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US elite call for Russia’s expulsion from G8 (US congressmen 5th columnists for socialists)
Russian Journal ^ | November 26, 2003

Posted on 11/30/2003 7:24:23 PM PST by RussianConservative

MOSCOW - In a reflection of rising anti-Russia sentiments in U.S. political circles, Sen. John McCain and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, overstepped their bipartisan affiliations in November to send a joint, tough-worded proposal to the U.S. Senate, asking President George W. Bush to use his influence and exclude Russia from the G8, the elite club of world’s most advanced industrialized countries, measured by economic output.

Rep. Tom Lantos and Rep. Chris Kox are also preparing a similar proposal to be tabled before Congress soon, according to the Ekho Moskvy radio station.

Russia finally became a full G8 member at the Kananaskis Summit in Canada on June 27, 2002, after spending almost a decade with an observer status acquired at a similar summit in Denver, in the United States, in 1997.

The attacks on Russia gained a momentum at the Seventh Annual U.S.-Russia Investment Forum in the city of Boston in mid-November, when financier George Soros joined Richard Pearle, a former adviser to U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in calling for expulsion of Russia from the G8 for failing to live up to the elite club’s main membership-eligibility criteria, according to reports in Western media.

Condemning Russia for what he termed the "political persecution" of former Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky — indicted on seven charges in October and since held in Moscow’s notorious Matrosskaya Tishina pretrial facility — Soros told the gathering at the forum that Moscow’s actions against Yukos have raised reasonable questions whether Russia really qualifies for membership in the G8, which is supposed to be a democratic organization, Associated Press reported. “To belong to the G8 is a privilege, which a country earns by being democratic. Not to express concern would be a dereliction of duty,” he said.

Soros — who has invested several billions of dollars in both business projects and philanthropic programs in Russia — said that the arrest of Khodorkovsky has raised doubts as to whether [President Vladimir] Putin is committed to building a democratic society.

The recent proposal submitted to the Senate, the McCain-Lieberman resolution, expresses a negative position on the Kremlin's selective persecution of its opponents, suppression of the free press and activities in Chechnya, according to news reports citing the Senate’s press office.

Working to expel Russia from the G8, the senators argued, according to Kommersant, “would be the U.S. leadership’s reaction to gross violations, because Russia’s membership in the G8 ought to be suspended till it stops suppressing political liberties, the independent press and supremacy of the law and demonstrates its adherence to the democratic principles that unite the G8.”

The United States will not turn a blind eye when attacks on democracy and a free-market economy threaten the freedoms of Russian people and the basis of the U.S.-Russian relationship, McCain said. “I believe it’s time for a strict, sober and, at the same time, impartial and cool-headed review of U.S. policy’s response to the budding authoritarian forces in Moscow and to send signals to Putin that non-democratic behavior will lead to the expulsion of Russia from the Western democracies.”

Lieberman said that Putin’s attacks on democracy violate the spirit of the G8 and contravene the G8-membership obligations Russia promised to fulfill when it joined the organization. “[Under such conditions], we have to use our leverage within the G8 to return Russia to a democratic path of development,” he added.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Russia
KEYWORDS: g8; kox; lantos; lieberman; mccain; russia; socialism; soros; us
So should it be taken, US stand with EU Soviets? US congressmen move against capitalist nation in socialist orgy..how nice.
1 posted on 11/30/2003 7:24:24 PM PST by RussianConservative
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To: RussianConservative
Come on, you guys have to know what a nutcase John McCain is, and Lieberman is running for president. Both would love to have Soros behind them.
2 posted on 11/30/2003 7:30:38 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: RussianConservative
Soros at work. Lieberman and McCain don't represent the administration.
3 posted on 11/30/2003 7:31:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RussianConservative
Take McCain and LIEBIGman seriously?
NO.
Never.
No-one should ever take them seriously.
4 posted on 11/30/2003 7:32:44 PM PST by Darksheare (Even as we speak, my 100,000 killer wombat army marches forth)
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To: RussianConservative
<< US congressmen move against capitalist nation .... >>

"Capitalist nation?"

Now there's an Unknown Ideal!

