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Study Says Medieval New World Map Is Real [Thank Leif Eriksson]
AP ^ | November 27, 2003 | DIANE SCARPONI

Posted on 11/26/2003 6:19:59 PM PST by nwrep

NEW HAVEN, Conn. - The latest scientific analysis of a disputed map of the medieval New World supports the theory that it was made 50 years before Christopher Columbus set sail.

The study examined the ink used to draw the Vinland Map, which belongs to Yale University. The map is valued at $20 million — if it is real and not a clever, modern-day forgery.

A study last summer said the ink on the parchment map was made in the 20th century.

But chemist Jacqueline Olin, a retired researcher with the Smithsonian Institution (news - web sites) in Washington, said Tuesday her analysis shows the ink was made in medieval times.

"There is no evidence this is a forged titanium dioxide ink," said Olin, whose paper appears in the December issue of the journal Analytical Chemistry.

The authenticity of the map has been debated since the 1960s, when philanthropist Paul Mellon gave it to Yale. The university has not taken a position on its authenticity.

The map depicts the world, including the north Atlantic coast of North America. It includes text in medieval Latin and a legend that describes how "Leif Eiriksson," a Norseman, found the new land called Vinland around the year 1000.

Scholars have dated the map to around 1440. Some scholars have speculated that Columbus could have used the map to find the New World in 1492.

Last summer, Olin and other researchers announced that carbon-14 dating of the parchment showed it was made around 1434 — exactly the right time for the map to be genuine.

However, researchers from University College in London examined the ink on the map and announced last summer that it cannot be more than 500 years old.

Tests in the 1970s by Walter McCrone — who also had disputed the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin — found the ink contained anatase, a form of titanium dioxide that is common in inks made after 1920. Anatase is found in nature, but the crystals of anatase were too regular-shaped to have been natural, McCrone said.

Olin's study looked at various minerals found in the ink, including aluminum, copper and zinc. All these minerals, she said, would have been byproducts of the medieval ink manufacturing process.

Also, she said anatase also could have ended up in the ink because of the manufacturing process, and its crystal size and shape could have changed over time.

Research is continuing into the Latin writing on the map.


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To: All
NEW HAVEN, Conn

Another fav of mine --- where Ann Taylor was discovered :-)

21 posted on 11/26/2003 8:12:23 PM PST by NordP (Peace through Strength - The Bush Presidency - 2004)
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To: NordP
"LEIF ERIKSON DISCOVERED AMERICA!!!! ALAS, IT'S FINALLY PROVEN TRUE!!!"

Someone should notify the Viking Kittens...

"We come from the land of ice and snow..."

22 posted on 11/26/2003 8:17:50 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: NordP
YOU GO LEIF!

Columbus just had better PR.

LEIF ERIKSON DISCOVERED AMERICA!!!! ALAS, IT'S FINALLY PROVEN TRUE!!!

kAcknor Sez:

Aw crap!! Does this mean I'll have to change my business cards to read "Leif, Ohio"????

Political Commentary @ Phillabuster.org, Home of Newslinks! "bISovbejbe'DI' tImer" (When in doubt, surprise them.)

Have you checked the *bang_list today?

23 posted on 11/26/2003 8:18:04 PM PST by kAcknor
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To: farmfriend
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

Please add me...

24 posted on 11/26/2003 8:22:05 PM PST by abner (In search of a witty tag line... found it! http://www.intelmemo.com < go there or be square!)
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To: abner
Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, just let me know.
25 posted on 11/26/2003 8:27:16 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: dasboot
Nothing remained after the great fire of 1843?
This is fascinating.

What modern city/town is this? What state, even? It's not entirely clear.

26 posted on 11/26/2003 8:55:53 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Publius6961
Have a copy of the viking map in one of my old map books. I just love the ink bit because it's not like we have EVERY sample that ever existed.

Have an old Vincent Price movie where he goes and lives with the monks, gets into their inks and papers, inserts a document, makes a second copy for himself, leaves the monks and goes to America with this huge land claim and seeks out a girl to play the role of the Baroness claiming the land.

He eventually gets caught but it was a great scenario.

This stuff is always interesting but I think they do not put enough effort into mapping "techniques", identifying the author.

27 posted on 11/26/2003 11:25:46 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ChemistCat
Crossing the broad ocean would be daunting, but theire's no reason to think they couldn't touch Iceland, then Greenland, then Labrador, and so on via the Great Circle route. Currents may have helped them a bit, too.
28 posted on 11/27/2003 12:21:33 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Publius6961
Right; everything was destroyed. The skeleton was on display in the lobby of a downtown bank. There are some photos of the guy.

