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Gay Episcopal bishop begins his ministry
AP | 11/09/03 | KATHARINE WEBSTER

Posted on 11/09/2003 2:25:14 PM PST by kattracks

PETERBOROUGH, N.H. (AP) — The Rev. V. Gene Robinson began his ministry as the Episcopal Church's first openly gay bishop on Sunday by saying he wants to bring the message of God's love to "those on the margins."

He also said the church should speak out on issues of social justice, including the lack of access to health care for many Americans.

"How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

After the service at All Saints Church, where he was married to his former wife, Robinson said he hopes that people who disagree with his confirmation will remain within the Episcopal Church, instead of breaking away.

"A church founded on unhappiness and anger is not going to go very far," he said.

New Hampshire's Episcopalians elected Robinson as bishop in June, and his selection was approved at the convention of the Episcopal Church USA in August. But his consecration a week ago has threatened to divide the Episcopal Church, the U.S. branch of Anglicanism.

On Nov. 3, overseas bishops who said they represented 50 million of the world's 77 million Anglicans jointly announced they were in a "state of impaired communion" with the Episcopal Church — a step short of declaring a full schism.

In addition, conservatives within the U.S. church have asked the Archbishop of Canterbury, the spiritual head of the Anglican Church, to authorize a separate Anglican province for them in North America.

In his sermon, Robinson said Jesus spent most of his time with women, taxpayers and foreigners, not with the rabbis and wealthy members of the temple.

Jesus "looked at the religious establishment of his day and realized they had closed their eyes to those on the margins," he said.

"Think of all the kinds of blindness right outside this door: not seeing people in need, or turning the other way when we do," he said.

Robinson told a story about three American soldiers in World War I whose fellow soldier was killed in combat, then was buried just outside the fence of a French churchyard because the priest didn't know whether the soldier had been baptized. When the Americans returned to pay their respects, they couldn't find his grave outside the fence.

The priest explained to them, "I realized I'd followed the rules, but I hadn't done the right thing — so I moved the fence," Robinson said.

"You and I in Jesus' name are called to move the fence ... as far away from us as possible," Robinson said.

At a reception for the bishop following the service, churchgoer Jack Jones said he was "all for" Robinson.

"He's a real brave man, and intelligent, and if people don't want to come to church for him, let them go somewhere else," said Jones, 64.

Elsewhere in the state, about half the members of the Episcopal parish in Rochester walked out of Sunday services to protest the dismissal of their interim minister, who opposes Robinson's appointment.

Bishop Douglas Theuner of the Diocese of New Hampshire removed the Rev. Donald Wilson on Friday for insubordination when Wilson refused to come to Concord to meet with Theuner on the matter. Robinson will automatically succeed Theuner when the bishop retires next year.

Lisa Ball, a member of the group that left, said the protest has nothing to do with homophobia, and "it has nothing to do with gay bashing."

Theuner "decided to take our priest away from us and didn't even ask us," Ball said.

David Tyler, the junior warden of the church and one of those who remained inside, said the parish "has a disagreement. We are trying to work this out."



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1 posted on 11/09/2003 2:25:15 PM PST by kattracks
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To: scripter
How dare this man pretend to be a man of God when he committed adultery on his wife with other men and left his wife and child for a man.
2 posted on 11/09/2003 2:29:12 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: kattracks
I believe this crap, but it is really totally unbelieveable. Firing conservsative priests, celebrating gay priests, what a mess.
3 posted on 11/09/2003 2:29:15 PM PST by mel
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To: kattracks
"How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

Turning politics into religion. This is an abomination.

4 posted on 11/09/2003 2:29:45 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: ahadams2
"It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues" as long as it doesn't mention the sins of adultery and homosexual behavior ping.
5 posted on 11/09/2003 2:29:49 PM PST by secret garden (What is liberty without...virtue? It is...madness, without restraint.)
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To: Eala; ahadams2; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel; ...
Ping.

Speaking of wasting money, how much is the Diocese of NH spending for the care & feeding of this pervert?