Someone, perhaps a Russian, should write a book about it.
5 posted on 11/30/2003 7:35:45 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RussianConservative
Yes, this is ridiculous. As ridiculous as Russia stiffing the US over Iraq.
6 posted on 11/30/2003 7:36:54 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: RussianConservative
Well this is interesting
7 posted on 11/30/2003 7:37:08 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Cicero
Soros at work. Lieberman and McCain don't represent the administration.

And McCain hates Bush. He has already demonstrated that he will do whatever possible to derail Bush, regardless of the affect of his actions on the (US) populace. This is why the Dims embrace him. IMO, he is insane.

8 posted on 11/30/2003 7:39:35 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: RussianConservative
just because the russians have a flat tax does not make them a capitalist country, the russians aren't nearly a capitalist nation
9 posted on 11/30/2003 7:41:03 PM PST by chudogg
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To: RussianConservative
the elite club of world’s most advanced industrialized countries, measured by economic output.

Excluding government consumption France has less economic output than many US states. How is it they still qualify? They should be the first to get booted.

10 posted on 11/30/2003 7:41:19 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses
Canada and now Italy smaller then Russia.
11 posted on 11/30/2003 7:42:57 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: McGavin999
True...but why they keep getting reelected...did not McCain pray for Clinton war to exterminate Christian Serbs? Did not McCaine felch Albanian mafia? Why no investigation?
12 posted on 11/30/2003 7:50:50 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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McCain ,Lieberman, Soros, idiots all.

Pretty soon we'll have Dean and Rep. Dennis jump on this one.
13 posted on 11/30/2003 7:51:16 PM PST by BabaOreally
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To: gcruse
Russia on Iraq is deal of $9 billion debt and US support of terrorist regimes of Saudi and Pakistan. A bit different then corrupt oligarch arrested.
14 posted on 11/30/2003 7:51:47 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
My only comment is that if Lantos is for it, I'm agin it!
15 posted on 11/30/2003 7:51:50 PM PST by navyblue
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To: chudogg
Ahh so no sales tax, cut in bureacracy, many small business, anti monopoly laws, half VAT tax, low corporate tax and property rights not make capitalism? So what your definition?
16 posted on 11/30/2003 7:53:03 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative


McCain get by a lot on his war story, grand military family, etc. And local politics rules.
17 posted on 11/30/2003 7:53:50 PM PST by BabaOreally
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To: RussianConservative
Keep Russia dump France!
18 posted on 11/30/2003 7:54:26 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
BUMP!
19 posted on 11/30/2003 8:00:11 PM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: RussianConservative
They get re-elected by their constituency in their states. They keep the pork flowing in and otherwise aid and abet those who can support them in ways that advance their re-election.

This is just the American system.

As said, they are not representative of the Administration.

Soros is backing anybody whom he hopes can defeat Bush (won't happen, IMO).

Perle and Soros? THAT is odd. Hopefully, someone has some insight into that one. I haven't a glimmer on why Perle would back Soros on anything. Unless it was some background business deal where they had converging interests? Perle isn't officially part of the administration, just an advisor.

Russia has delivered on oil and Kyoto. I doubt very much that the administration would back them being kicked out of G8. More likely, just because Russia HAS backed the administration of a variety of economic issues, Soros, McCain and the rest would want to diminish them anyway possible. Soros is sticking his wallet into a lot of geopolitical messes, lately. At some point, he will over reach.

I agree w/the poster who characterized McCain as insane. I suppose he will run for the nomination again in 2008. SIGH.
He belongs to his very own exclusive political party, anyway.
20 posted on 11/30/2003 8:05:09 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: RussianConservative
Booting the Russians out of G8 won't help the prospects for the westernization of Russia.
21 posted on 11/30/2003 8:05:34 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: RussianConservative
McCain is a vile man, and he's from MY state (I'm so embarrassed!) He has a lot of mafia money behind him and he practically OWNS the party bosses here in this state. He hasn't been a real republican for years and I truely believe that he has Soros behind him.

We've tried everything to get him out of office, but more democrats vote for him than republicans. It's a major battle here in Arizona. The illegal aliens aid him a LOT.

