Posted on 11/16/2003 10:30:47 AM PST by nwrep
You may have not noticed it, but the war of George Soros and his cronies against President Bush is in full swing.Soros is upping the ante, both financially and logistically.
Wesley KLArk has important role in Soros scheme as a memeber of Soros front organisation better known as International Crisis Group -ICG.
Wes KLArk has violated US constitution by waging war after 60th day without Congressional approval. That's enough to kill anyone's political aspiration for Oval Office. Unless he is a part of deliberate scheme, like mechanical rabbit.
Methinks Wes is placeholder for Hitlery. Watch the skunks carefully. Very carefully.
To be able to see clearly, you have to take off your Serb- hating blinkers because the Balkans hold the key of the puzzle.
Our military never deliberately targeted hospitals and never deliberately used cluster bombs inside a city. And we certainly did not re-bomb bridges just to catch the civilians as they emerged from cover.
Attack tactics were reviewed carefully to minimize civilian casualties--ranging from the time of the attack, direction of attack, type and number of munition chosen, proximity to civilian population, method of delivery and so on.
Targets were vetted "by committee" with the NATO rules meaning every country had a veto at any time. So even the Greeks and Belgians and so on were in agreement.
Finally, your judgment on our pilots shows just how out of touch you are with the American military. No chain of command and no pilot would have issued or obeyed an order to "[use] the red crosses on hospital roofs as TARGETS".
Showing your colors here, Cicero.
But the bombings also included trains on bridges and refugee convoys, apartment buildings, civilian factories, power plants, and dams...it has generally been considered unjust and criminal to kill innocent civilians deliberately. It violates the Geneva Convention and accepted international standards that have been in force throughout modern times.
C'mon, Cicero--have at least a little intellectual honesty. There is a significant difference both morally and legally between deliberately attacking a "refugee convoy" or doing so by mistake. Or are you, in support of Honorary Serb's position, saying that the United States military deliberately attacks refugees and apartment buildings filled with innocent civilians?
I can't stand Clark, but the Waco thing is simply not true. This Clark-Waco connection keeps floating around Free Republic and it is completely bogus. The armor was from the Texas National Guard. The only active military involvement were some Army technicians who had trained the FBI on how to operate electronic jamming equipment used to scramble local TV signals to ensure the Branch Davidians couldn't see what was going on outside the compound.
YOu should read the Constituion. 1-The President authorized the war, not Clark. The military cannot go to war on its own. 2-You are confusing the War Powers Act with the Constitution. Every President since Carter maintains that it is an unconstitutional usurpation of Presidential powers.
I've certainly noticed that, and have started more than a couple of threads warning people of the evils this scum and Progressive Insurance's chairman are - they are both pledging over $10 million to get rid of Bush (you can look it up)
Wesley KLArk has important role in Soros scheme as a memeber of Soros front organisation better known as International Crisis Group -ICG.
Everything about these two I find represhensible. Everything but the Kosovo war, which I found to be a just cause
Wes KLArk has violated US constitution by waging war after 60th day without Congressional approval. That's enough to kill anyone's political aspiration for Oval Office. Unless he is a part of deliberate scheme, like mechanical rabbit. Methinks Wes is placeholder for Hitlery. Watch the skunks carefully. Very carefully.
He was following the disgraceful commander-in-chief's orders, which had the full support of NATO (F*** the UN).
To be able to see clearly, you have to take off your Serb- hating blinkers because the Balkans hold the key of the puzzle
Once again, you folks seek to misrepresent my views. I have nothing against Serbs, I actually happen to really like the people of the region a great deal. I HATE Milosevic and the brutality he unleashed, and his henchman. The current leadership, a moderating force, is great so far, and could be extremely helpful to democracy and the War on Terror in the future.
I am no fan of Milo either. Before March 1999 approximately 3000 people have been killed in Kosovo, half of them Serbs. Some of Albanians were killed by KLA, not Milo forces. After June 9, when NATO took control of Kosovo province, more than 1000 Serbs and more than 2000 Albanians were muredered by KLA in the presence of Nato troops.
I guess you are familiar with The Hague convention and the duties of the occupying power. This is war crime.
In direct comparrison of casualties, more Albanians have been killed during NATO "rule" than during Milosevic misrule. Add to that number several hundred muredred Albanians by NATO bombs.