7 posted on 11/09/2003 2:37:02 PM PST by Credo
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To: kattracks
This so called bishop should sit his keister down and read his Bible. He is a disgrace, and all good Christians hate what he is doing. May God have mercy on his soul.
8 posted on 11/09/2003 2:38:03 PM PST by mom-7
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To: kattracks
Oh this is good... We have a gay bishop who left his wife and family for his lover, chose to destroy his church's base over his sinfulness, and he's lecturing anyone on morality??

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be laughable.

9 posted on 11/09/2003 2:40:47 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: kattracks
How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?

Easy to say when your own is probably provided gratis. Along with that for your lover. Along with that for your ex-wife. Along with that for your children by that wife. Along with the benefit package.

10 posted on 11/09/2003 2:41:23 PM PST by Aliska
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To: kattracks
He appeals to the margins, all right. --the margins of sanity.
11 posted on 11/09/2003 2:42:53 PM PST by RLK
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To: kattracks
Any idea if attendance at this church dropped with his arrival?
12 posted on 11/09/2003 2:44:38 PM PST by JimVT
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To: KC_Conspirator
As I have repeatedly said, Robinson and his cohorts are out to get the Episopalian money and proprty, and use it for left-wing causes.

If they felt so strongly, they could have started churches of theier own. Instead, they are actively trying to drive traditionalists from the church so that they can control the money for their own causes.

Fair warning to other mainline denominations. They are targetting you, too!

13 posted on 11/09/2003 2:44:58 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: KC_Conspirator
As I have repeatedly said, Robinson and his cohorts are out to get the Episopalian money and proprty, and use it for left-wing causes.

If they felt so strongly, they could have started churches of theier own. Instead, they are actively trying to drive traditionalists from the church so that they can control the money for their own causes.

Fair warning to other mainline denominations. They are targetting you, too!

14 posted on 11/09/2003 2:45:16 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: KC_Conspirator
Turning politics into religion. This is an abomination.

It began with turning perversion into politics.

15 posted on 11/09/2003 2:45:34 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Turning politics into religion. This is an abomination.

What ever happened to the separation of church and state they always cry about?

16 posted on 11/09/2003 2:47:21 PM PST by just me
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To: RLK

"Be not deceived. God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, that he will reap." Galatians 6:7. Health insurance is not the issue here...
17 posted on 11/09/2003 2:48:22 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: just me
What ever happened to the separation of church and state they always cry about?

Did'nt you hear? That rule does not apply to liberals and democrats.

18 posted on 11/09/2003 2:52:25 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: Cicero
It began with turning perversion into politics.

And turning perversion into religion.

19 posted on 11/09/2003 2:53:14 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: kattracks
"A church founded on unhappiness and anger is not going to go very far," he said.

A church founded on perversion and selfish interests will go even less far...

20 posted on 11/09/2003 2:54:23 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (The NEW Episcopal Church motto: The Bible is more of a guideline than a hard-and-fast rule...)
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To: kattracks
He' speaking out for liberal political causes?

I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked!

This could be HUGH!

I'm really being series

21 posted on 11/09/2003 2:55:09 PM PST by feedback doctor (Me fail english, that's unpossible)
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To: kattracks
So, when will we be hearing of him teaching buggery of children with wanton abandon? Oh, that's right, that would no doubt be "profiling" with the accusation of supression of free speech. I firmly believe we will be hearing him speak out on behalf of NAMBLA rights soon. God save the Episcopalians.
23 posted on 11/09/2003 2:56:13 PM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: kattracks
"A church founded on unhappiness and anger is not going to go very far," he said.

I wonder what this revisionist dunce thinks the PROTESTant Reformation was initially fueled by? Was Martin Luthor smiling when he nailed that sheet of vellum to the church door, you think? There is such thing as righteous anger, as modeled by Jesus taking to task the merchants in the temple.

