The Facts About The Smoking Ban. If you're a business owner or not, this is a must read!

The Facts Online ^ | 11-01-03 | Dave Hitt

[SheLion]

Anti Smokers scream it's for the GOOD OF THE EMPLOYEES. Well, when a business closes, what good is it then!

[SheLion]

Feel free to print out and take this to every restaurant/tavern/bar owner you can. At least give them heads up about what lies ahead for them!

[Chad Fairbanks]

Bttt...

[Phantom Lord]

I know that there is no way to do a complete list on this matter. But I can add 1 to the list from NY. O's in Endicott NY.

[Gabz]

Through personal knowlegde I can attest to the truth of the harm listed here by the establishments in Delaware.

A lot of the smaller taverns in southern Delaware (the 4 places listed are in the northern area close to the maryland and Pennsylvania border) are only making it because they have an off-sale license or are attached to a package store.

The owner of the package store in my old neighborhood told me she had seen an increase in sales immediately following the start of the ban, remember it went into effect the day before Thanksgiving, and it never slacked off. More people were staying home or entertaining at home.

Package stores, catering businesses and bars and restaurants in nearby states are the only beneficiaries of Delaware's ban.

One of my favorite places in dover was put on the market this summer, and that was one of the luckier places it has an outside deck - but that didn't help enough to overcome the devastation of the ban.

[Just another Joe]

Bookmarked and will print.

[Judith Anne]

Sorry to interrupt, please excuse me...please add your voices to the Rockefeller Must Resign thread, and thank you.

[CSM]

"We had hoped...nonsmokers who haven't been frequenting taverns due to the smoke-filled air would make up for at least some of the financial loss. Unfortunately, at least in our place, this has most definitely not happened. Our sales are at an all time low"

I wonder where the nanny lovers and anti's are going? Oh, that's right, since they are such weaklings in need of the government protecting them, they still cower in the dark at home!

[Phantom Lord]

And several others that are on the verge of closing. This winter, where smokers will be forced outside to smoke will be the determining factor in how long many places stay open.

A bar I have done lots of drinking at, and my family still up there drinks at a lot is on the edge. And we are all great friends with the owners and vacation together so it is a horrible thing to see.

Being that they can't smoke inside, they go outside to smoke and often bring their drinks with them. The owner, Nino is rightfully fearful of getting busted for having patrons drinking outside. But when your a small neighborhood part with the same 5 guys being a vast majority of your business you either demand they not go outside with their drinks or look the other way and risk getting cited for that violation.

[SheLion]

I know that there is no way to do a complete list on this matter. But I can add 1 to the list from NY. O's in Endicott NY.

List any and ALL that your aware of. Please!

[CSM]

"you either demand they not go outside with their drinks or look the other way and risk getting cited for that violation."

If he would risk a violation anyway, why not make the customers happy and risk the smoking violation?

[Phantom Lord]

People will call in violations of the smoking ban. They won't do that for someone standing outside with a drink. And they do it in the back of the bar in the alley way where they park their cars. So they are not visable from the main street in front of the bar. Far safer risk to take.

[MTR]

I vacation with my family in Lake George, NY each year and spend about $2000 to $3000 while there. I won't be going to Lake George next year or any year there after. I will take my nasty habit and my money and vacation in PA or NJ.

[abner]

I have a sign up in our office: This IS a Smoking Area.

[SheLion]

There is also a lot more in Maine that has been published as well. A LOT more.

And with the January ban coming to finish off the Bars and Taverns, the list will grow much longer.

[SheLion]

rry to interrupt, please excuse me...please add your voices to the Rockefeller Must Resign thread, and thank you.

Thanks for the heads-up, Judith Anne! Do you have that URL??

[TheOtherOne]

Businesses should be able to get Smoking Licenses, just like the can apply for and get liquor licenses. That way, the default for businesses will be non-smoking, but any that choses can become a smoking establishment.

Seems so simple to me. Which side, does not fairly get most of what they want with that solution? Smokers can business get to keep what they want - and non-smokers get the default for business to be non-smoking requiring some affirmative action on the business owner to make his business a smoking establishment.

[Seajay]

I simply cannot believe that such bastions of attitude such as the Pine Tree State and my birth place (NY) have put up with this bulls**t! Note also that it happened in New York right after 9/11 when we looked to the government for "protection" (remember how many here thought that was a good thing?).

This "runaway train" is heading my way soon (Baltimore County Maryland). It will destroy a way of life for many. I have searched long and hard for any news of resistance or outright defiance and found none.

Perhaps the only hope is compromise - let there be dives where the self destructive smokers can congregate and ban it in places where those who want to bring their kids and worry about smokey smelling clothes can roost for an hour and leave 5 per cent tips.

This is the end of the tavern, a way of life that gave America so much!

[SheLion]

I thought the ANTI-SMOKERS said that smoking bans would be GOOD for businesses!  That they could FINALLY go into a restaurant/bar/tavern and finally ENJOY the place.

I thought the ANTI-SMOKERS said that by booting out the SMOKERS, then  THEY could go in and frequent the place.

Well, evidentially, they didn't do what they promised, did they?  They did NOT pick up the slack to keep the business's running. They all talk out of both sides of their evil mouths.  They didn't care one iota that business's were hurt, suffering and closing doors.  All they cared about was WINNING over the lowly SMOKERS. 

Well, I hope they are all proud of themselves and how they sleep at night is beyond me.  But listen up ANTI's: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

[Phantom Lord]

Businesses should be able to get Smoking Licenses, just like the can apply for and get liquor licenses. That way, the default for businesses will be non-smoking, but any that choses can become a smoking establishment

I strongly disagree. We should not need to get a license from the government to do what we please on our private property. Private Property rights have been so eroded in this country that they practically do not exist any more.

And if a license scheme is introduced we all know how it will end up. The price to get a license and the conditions to qualify for said license will start out low enough, but will quickly be jacked up to astronomical proportions as it will be seen as nothing more than another revenue stream for the government and these businesses will be considered easy pickins, just as smokers are with the tax increases on tobacco constantly happening.

We all know how government operates. But regarding the smoking ban in NY we need to go back a year. It was determined and businesses were advised that a smoking ban was NOT going to be put in place. But instead they were going to be required to install ceratin 'smoke eaters' in their bars. So businesses invested many thousands of dollars in these smoke eaters to be in compliance when the regulation they were told would happen became reality.

Didn't happen. Government changed its mind and went with a total smoking ban.