Reports of sex in classroom investigated

Dallas Star-Telegram ^ | 10-31-2003 | Mary McKee

[Iowa Granny]

nic: thanx for that explaination.

I was expressing opinion about what I thought the correct course of action should be, without considering what the actual law states. (I often disagree with what the law says, so this isn't anything new. Law and Order Granny here)

[nicmarlo]

The laws have nothing to do with feminism. Theoretically, if feminists had their way, girls/women would be looked at equals, not as more vulnerable/helpless, physically. The current laws, however, are based on the assumption that girls are more vulnerable/helpless, and, therefore, are victims in sexual "crimes." Hence, girls cannot give consent. The current laws were put in place eons before the feministic revolution in our culture.

[beavus]

Must have been a stimulating class.

[FITZ]

The current laws were put in place eons before the feministic revolution in our culture.

True. There wasn't this kind of problem in schools before feminism ---- but the consequences to both children would have been expulsion in the decades before feminism. The feminists certainly took the side of Bill Clinton even though he offered job promotions in exchange for sexual acts which should be considered sexual harassment.

[nicmarlo]

There wasn't this kind of problem in schools before feminism ---- but the consequences to both children would have been expulsion in the decades before feminism.

Most definitely.

[sakic]

I wondered how long it wouild take someone to mention Clinton. Post 2 is even quicker than usual.

[B4Ranch]

If it's good enough for a president, why should your twelve-year-old daughter think it's nasty?

(I often disagree with what the law says, so this isn't anything new. Law and Order Granny here)I wonder if the boy was running for re-election as class president.

[TheCrusader]

"Theoretically, if feminists had their way, girls/women would be looked at equals, not as more vulnerable/helpless, physically."

Forget theories, let's deal with reality. Feminists DO have their way in this generation, and it ain't about equality it's about superiority; and that is why a 14 year old boy can be RECEIVING sex from a girl in his classroom and be considered a rapist. He too is a minor child under the age of consent, I might add. If the girl were 16 she would not have been arrested and charged with statutory rape, you can take that to the bank.

[nicmarlo]

let's deal with reality....that is why a 14 year old boy can be RECEIVING sex from a girl in his classroom and be considered a rapist.

Let's deal with reality. Reality: The laws were formed YEARS AND YEARS before feminism. They are based on the FACT that girls/women, when compared to boys/men, are physically more vulnerable. Girls need to be protected from boys/men. Hence, girls ARE ALWAYS VICTIMS. You are dealing in non-realities by bringing in your suppositions as to why boys/men are charged with committing the crimes, and girls are looked at as victims, as pertains to sexual misbehavior.

[jimbo123]

Statistics for Robert T Hill Middle:

School District: Dallas Isd
County: Dallas
Low Grade: 07
High Grade: 08
Locale: Large Central City
Charter: No
Magnet: No
Title 1 School: Yes
Title 1 School Wide: Yes
Number of Students: 850
Number of Teachers: 57.90
Teacher to Student Percent: 14.70
Male: 440
Female: 410
Native American: 9
Asian: 30
Black: 311
Hispanic: 361
White: 139
Number of Students Receiving Free Lunch: 458
Number of Students Receiving Reduced Lunch: 81
Migrant Students: 0

[Iowa Granny]

Nice to 'see' you.

[B4Ranch]

Gettin' chilly here..in the 20's. How's it up your way?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

This 14 year old should get off easy

Apparently, that's already happened. :)

[chainsaw]

If I remember correctly, Clinton tried to make almost the exact point in connection with Monica.

If I remember correctly Oral sex isn't sex according to the X-42nd president of the United Satates-and Monica was convinced of that.

[Hildy]

almost inexcusable.

[chainsaw]

"The fact that it happened in a classroom while an adult was present is almost inexcusable."

There's that word again - "is".

[gitmo]

Let's deal with reality. Reality: The laws were formed YEARS AND YEARS before feminism. They are based on the FACT that girls/women, when compared to boys/men, are physically more vulnerable. Girls need to be protected from boys/men. Hence, girls ARE ALWAYS VICTIMS. You are dealing in non-realities by bringing in your suppositions as to why boys/men are charged with committing the crimes, and girls are looked at as victims, as pertains to sexual misbehavior.

I was at my 13 year old's school yesterday. The girls at that age are larger and stronger than the boys.

[Iowa Granny]

32 degrees and overcast this morning. Predictions for rain midway thru the Iowa/Illinois game this afternoon. Expecting highs in the low 50's today.

Harvest is complete. What were once lucious green cornfields are nothing but brown stubble.

[nicmarlo]

Reality, in this case, is Texas Law:

Without consent.

Any participation in a sexual act that is obtained through either force or coercion is obtained "without consent." All instances of force and some instances of coercion are illegal sexual assaults under Texas law. Automatically considered to be "without consent" in Texas is sexual access obtained:

by physical force or violence, or with the threat of force or violence;
when the victim is unconscious, unaware of what is occurring, or physically or mentally unable to resist;
when the victim is under the age of 14, or under the age of 17 if the offender is more than three years older; as a result of coercion by any public servant;
a mental health or health care services provider upon whom the person is emotionally dependent; or
a clergyman upon whom the person is emotionally dependent.

Texas law also states:
In addition, "indecency with a child" (under 17), a lesser offense than sexual assault, includes touching the breasts, genitals, or anus of the child ("fondling") or exposing genitals or anus to a minor with the intent to gratify one's own sexual desire, without consent (if the offender is less than three years older than the victim; otherwise, consent is irrelevant).

Also, according to Texas law, "consent" to any sexual act is irrelevant if a child is under the age of 14, or under the age of 17 if the offender is more than three years older.
http://www.utexas.edu/cee/dec/tcleose/assault/chapter1.html

[nicmarlo]

Sorry, but laws are made for the general populace, and applied generally; they are not made to change according to a particular school's ratios of weight/height.