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Are Asteroids History's Greatest Killers?
National Geographic News ^ | 11/20/03 | John Roach

Posted on 11/20/2003 12:31:59 PM PST by LibWhacker

Catastrophic asteroid impacts are gaining a credible edge over violent volcanic eruptions as the greatest killers Earth has ever seen, according to two pieces of scientific detective work reported in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science.

The first cataclysm in question occurred about 250 million years ago, when according to the fossil record more than 90 percent of Earth's marine species and 70 percent of life on land perished. The event is known as the Permian-Triassic (P-T for short) mass extinction, named because it falls on the boundary between the two geological eras.

The second event, known as the Cretaceous-Tertiary (K-T) mass extinction, occurred about 65 million years ago, leading to the demise of the dinosaurs and most of the creatures and plants that lived with them.

The geologic record shows that cataclysmic volcanic eruptions occurred around the same time as two periods of mass extinctions. But recent research shows that asteroids may have had a more significant impact on prehistoric flora and fauna. The Ida asteroid, the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines, and a magnified meteorite fragment are shown above.

According to the geological record, bouts of extreme volcanism occurred around the same time as these mass extinctions and many scientists have suggested that the volcanic activity is directly responsible for the loss of life.

However, the discovery and analysis over the past few decades of a crater from an asteroid impact about 65 million years ago, and of meteorite fragments from an apparent asteroid impact about 250 million years ago, is leading some scientists to believe that the impact events, not volcanism, were the primary cause of the extinctions.

Two studies published in the November 21 issue of Science support these theories. One study presents further evidence for an impact event about 250 million years ago and the second study suggests that the volcanism around the K-T boundary was probably not a major contributor to the K-T mass extinction.

Asteroid Impacts

In 1991 scientists located a 112-mile-wide (180-kilometer-wide) and 3,000-foot-deep (900-meter-deep) crater on Mexico's Yucatán Peninsula that appeared to have been made by a giant comet or asteroid that slammed into the Earth about 65 million years ago. The collision has gained favor as the cause of the K-T mass extinction and is referred to as the "dinosaur killer."

Now, a team of scientists led by Asish Basu, a geochemist at the University of Rochester in New York, has found dozens of unusual mineral grains from two rock samples taken from Graphite Peak, Antarctica, that they say are pieces of a meteorite that impacted Earth 250 million years ago.

"We analyzed them and they seem to be pieces of extraterrestrial material," said Basu.

The researchers also found bits of nearly pure metallic iron in the Antarctic rock that they say is of neither terrestrial nor extraterrestrial origin. Rather, they say the particles resemble those reported by Kunio Kaiho of Tohoku University in Sendai, Japan, from the P-T boundary in Meishan, China, that formed as an impact cloud condensed.

A third, controversial, impact marker—clusters of carbon atoms called buckyballs—have also shown up at Graphite Peak, co-authors of the Science paper Luann Becker of the University of California, Santa Barbara and Robert Poredea of the University of Rochester reported earlier this year in the journal Astrobiology.

Basu and his colleagues suggest in Science that the material from Asia and Antarctica is from an impact event associated with the P-T mass extinction just as the impact crater in the Yucatán is now widely associated with K-T mass extinction.

Gregory Retallack, a geologist at the University of Oregon in Eugene who in 1995 collected one of the Antarctic samples analyzed by Basu and colleagues, also concluded that the rocks contained evidence of an asteroid impact.

"This new paper is a splendid corroboration of our earlier work," he said in an e-mail sent from Antarctica where he is currently searching for more impact beds associated with the P-T boundary.

Meanwhile, Basu and his colleagues are actively searching for an impact crater associated with the P-T mass extinction. Such a find, said Basu, would further clarify whether the impact occurred and, if so, its association with the mass extinction.

"The search is going on. So far in the published literature no one has found it, but we are working on it actively. We are working on it right now," he said.

Volcanic Isotopes

In a second Science study, geochemists analyzing the ratios of two osmium isotopes in seawater suggest that the bout of violent volcanic activity around the K-T boundary likely caused a major global warming event but was probably not a major contributor to the demise of the dinosaurs.

Greg Ravizza, a co-author of the study at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu, said the finding substantiates earlier studies based on analysis of the past climate by bringing more resolution to when the volcanism occurred in relation to the impact event.

"It's the first thing we have that substantiates the previous interpretations of the paleoclimate," he said.

The finding suggests that while the period of volcanism spanned the K-T impact event, the bulk of the volcanism occurred several hundred thousand years before the asteroid slammed into the Yucatán, causing the mass die off.