Is this brutality acceptable to you? Mind you, it came as the consequence of war and occupation.
One more thing. If the murdering spree of KLA thugs can be exused as the result of Milosevic misrule, using the same logic, isn't Milosevic misrule result of Albanian attrocities in 1941-45 and behavior of unrepented Nazis since then?
I am under impression that you firmly believe that killing of Albnanian terrorists by Milo forces is brutality and murder of Albanians, Serb and Roma by Albanian terrorists is not.
Any crimes done before March 1999 pale in comparrison with the Albanian crimes done since NATO took control of Kosovo. Since you supported the agression, you bear moral responsibility for the outcome.
I've never said a good thing about this band of thugs. The KLA served a useful purpose for a small window of time- at the beginning of the battle. They may prove to be the Kosovar's ultimate demise, if they don't stop their disgusting crimimal ways... Should it continue, their dream of independence will be just that- a dream, and rightfully so. If the people/govt can't curtail and stop these criminals, they deserve what they (don't) get.
Think before you post, or don't post at all.
Whether Milosevic says something has nothing with the veracity of the claim. Even sworn perjuror can tell the truth:
Now if we have learned anything after the Cold War and our memories of World War II, it is that if our country is going to be prosperous and secure, we need a Europe that is safe, secure, free, united, a good partner with us for trading . . . and someone who will share the burdens of taking care of the problems of the world. . . . [T]hat's what this Kosovo thing is all about. . . .
So prove yourself better than a 4th grader and differentiate yourself from Milosevic - document your claims as to the numbers of casualties, both Serb and Albanian, during the time frame you are referencing.
You have to have access to this information to make your claims, so it shouldn't be too hard, now should it?
Once we get through with that exercise, if you're still around I'll walk you through command responsibility.
Slowly.
In Wj Clinton's words: That's what this Kosovo thing is all about.
Unfortunatelly, thousands of Slaughtered Serb civilians could not save the weak dollar and even weaker U.S. ecconomy in the long run. DJIA has not returned to March 1999 value yet.
According to the Nuremberg Military Tribunal, the ultimate crime is crime agains peace. Tokyo trials were based on the same principle, the criminal enterprise.
Criminal enterprise. If you are still in the mood to explain command responsiblility, explain it to yourself. Start with Wj Clinton and progress to those who actually commited war crimes in the air and on the ground. Do not forget that US forces have operational command over KPC after June 1999.
Your notes may come handy if another tribunal, based on Nuremberg Military Tribunal is established some day.
Document your claims as to the numbers of casualties, both Serb and Albanian, during the time frame you are referencing.
It's all fun and games until someone calls your bluff, isn't it.
However, this will make nice night reading to you. The author is documented Serb-basher Renate Flottau.
DER SPIEGEL
Saturday, September 21, 2002 KOSOVO
THE CRUELEST CLEANSING
The UN police get tougher with Albanian war criminals in Kosovo. New unrest possible, because for many these criminals are still heroes A strange grave lies in the midst of a large meadow in the village of Crni Luk. There are no names on the four gravestones, and the inhabitants of village of 3,000 react with distrust to questions about the dead. "This is where we buried the charred remains of the Krasniqi clan," says a young Albanian man and adds immediately with a wave of his hand: "But I do not know more than that."
Twenty-four Albanians were shot, among them 13 children, and their houses were burned down. But the victims are not buried in the heroes' cemetery at the end of the village, where under a sea of Albanian flags rest its former inhabitants killed in clashes with the Serbs. They are not buried there because, according to protected testimony by eyewitnesses, the Krasniqis were apparently executed by their compatriots only after the arrival of KFOR international peacekeeping forces in the Yugoslav province of Kosovo.
The four Krasniqi brothers were considered "loyalists to the Serbian regime" and worked in Serbian companies; one of them was even as a journalist for the Serbian language newspaper "Jedinstvo". Under the Milosevic regime they enjoyed privileges; afterwards, this was their death sentence.
The extermination of this family, like other Albanian crimes, could have been quickly hushed up. For since the United Nations made the Kosovo their protectorate in July 1999, they had proceeded against presumed war criminals from the numbers of the Kosovo Albanians only with velvet gloves. But now, more than three years after the NATO takeover, the international community finally dares to also confront its recent allies. Its investigators have even arrested some leaders of the former Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) who are suspected of committing murder.