The town is Fall River Massachusetts. Curiously, if you read the account of Torvald's journies, there is a description of a battle that took place with indians (c1000?) inside a bay, where a river flowed to the west from east. This is a fair description of the Quequechan River that flows from the Watuppa Pond to Mount Hope Bay in Fall River. My memory is a bit shakey on the story.

The local legend is that this skeleton was the crewman, (or was it Torvold himself who was killed?) who was killed by the indians.

The folks at the historical society poopoo this notion, and assert that it was a local indian.

But there's the descriptions that repeatedly describe the remnant of red hair.

I have some information in my library...maybe a photo...and a couple old histories that mention the skeleton. I'll look around.

I suppose the key is identifying the "armor" to something similar.

I grew up in the area, and the Saga descriptions of Torvold really seem to have been describing this particular area....from Newport RI north to Mount Hope Bay from Narragansett Bay. Sure are a lot of wild grapes! Gorged on them as a kid!

29 posted on 11/27/2003 1:11:52 AM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: Publius6961
I found this looking for more info; it appears the 'armor' is consistent with descriptions of New England Indian adornment described by Gosnold in the 1600's.

There's a nifty site for NEARA that's worth looking at.

ANCIENT PEMAQUID AND THE SKELETON IN ARMOR

(Reprinted from the NEARA Journal Volume XXXII, No. 1 Summer 1998) W. MEAD STAPLER

But the most exciting discovery had been made the very day I arrived.

Indian brave wearing copper and brass sheet and tube as described by Gosnold in 1602 and Pring in 1603 as living near Cape Cod Bay and Buzzard’s Bay.

Just southwest of the foundation wall of the tavern, and at a level below the sill stones, were discovered two burials. The level indicated that they had been interred before the tavern was built. The first was the typical Indian flex burial with the body in the fetal position, with the head to the north and facing east. The remains were so decomposed that the surrounding earth had later to be solidified with a resin and removed as a block. The adjacent burial was in a much better state of preservation. It was at about the same level but lying straight out on its back with the head to the north in a Christian type burial. The head, face up, was resting on a sheet of copper which in turn appeared to be resting on a pillow of decomposed fur. Another copper sheet, which had originally been approximately 12 inches wide by 18 inches long and apparently lined with fur, extended from the shoulder to the groin. Just beneath the chin were five rolled copper tubes, neatly stacked, and strung on a continuous strip of braided leather. Each tube was approximately 10 inches long and 3/8 inch in diameter. This was apparently worn as one long continuous necklace of copper tubes, end to end. A small piece of leather, about 5 by 8 inches, was found on the left side of the body, partially beneath the breast sheet of copper, beneath which in turn were many small disintegrated bones.

30 posted on 11/27/2003 2:29:29 AM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: dasboot
BUMP
31 posted on 11/28/2003 11:20:17 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: nwrep
BTTT
32 posted on 02/06/2004 4:56:50 PM PST by carpio
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To: BradyLS
Your scenario makes sense to me. One landfall to the next instead of straight across would have been much easier.

I'm trying to remember where I read that Columbus knew from old sailors that the earth was round and that he could reach land by sailing west. It also said that most educated people at the time believed it also.

33 posted on 02/06/2004 5:06:46 PM PST by breakem
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To: Publius6961
It was a CIA black op. Covered it up pretty good didn't they.
34 posted on 02/06/2004 5:20:46 PM PST by DeepDish (This space for rent.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
This has been on the list, but I wanted to ping to revive it a little, and to stick in a link to a message in the Turin Shroud Back Side Shows Face topic. The Shroud is a medieval fake, but the post I've linked here is quite interesting. Have a great weekend, all.
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35 posted on 10/08/2004 2:11:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: vikingchick
Why do they always insist that Viking relics are faked in the New World? It's a conspiracy, I tell you. :)

Bah! I just recreated this map using Microsoft Word and the stock Time New Roman font! :)
36 posted on 10/08/2004 2:16:57 PM PDT by Daus
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Nah....not Hudson Bay. Everybody knows they came up Narragansett Bay, Mt Hope Bay, and landed in Fall River....which is why they left and never came back.


37 posted on 10/08/2004 2:20:08 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: nwrep

They got the map from the Chinese who sailed around the world ca 1421


38 posted on 10/08/2004 2:30:42 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Henchman

mark


39 posted on 10/08/2004 2:35:00 PM PDT by bitt (“Kerry believes that if you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul will vote for you.”)
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To: nwrep

In order to verify the authenticity of this map, we need to ask the most trusted man in America, Dan Rather. He can spot a forgery right away, and if this map is a forgery, he'll break the story!!


40 posted on 10/08/2004 2:37:37 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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