Ravizza said he would like to apply the dating technique he and his colleague Bernhard Peucker-Ehrenbrink of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts used to the volcanism at the P-T boundary as well, but 250-million-year-old sediments on the seafloor are not well preserved.

Such work, if eventually possible, will help answer the still outstanding question of how significant a contribution the volcanism at the P-T boundary made to the mass extinction, versus the contribution of the impact.

Basu said it may even be possible that the volcanism at the P-T boundary is directly linked to the impact event. "That is the $64 million question," he said. "People are trying to figure out whether an impact could trigger volcanism. That would be a double punch."


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1 posted on 11/20/2003 12:32:00 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
George Bush is history's greatest killer. Don't you listen to the liberal babble on the nightly news....
2 posted on 11/20/2003 12:34:35 PM PST by Always Right
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To: LibWhacker
Are Asteroids History's Greatest Killers?

It's not because the liberals aren't trying...

3 posted on 11/20/2003 12:35:05 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; Aric2000; balrog666; BMCDA; CobaltBlue; Condorman; Dimensio; Doctor Stochastic; ...
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4 posted on 11/20/2003 12:35:50 PM PST by js1138
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To: Always Right
Bush knew about the impending K-T extinction and didn't warn the dinosaurs.
5 posted on 11/20/2003 12:37:05 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: LibWhacker
The geologic record shows that cataclysmic volcanic eruptions occurred around the same time as two periods of mass extinctions.

There is also evidence that the two may be linked. The Shiva crater is contemporaneous with the Chicxulub in the Yucatan and some geologists link it to the Deccan flood basalts. The Siberian flood basalts are contemporaneous with the P-T boundary, and are large enough to have covered a large impact crater.

6 posted on 11/20/2003 12:38:52 PM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: LibWhacker
Are Asteroids History's Greatest Killers?

Cousin Eddie would know.

7 posted on 11/20/2003 12:39:38 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: dirtboy
Ever shoot a watermelon with a high-power rifle?

Think of "hydrostatic shock" on a planetary scale.
8 posted on 11/20/2003 12:40:07 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Ever shoot a watermelon with a high-power rifle?

Just another Saturday afternoon, sittin' on the front porch with not a lot to do...
9 posted on 11/20/2003 12:43:14 PM PST by G L Tirebiter
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To: LibWhacker
Yeah, maybe, but a big blow at Yellowstone would still be pretty bad news.
10 posted on 11/20/2003 12:43:14 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Poohbah
Under the Homeland Security Act of 65 million BC, he also arrested any of the dinosaurs who were caught talking about it!
11 posted on 11/20/2003 12:43:21 PM PST by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: G L Tirebiter
I made the mistake of shooting the watermelon with a .45 at 5 yards.

Some of the chunks will fly 10 yards unless they hit an intervening object, like a guy dumb enough to stand only 5 yards away (c8
12 posted on 11/20/2003 12:44:43 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: TexasCowboy
Under the Homeland Security Act of 65 million BC, he also arrested any of the dinosaurs who were caught talking about it!

And the K-T extinction hit the women and minority dinosaurs hardest.

13 posted on 11/20/2003 12:45:35 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Bush knew about the impending K-T extinction and didn't warn the dinosaurs.

Are you kidding, Shrubbie plotted the extinction of the dinosaurs. Why do you think he isn't releasing any info to the Senate committees who are only interested in obtaining the truth and have no partisan desires. If we could only elect Dean, he could save the dinosaurs. I hear he has a plan.....

and to think Liberals use to make fun of conservatives for Black Helicopters and shooting watermelons. Those buffoons are convinced Bush had Welstone killed, plotted a war for Haliburton could profit, and let terrorist fly planes into the trade centers so could get re-elected. The kookery on the left is becoming their 'mainstream'.

14 posted on 11/20/2003 12:46:40 PM PST by Always Right
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To: LibWhacker
Meanwhile, France ponders how to surrender...
15 posted on 11/20/2003 12:47:21 PM PST by battlecry
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To: Always Right
Nah, this sounds like the work of a SUV to me.
16 posted on 11/20/2003 12:47:36 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: Poohbah
Think of "hydrostatic shock" on a planetary scale.

I would be more inclinded to look at the lunar model, where large impacts from billions of years ago filled up with lava. A large impact could cause an eruption. In the case of the Shiva crater, it landed right off the west coast of India, where the Deccan traps are located. And the Siberian traps are large enough to have covered a major impact crater, and it would be very difficult to locate an impact structure under it.

17 posted on 11/20/2003 12:47:42 PM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: Always Right
Are you kidding, Shrubbie plotted the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Actually, it was plotted by his handlers and his fellow members of Skull & Bones. Shrubbie's too dumb to think up anything like this, remember?