"Everyone in Kosovo knows but none dares to speak about it," says the former prime minister of the exiled Kosovars and current chairman of the New Party for Kosovo, Bujar Bukoshi. "After the war the cruelest cleansings took place among the Albanians. Under the pretext that they were 'Serbian collaborators', the leaders of the KLA liquidated their political opponents; old blood feuds were settled, and Albanian civilians were executed by the Albanians themselves."
The number of the victims is estimated to be more than a thousand. The perpetrators or instigators were usually former senior KLA leaders; after the war they were integrated nearly without exception into the KLA successor organization, the civilian Kosovo Protection Corps.
Allegedly a former KLA commander and two of his fellow soldiers, according to their indictment, instigated a war criminal to kill the former KLA commander Ekrem Rexha known as "Drini". This moderate Albanian had announced the publication of a book on war crimes in Kosovo, including those committed by the KLA. A few hours after Drini's death KLA deputies visited his widow in order to get "the computer with records on the announced book". However the international police responsible for postwar crimes was faster. Also awaiting trial since not long ago are once legendary KLA commanders
Sami Lushtaki and Rustem Mustafa ("Remi"). The latter is accused, along with three other KLA officers, of having raped Albanian women and killed at least five civilians in private prison camps during and after the war. Daut Haradinaj, the notorious brother of the former KLA commander Ramush Haradinaj (who in the meanwhile became head of the third largest political party, the Alliance for the Future of Kosovo), is accused with five other members of the Kosovo Liberation Army of the murder of four members of the Liberal Party (LDK) of Kosovo president Ibrahim Rugova. After arresting an influential KLA commander near the town of Dragas, the police stated that at the same time bomb attacks in the region stopped.
Recently another senior KLA member from Prizren was brought before the investigating judge. He is accused not only of having committed criminal activities but also of being the top agent of the Albanian secret service. The hard disk of his computer in the meanwhile has become a treasure trove of information on war crimes, extortion and Albanian secret service plans.
"We are slowly moving forward," says German Christian Lindmeier, a spokesman for the UN administration in Kosovo (UNMIK). Unnoticed by the public the Hague tribunal has also opened an office in Pristina. Rumors according to which the list of the Hague investigators, in addition to Serb war criminals, also includes three former KLA leaders and now influential politicians - Hashim Thaci, Agim Cheku and Ramush Haradinaj - have been neither confirmed nor denied by the spokesmen of the tribunal. According to Hague tribunal chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte, in any case indictments against some Kosovo Albanians will be filed before the end of the year. Shortly before the end of the war Thaci was sentenced in absentia by a Serbian court in Pristina to ten years' imprisonment. Belgrade presented the chief prosecutor in The Hague with a disk with 27,000 pages on the alleged war crimes committed by the top KLA triumvirate. The extradition of at least one of the former KLA leaders would be welcome for many Serbs to explain the Serbian war crimes in the Kosovo as defense of the state and population. "We know a lot," says UNMIK spokesman Lindmeier, "but our problem is witnesses. They have a gun pointed at their head. Many withdraw their original statements after threats by their former KLA fellow fighters". The heroic elite which ended up in jail is guarded by about twenty prison wardens from Germany flown in by plane to do the job. Albanian guards received death threats if they attempted to prevent escape attempts. For many Albanians the imprisoned KLA leaders are still war heroes. Every Friday demonstrators lay flowers in front of the prison in Pristina. They accuse UNMIK of developing "Milosevic tendencies". The chairman of the journalist federation, Milan Zeka, has even called on his colleagues to fight against the "police dictatorship" of UNMIK chief Michael Steiner. The German, they say, is insulting a whole generation of Albanians. But this will not discourage Steiner from further arrests and extradition of Albanians to the Hague tribunal despite rumors in Kosovo of a huge revolt by the Albanians. He will carry out every warrant for arrest of the Hague tribunal: "During my mandate we will adhere to law and order
It becomes more obvious with each post that you didn't have any basis to make the claims you did in your earlier post, which begs the question - why should I take any of your posts seriously?
Put up or shut up.
And your latest attempt undercuts your position - try reading your material all the way through before posting it.
Are you kidding? There's weren't even hundreds, if scores. There were few military losses at all. Stop lying about the stats, or back them up with a QUALIFIED source, NOT some propoganda outfit.
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