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WHY HISTORY HAS NO END. (Excellent Article!!!!)
FrontPage Magazine ^ | Nov 2, 2003 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/03/2003 5:51:47 AM PST by faludeh_shirazi

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To: faludeh_shirazi
A good description of the current picture but short on perspective and the vision thing which is something that Fukuyama had. Also, when the author speculates what Fukuyama might have said (or "countered" as he puts it) after 9/11, he shows that he hasn't done his homework, because Fukuyama indeed updated his End of History essay following 9/11, in an article in the Wall Street Journal. (He defended and expanded on his previous thesis as hanson correctly guesses.)

Other than that this article is full of the parochial American prejudices and hatreds for the Europeans and their welfare state preferences, which work just fine for them and certainly not much worse than our own welfare state preferences, which we like to sweep under a rug and never discuss, because that would be, you know, "racism".

In the end, Fukuyama may be wrong, but Hanson does little to convince this cat!

21 posted on 11/13/2003 8:13:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: faludeh_shirazi
Great post ! Wow, what a find !
22 posted on 11/13/2003 8:27:09 PM PST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: Revolting cat!
It would be nice to see a response from Fukuyama, but why should he bother? I don't think Hanson is really addressing the same questions that Fukuyama did. It looks like he just picked up on that phrase "end of history" and went off in his own direction.

Fukuyama was talking about the long-term effects of modern democracy and capitalism in taming the forces that disrupted the world in the past. If we are going to be at war for a long time, that changes the situation, and the simplistic prophecy of "the end of history" -- at best a simplification -- won't happen. But Hanson doesn't seem to touch on the deeper philosophical question. Fukuyama on Hanson would be worth more than this shallow Hanson article (not) on Fukuyama.

23 posted on 11/13/2003 8:38:35 PM PST by x
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To: faludeh_shirazi
bumping for later...
24 posted on 11/13/2003 8:41:32 PM PST by redhead (Les Français sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: faludeh_shirazi
But in truth, the European opposition to the U.S. over Iraq and the fuss the European nations made about international organizations and diplomacy had more to do with realpolitik—the desire of those nations to answer American influence and champion their own power—than they did with any belief in the obsolescence of national identity or military force. How else could the once-great nations of Europe counter American influence, given the present comparative weakness of their arms and the rigidities of their economies, than by shackling the “hyper-power” with the mandates of the “world community”?

Well said, and spot on.

25 posted on 11/13/2003 9:05:16 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Young Werther
You can microvave your frozen TV dinner in an Amana microwave and eat it with Oneida flatware. However, the American way of life insured these communities failed while their products survived!!!!

Oneida Community - Hardly a failure. Bet you wish you had some stock.

also called PERFECTIONISTS, OR BIBLE COMMUNISTS, utopian religious community that developed out of a Society of Inquiry established by John Humphrey Noyes and some of his disciples in Putney, Vt., U.S., in 1841. As new recruits arrived, the society turned into a socialized community.

Noyes had experienced a religious conversion during a revival in 1831, when he was 20 years old. He then gave up law studies and attended Andover Theological Seminary and Yale Divinity School. His acceptance and preaching of the doctrine of perfectionism, the idea that after conversion one was free of all sin, was considered too unorthodox, and he was denied ordination. He also became convinced that the Second Coming of Christ was not an event of the future but had already occurred within a generation of Christ's ministry on Earth.

But it was Noyes's ideas concerning sexual union that made him notorious. He considered sexual union very important but rejected monogamy and the idea that one man and one woman should become closely attached to each other. The application of his views led to the practice of complex marriage in his community, in which every woman was the wife of every man and every man was the husband of every woman. Noyes also believed that Socialism without religion was impossible and that the extended family system devised by him could dissolve selfishness and demonstrate the practicality of perfectionism on Earth.

In 1847, at a time when revivalist belief in a new coming of Christ was at its height, Noyes proclaimed that the Spirit of Christ had earlier returned to Earth and had now entered into his group at Putney. This proclamation, together with the practice of complex marriage, aroused the hostility of the surrounding community, and the group left Putney to found a new community at Oneida, N.Y.

For the next 30 years Oneida flourished. The community, which in the early years numbered about 200 persons, earned a precarious existence by farming and logging before the arrival of a new member who gave the community a steel trap that he had invented. Manufacture and sale of Oneida traps, which were considered the best in the land, became the basis of a thriving group of industrial enterprises that included silverware, embroidered silks, and canned fruit. The community was organized into 48 departments that carried on the various activities of the settlement, and these activities were supervised by 21 committees. The women worked along with the men; for practical reasons they cut their hair short and wore trousers or short-skirted tunics.

Though marriage was complex, the Perfectionists denied the charge of free love. Sexual relations were strictly regulated, and the propagation of children was a matter of community control. Those who were to produce children were carefully chosen and paired. Children remained with their mother until they could walk but were then placed in a common nursery.

The central feature of the community was the custom of holding criticism sessions, or cures, a practice that Noyes had discovered in his seminary days at Andover. They were attended by the entire community at first and, later, as the community grew, were conducted before committees presided over by Noyes. For those subjected to criticism it was a nerve-racking ordeal, yet the sessions probably had some therapeutic value as a means of releasing feelings of guilt and aggression. The criticism sessions were also a shaming technique that enforced social control and were a highly successful device for promoting community cohesion. Hostility mounted in the surrounding communities to the Perfectionists' marriage arrangements, and in 1879 Noyes advised the group to abandon the system.

As the reorganization of the community began, the entire Socialist organization of property in Oneida also was questioned. Noyes and a few adherents went to Canada, where he died in 1886.

The remaining members set up a joint stock company, known as Oneida Community, Ltd. which carried on the various industries, particularly the manufacture of silver plate, as a commercial enterprise. Communism without Christianity is a farce. Lenin would be so disappointed to find that out.

26 posted on 11/13/2003 9:16:42 PM PST by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Utah Girl; faludeh_shirazi
About midway into the aritcle Hanson remarks:

Europeans say that sober reflection on their own checkered past has taught them to reject wars of the nation-state, to mediate, not deter, and to trust in Enlightenment rationality instead of primitive emotions surrounding God and country.

Look closer, though, and you’ll discover the pulse of history still beating beneath Europe’s postmodern surface—and beating stronger daily.

Postmodernism, as a theory, was the only theory I was given in my "historical methology" course that I took as a graduate student about 10 years ago, though now...I think it would be hard to find a course on it. Its interesting how "theories" change. Hanson assumes that the US is culturally immune to "continential" theories of this sort,...but like I said it was the ONLY theory I was taught. If it was not for 9/11 it would still likely be the toast de jour of many a history graduate student in US Universities.

27 posted on 11/16/2003 7:59:30 AM PST by Heuristic Hiker
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To: Heuristic Hiker
Here is an article that you might find interesting. It ties into Hanson's article quite nicely.
A Nation Apart
28 posted on 11/18/2003 10:11:48 PM PST by Utah Girl
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