18 posted on 11/20/2003 12:48:06 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: dirtboy
But there are also signs of other volcanic eruptions--massive ones--thousands of kilometers away. So Earth bleeds out of the entry wound, and there's an exit wound, and everyone insists that there was a second mass driver on the Grassy Knoll of Nix Olympica (c8
19 posted on 11/20/2003 12:49:42 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
. So Earth bleeds out of the entry wound, and there's an exit wound, and everyone insists that there was a second mass driver on the Grassy Knoll of Nix Olympica (c8

So, smart guy, you're trying to tell me that Arlen Specter is a geologist?

20 posted on 11/20/2003 12:51:18 PM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: LibWhacker
The Clintons are History's Greatest Killers, just ask Vince.....
21 posted on 11/20/2003 12:53:03 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary? Me Neither!!!!)
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To: dirtboy
Absolutely. Howard Hunt plotted this whole thing so that there'd be oil for him to pump out of Texas 65 million years later.
22 posted on 11/20/2003 12:53:53 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: battlecry
Clinton Body Count CLICK HERE
I nominate the Clintons as the world's greatest killers! And rapist, etc.
23 posted on 11/20/2003 12:56:24 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary? Me Neither!!!!)
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To: dirtboy
Makes a lot of sense to me. Thirty years ago they didn't think it happened with run-of-the-mill extinction meteorites and pointed to the moon as proof.
24 posted on 11/20/2003 12:56:42 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Poohbah
Absolutely. Howard Hunt plotted this whole thing so that there'd be oil for him to pump out of Texas 65 million years later.

And what do the oilfields in West Texas produce from? The Permian Basin. Skull and Bones must have triggered the Permian extinction so there would be lots of dead dimetrodons to make vast pools of oil and make the Bush family rich.

Yep, it's all coming together now, in one tidy package. We should ping that ChistopherABrown nutbar from yesterday and give him something else to obsess on.

25 posted on 11/20/2003 12:57:30 PM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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Craters or calderas?
26 posted on 11/20/2003 12:59:06 PM PST by Consort
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To: dirtboy
What do you get when you cross ChristopherABrown and f.Christian?

Answer: I don't think we want to find out!
27 posted on 11/20/2003 1:01:03 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
"Ever shoot a watermelon with a high-power rifle?"

I would never think of disturbing a watermelon that is capable of self-defense.

When guns are outlawed, watermelons will have no defense against people with knives.

Asteroids are only there to "punctuate" the equilibrium.

28 posted on 11/20/2003 1:02:39 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I wouldn't be judgmental, if people weren't so STUPID!)
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To: Poohbah
One recommendation... "Lucifer's Hammer."

Speaking of the effects of "Hydrostatic Shock" (or Seismic Shock in this case) One of the moons in the solar system shows the effects of an impact so large that it cratered one side of the planetoid and warped the opposing side where the shock waves interested at the mirror end of the sphere.

There is some evidence to suggest that our own moon was created in this fashion.

Massive Collision Created The Moon.

The Pacific ocean was left as the remnant of the loss of mass, Pangea (single land mass) the bulge at the opposite side of impact, Water left over from the comet that hit, and the Thermal heat of the core and subsequent volcanism a product of the transferred energy of an impact that ultimately transformed an old, cold piece of rock into a Paradise.

One might rather call that the 'Fist of God.'

I have been out of Archaeology and Geomorphology for sometime otherwise this might have been the subject of a dissertation. I would be curious to hear if anyone can expand on this theory.


29 posted on 11/20/2003 1:05:22 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: Mr.Atos
"...I have been out of Archaeology and Geomorphology for sometime..."

This stuff is all old news anyway.

30 posted on 11/20/2003 1:09:37 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I wouldn't be judgmental, if people weren't so STUPID!)
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To: Poohbah
What do you get when you cross ChristopherABrown and f.Christian? Answer: I don't think we want to find out!

Then...

Being an American

IS

likely going to be more than YOU and the evolutionsists

can handle!

31 posted on 11/20/2003 1:10:18 PM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: LibWhacker
asteroids don't kill people...people kill people
32 posted on 11/20/2003 1:12:11 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Mr. Fox, give us our water!!!)
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To: LibWhacker
Saturn's, Mimas

The surface of Mimas is dominated by an impact crater 130 km across, known as Herschel; it's almost 1/3 of the diameter of the entire moon. Herschel's walls are approximately 5 km high, parts of its floor measure 10 km deep, and its central peak rises 6 km above the crater floor. The impact that made this crater must have nearly disrupted Mimas. Fractures can be seen on the opposite side of Mimas that may be due to the same impact.