24 posted on 11/09/2003 2:56:44 PM PST by GOP Jedi
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To: kattracks
A church founded on unhappiness and anger is not going to go very far," he said. ....my, my, my and just WHO created this anger and unhappiness???????????????
25 posted on 11/09/2003 2:57:24 PM PST by GrandMoM ("Without prayer, the hand of GOD stops, BUT, with prayer the hand of GOD moves !!!)
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To: JimVT
"Any idea if attendance at this church dropped with his arrival? "

I don't know, but rather doubt it.

All Saints Episcopal is the establishment church in Peterborough. Peterborough's a town of "beautiful people" and home to the McDowell Colony, an artist colony.

I expect that most of the congregation is delighted at Robinson's elevation. It's kinda chic, in some circles, to have social contact with a homosexual. It guarantees your bona fides as a liberal thinker, a tolerant and progressive person.

26 posted on 11/09/2003 2:58:48 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: kattracks
Headline: Gay Queer Episcopal bishop begins his ministry abomination

The Rev. V. Gene Robinson began his ministry as the Episcopal Church's first openly gay bishop on Sunday by saying he wants to bring the message of God's love to "those on the margins."

I suppose it should know.

27 posted on 11/09/2003 3:04:16 PM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: kattracks
"How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

How dare you preach on moral issues, adulterer and sodomizer. If I were anywhere near you when you spoke these words, you'd have more than a penis in your mouth, you'd be spitting teeth....(is that too harsh for me to say?...ok...I take them back...)

FMCDH

28 posted on 11/09/2003 3:17:12 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: kattracks
"How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

Jesus said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and care for the sick.....he didn't say anything about insuring them.
29 posted on 11/09/2003 3:17:20 PM PST by mlmr (The Naked and the Fred)
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To: KC_Conspirator; kattracks
<< "How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

Turning religion into politics. This is an abomination. >>

What a coincidence.

That's what God said, too.

[About the likes of these evil deviate bastards who, like the unassimilable criminal alien invaders presently pouring across our nation's sovereign borders, are invading and hostilely colonizing our nation's Christian Churches]
30 posted on 11/09/2003 3:21:15 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kattracks
"A church founded on unhappiness and anger what God has said is an abomnination is not going to go very far," he said.
31 posted on 11/09/2003 3:26:31 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: mlmr
How Dare he compare himself to Jesus!!!--How dare he leave a wife and children to live in SIN and then tell us how to run this country. He is the scum of the earth!!!!!
32 posted on 11/09/2003 3:29:56 PM PST by Ladytotheright (Right is Right)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Oh, haven't you heard? It not really adultery if it involves queer sex: (/sarcasm)

New Hampshire Supreme Court: Gay Sex Not Adultery (Dumbing down deviancy!)

33 posted on 11/09/2003 3:49:02 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: KC_Conspirator
>"How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

Turning politics into religion. This is an abomination.

It's nothing new. In the early 80s, as a delegate to the convention of the Diocese of San Joaquin, I saw a number of libs pressing for the diocese to sign on to the Nuclear Freeze Initiative and unilateral disarmament. My protest (I couldn't help it, I was young and naive) that these were not issues for the church to be taking a corporate stance upon were brushed aside. I was shocked to see much of the clergy, including ministers I had respected, vote for this thing. (As I recall it lost, though barely.)

34 posted on 11/09/2003 4:02:23 PM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Miss Marple; scripter; GrandMoM
"If they felt so strongly, they could have started churches of their own."


Some homosexuals HAVE started their own churches, and they are a reflection of their community:

Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches

About the Metropolitan Community Church: Was Jesus 'gay'?



"Instead, they are actively trying to drive traditionalists from the church so that they can control the money for their own causes."


Indeed, control of the money and properties is one of their goals. However, it goes beyond that. The homosexual community's infiltration of the church, in order to undermine and destroy its authority, has been part of a well planned and well funded campaign that has been going on for years. And they made it known that they were coming for the Church:


An excerpt from: The Overhauling of Straight America:

"While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers.

First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency.

Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology.

Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed “secular humanism”). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."


The homosexual community's focus will now shift to the destruction of marriage:


An excerpt from: In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:

"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine:

...to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution... The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely." "Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."


