 10/29/2003 4:48:22 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: lainie
CBS webcam chopper reporter was saying a few minutes ago that clouds and fog are starting to move into the Stevenson Ranch area. That will increase the humidity level. He also said there wasn't much else (trees/brush) left to burn in Stevenson Ranch; so houses that survived thus far may be safe.

1,843 posted on 10/29/2003 4:49:03 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: dalereed
Glad you're not near the fire. Any other cruise members/freepers you think might be in danger?
1,844 posted on 10/29/2003 4:49:11 PM PST by hoosiermama (Prayers for all!)
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To: knak
Thanks!
1,845 posted on 10/29/2003 4:49:27 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: dalereed
Thanks dalereed for the information on Ocenaside and Vista, we really appreciated getting first hand info.
1,846 posted on 10/29/2003 4:49:32 PM PST by calawah98
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To: lainie
Lainie, did that pilot just say "It's worse that I thought"? Was that the guy with the broken rudder?
1,847 posted on 10/29/2003 4:49:47 PM PST by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: TomGuy
sounds like it to me, too. It's a strong marine layer building -- the kind they're talking about when they say "socked in."
1,848 posted on 10/29/2003 4:50:07 PM PST by lainie
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To: Semper911
it might have been -- I missed the original talk earlier. was making dinner for kids
1,849 posted on 10/29/2003 4:50:54 PM PST by lainie
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To: knak
Is that dated tomorrow?
1,850 posted on 10/29/2003 4:52:15 PM PST by lainie
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