The surface is saturated with impact craters. But no others are nearly as large as Herschel. This suggests that early in its history, Mimas was probably impacted by even larger bodies than the one that created Herschel which completely disrupted the new moon (wiping out the evidence of earlier large impacts) but that the impact debris then coalesced again to form present-day Mimas.

33 posted on 11/20/2003 1:14:29 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: Mr.Atos
That's no moon. That's a space station.
34 posted on 11/20/2003 1:15:30 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
And of course, Bush and his band of Cretacious neocons manufactured the bogus intelligence of the Great Magellanic Cloud's Asteroid of Mass Destruction. Everyone knows that Andromeda was acting alone.
35 posted on 11/20/2003 1:15:44 PM PST by jpl
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To: Mr.Atos
The Pacific ocean was left as the remnant of the loss of mass, Pangea (single land mass) the bulge at the opposite side of impact

The moon is much older than the Pacific.

And there have been MULTIPLE "single land masses" on earth. There was Rodinia, which was a single land mass that split up scattering continents everywhere, then those continents came together to form Pangea. There may have been ones before Rodinia but Rodinia is the earliest one we can reconstruct well.

36 posted on 11/20/2003 1:16:01 PM PST by John H K
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To: NicknamedBob
LOL! And as David Allen White reminds us, nowadays old information is more accurate and 'true' than contemporary belief.

Yeah, well I changed professions when scientific evidence was as yet unblemished with liberal 'belief' and subjective relativism. You know, like when 'Global Warming' was acknowledged as the interim between the last 'Ice Age' glaciation and the next.

I guess according to modern liberalism the 'pristine' condition of this desolate planet was destroyed by a right-wing 'heavenly' body...ie. God's SUV. The original conspiracy. God did it for his own self-interest... selfish religious zealot that he is.


37 posted on 11/20/2003 1:23:45 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: Mr.Atos
That's a great moon. When looking at Herschel headon, Mimas looks kind of like a giant eyeball to me.
38 posted on 11/20/2003 1:24:22 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Poohbah
ROTFLOL!!!!
39 posted on 11/20/2003 1:24:36 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: John H K
Apologies for the over-simplification... and, I appreciate the correction. I am aware of the on-going movement of land-masses (Prior to Pangaea). The theory that I have heard suggests the crust on the pudding has been moving around ever since that impact. It was a thin theory then, and likely still is (No pun intended). But, the more we learn about 'planet-killers' the more believable it becomes.
40 posted on 11/20/2003 1:29:27 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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41 posted on 11/20/2003 1:46:32 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
Please add me to your list.

Thanks,

42 posted on 11/20/2003 2:00:42 PM PST by Eaker (When the SHTF, I'll go down with a cross in one hand, and a Glock in the other.)
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To: farmfriend
I'm interested. Please add me.

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43 posted on 11/20/2003 2:11:11 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: Poohbah
LOL! I was thinking the same!
44 posted on 11/20/2003 2:18:00 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: LibWhacker
"...looks kind of like a giant eyeball to me."

The Eye in God's Moat.

45 posted on 11/20/2003 2:28:17 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I wouldn't be judgmental, if people weren't so STUPID!)
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To: dirtboy
"...the Siberian traps are large enough to have covered a major impact crater..."

What were the Siberians trying to trap? Why did they need such large traps? Could this have led to the extinction of the Woolly Mammoth? (We know they built their huts out of them.)

< removing tongue from inside cheek before crater forms >

46 posted on 11/20/2003 2:34:54 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I wouldn't be judgmental, if people weren't so STUPID!)
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To: NicknamedBob
The Eye in God's Moat.

I just put that on my Amazon Wish List when I went hunting for the link to Lucifer's Hammer.

Lucifer’s Hammer

Is it similarly as good?

47 posted on 11/20/2003 2:36:02 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: Mr.Atos
"...God ... selfish religious zealot that he is."

When you believe in yourself, miracles can happen!

I wouldn't want to have to fill His shoes, though following in the footsteps is fairly easy going.

48 posted on 11/20/2003 2:41:54 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I wouldn't be judgmental, if people weren't so STUPID!)
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To: LibWhacker
bump
49 posted on 11/20/2003 2:47:42 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: Mr.Atos
"Is it similarly as good?"

It's been a while since I read it. As I recall, it is better from a technical explanation side of things, while not being quite as suspenseful. (The Mote in God's Eye).

On the other, other hand, (as the Moties would say), it's the kind of read that makes you want to start building a starship in your garage.

50 posted on 11/20/2003 2:48:45 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I wouldn't be judgmental, if people weren't so STUPID!)
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