And consider the following:

An excerpt from Culture of Vice:

"The homosexual cause has moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. As Robert Reilly notes a society can withstand any number of person who try to advance their own moral disorders as public policy. But it cannot survive once it adopts the justifications for whose moral disorders as its own. This is what is at stake in the culture war...

For any individual, moral failure is hard to live with because of the rebuke of conscience. Habitual moral failure, what used to be called vice, can be lived with only by obliterating conscience through rationalization. When we rationalize, we convince ourselves that heretofore forbidden desires are permissible. We advance the reality of the desires over the reality of the moral order to which the desires should be subordinated. In our minds we replace the reality of moral order with something more congenial to the activity we are excusing. In short, we assert that bad is good...

It is often difficult to detect rationalizations when one is living directly under their influence, and so historical examples are useful. One of the clearest was offered at the Nuremberg trials by Dr. Karl Brandt, who had been in charge of the Nazi regime's Aktion T-4 euthanasia program. He said in his defense: “...when I said `yes' to euthanasia I did so with the deepest conviction, just as it is my conviction today, that it was right. Death can mean deliverance. Death is life.”

Unlike Dr. Brandt, most people recover from their rationalizations when remorse and reality set back in. But when morally disordered acts become the defining centerpiece of one's life, vice can permanently pervert reason. Entrenched moral aberrations then impel people to rationalize vice not only to themselves but to others as well. Thus rationalizations become an engine for revolutionary change that will affect society as a whole.

The power of rationalization drives the culture war, gives it its particular revolutionary character, and makes its advocates indefatigable. It may draw its energy from desperation, but it is all the more powerful for that. Since failed rationalization means self-recrimination, it must be avoided at all cost. For this reason, the differences over which the culture war is being fought are not subject to reasoned discourse. Persons protecting themselves by rationalizing are interested not in finding the truth, but in maintaining the illusion that allows them to continue their behavior. For them to succeed in this, everyone must accede to their rationalization. This is why revolutionary change is required. The necessity for self-justification requires the complicity of the whole culture. Holdouts cannot be tolerated because they are potential rebukes. The self-hatred, anger, and guilt that a person possessed of a functioning conscience would normally feel from doing wrong are redirected by the rationalization and projected upon society as a whole (if the society is healthy), or upon those in society who do not accept the rationalization.

The homosexual movement's rationalization is far more widely advanced in its claims. According to Jeffrey Levi, former executive director for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, “We (homosexuals)_ are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a right to protection from wrong. We have a right - as heterosexuals have already - to see government and society affirm our lives.” Since only the act of sodomy differentiates an active homosexual from a heterosexual, homosexuals want “government and society” to affirm that sodomy is morally equivalent to the marital act. “Coming out of the closet” can only mean an assent on the level of moral principle to what would otherwise be considered morally disordered.

And so it must be. If you are going to center your public life on the private act of sodomy, you had better transform sodomy into a highly moral act. If sodomy is a moral disorder, it cannot be legitimately advanced on the legal or civil level. On the other hand, if it is a highly moral act, it should serve as the basis for marriage, family (adoption), and community. As a moral act, sodomy should be normative. If it is normative, it should be taught in our schools as a standard. In fact, homosexuality should be hieratic: active homosexuals should be ordained as priests. All of this is happening. It was predictable. The homosexual cause moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. How successful that conquest has been can be seen in the poverty of the rhetoric of its opponents. In supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, the best one congressman could do was to say, “America is not yet ready for homosexual marriage,” as if we simply need a decent interval to adjust ourselves to its inevitable arrival.

The homosexual rationalization is so successful that even the campaign against AIDS is part of it, with its message that “everyone is at risk.” If everyone is at risk, the disease cannot be related to specific behavior. Yet homosexual acts are the single greatest risk factor in catching AIDS. This unpleasant fact invites unwelcome attention to the nature of homosexual acts, so it must be ignored..."


35 posted on 11/09/2003 4:21:38 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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Ping
36 posted on 11/09/2003 4:26:46 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Miss Marple; All

"The homosexual movement has a history of trying to claw its way into places its agenda doesn’t belong, not for the betterment of mankind, but simply to legitimize and normalize perverse behavior. This is apparent in the all-too-common need of homosexuals to declare their sexuality rather than simply do the job they sign on to do.

This is extremely detrimental - first, it creates conflict with others as most believe homosexuality to be wrong, and it shows that the full efforts of the employed homosexual are not going towards performing the task at hand but largely to declaring their lifestyle. When it comes to serious concerns such as the Church, schools, and the Boy Scouts that involve our children, we can’t take the risk of giving them this power to destroy the values we as parents try to instill, nor can we put our country’s welfare at stake by turning these pivotal foundational institutions and our military into homosexual social experiments.

The homosexual movement is marked by two major tendencies: the tendency to continually infiltrate all good aspects of society; and once they have achieved that, the tendency to destroy this good. Public education, the Boy Scouts, the military, and now the Catholic Church have been targeted, and all have been hurt by the effects of homosexuality. The media and the Church must break its silence towards this enemy. If they do not, the people themselves must rise up and expose it..."

-- Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Homosexual Priests: A Time for Truth, The Washington Dispatch, May 6, 2002



37 posted on 11/09/2003 4:29:26 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Haven't you heard, adultry can only occure between a man and a woman.
38 posted on 11/09/2003 4:40:02 PM PST by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: kattracks
Gay Episcopal Bishop Begins His Ministry

In Judy Garland drag.

39 posted on 11/09/2003 4:47:12 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Miss Marple
It's bad enough this guy is a heretic, but then he starts down the president-bashing path....

Alas, I presume most Episcopalians in his church will love it.

40 posted on 11/09/2003 4:54:23 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: kattracks
It's only a matter of time before the gay-wing of this Espiscopal Church inverts all the crosses and paints them rainbow.
43 posted on 11/09/2003 5:10:01 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: EdReform
BTTT
44 posted on 11/09/2003 5:12:09 PM PST by GrandMoM ("Without prayer, the hand of GOD stops, BUT, with prayer the hand of GOD moves !!!)
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To: kattracks
"How dare we in this country spend $87 billion on war when 44 million people have no health insurance?" he said in his sermon. "It's up to the church to lead on some of these moral issues."

Is he wearing his bishop's hat or his liberal hat? How many of the uninsured have chosen to be so?

45 posted on 11/09/2003 5:14:21 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Test of metal: will of iron, heart of gold, nerves of steel, balls of brass. ~George Carlin)
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To: billorites
As a former Chamber exec myself...I have found that communications to the business community in an area can usually generate action if it hits their pocketbooks.

Peterborough, NH is a travel destination (I have spent some time in the area myself)

Maybe some expressions of concern that folks don't want to visit an area that promotes homosexuality might get the business community involved in this issue!

Contact the Chamber of Commerce here

chamber

46 posted on 11/09/2003 5:14:33 PM PST by JimVT
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To: Josef Stalin
So whats next, requiring the priest to sodomize 8 year old boys as part of communion? There is no sin, only love......Go NAMBLA!

"Come here, my young son. Let me show you MY wafer..."

47 posted on 11/09/2003 5:16:23 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Test of metal: will of iron, heart of gold, nerves of steel, balls of brass. ~George Carlin)
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To: EdReform
Wow. The Black Establishment must looooooooooove Jesse Lee Peterson...
48 posted on 11/09/2003 5:42:45 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Test of metal: will of iron, heart of gold, nerves of steel, balls of brass. ~George Carlin)
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To: Credo
You wrote "Speaking of wasting money, how much is the Diocese of NH spending for the care & feeding of this pervert?"

Excellent Question! I am attempting to find out even as we speak...however you'd be amazed at how touchy some folks get when you start talking about salaries, allowances, and so on - it may take a few days, but I promise I'll keep digging.
49 posted on 11/09/2003 5:43:47 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: TonyRo76
'Splain this, please. Are you talking about the general Episcopalian founding?
50 posted on 11/09/2003 5:44:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Test of metal: will of iron, heart of gold, nerves of steel, balls of brass. ~George Carlin)
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