22 posted on 11/30/2003 8:13:19 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: RussianConservative
What on earth are these clowns thinking about?
Gotta keep Russia in there.
Russia is getting more and more "capitalist" every day while the US seems to be getting more and more socialist every day. Somebody long ago predicted that "the trains will eventually pass each other going in opposite directions".
Man, was that prediction ever right on.
23 posted on 11/30/2003 8:14:14 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RussianConservative
Condemning Russia for what he termed the "political persecution" of former Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky — indicted on seven charges in October and since held in Moscow’s notorious Matrosskaya Tishina pretrial facility — Soros told the gathering

This sounds like a good idea for Bush. Throw Soros in Graterford for a few months.
Watch him walk out carrying a purse.

24 posted on 11/30/2003 8:17:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RussianConservative
Lieberman said that Putin’s attacks on democracy violate the spirit of the G8 and

Prosecution of corrpt "oligarchs" by the elected government is not an "attack on democracy".

25 posted on 11/30/2003 8:18:34 PM PST by A. Pole (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain , the hand of free market must be invisible)
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To: RussianConservative
Here, you can find an interwiew with John McCain: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/mccain_11-06_a.html
26 posted on 11/30/2003 8:22:11 PM PST by Spartano
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To: reformedliberal
I haven't a glimmer on why Perle would back Soros on anything. Unless it was some background business deal where they had converging interests?

Business interests.
At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, the Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of wrongdoing, he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has been in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, concerning allegations of stock manipulation and fraud.
Khashoggi is still brokering. In January of this year, he arranged a private lunch, in France, to bring together Harb Saleh al-Zuhair, a Saudi industrialist whose family fortune includes extensive holdings in construction, electronics, and engineering companies throughout the Middle East, and Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy Board
Perle is a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Trireme’s main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore.
He has access to classified information and to senior policymakers, and give advice not only on strategic policy but also on such matters as weapons procurement.

27 posted on 11/30/2003 8:24:13 PM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: RussianConservative
US has to worry if Mother Russia, China and Japan change their reserves from US dollars into EURO. The US dollar can suffer a dramatic devaluation. Just few weeks ago, Putin warned that Russia might start to sell her oil in Euros.
28 posted on 11/30/2003 8:27:21 PM PST by Spartano
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To: RussianConservative
Why should Russia be expelled from G8? Isn't it the most capitalist nation in the group?
29 posted on 11/30/2003 8:31:13 PM PST by Sparta ("General" Wesley Strangelove "Let me start World War III, vote for me as president.")
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To: chudogg
Well, a country with a flat-tax system is more capitalist (in theory) than a county with a progressive system, like US.

The second commandment of the Communist Manifesto is to implement a progressive fiscal system, just like in USA. Wait few years and the democrats will start to eliminate private property.

God and the Ten Commandments are being removed from American public places. It seems that America is starting to ban religion. Banning religion is a comunist idea. At least Mother Russia is a Christian nation, officially.
30 posted on 11/30/2003 8:34:58 PM PST by Spartano
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To: RussianConservative
True...but why they keep getting reelected...did not McCain pray for Clinton war to exterminate Christian Serbs? Did not McCaine felch Albanian mafia? Why no investigation?

12 posted on 11/30/2003 10:50 PM EST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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Don't forget that Senator Lieberman announced in 1999 that the scum Kosovo "Liberation" Army (which is tied in with other major Muslim terrorist groups around the world) does, in his words, "represent American ideals".

What did the USA ever do to have jerks like Soros, McCain, and Lieberman in positions of influence?

31 posted on 11/30/2003 8:39:24 PM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Sparta
Hi brother, nice screen name you got. We may be cousins.
32 posted on 11/30/2003 8:39:54 PM PST by Spartano
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To: RussianConservative
Nefarious PR for soros and both Senators. All have axes to grind and for Soros maybe some millions to be made. Start of Bush bash power play.
33 posted on 12/01/2003 12:03:00 AM PST by endthematrix
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To: OldFriend; Sender; ralph rotten; Destro; MarMema; FormerLib; Pubbie; RusIvan; Long Cut; ...
russian ping list
34 posted on 12/01/2003 8:32:32 AM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative; Cicero; xrp
The situation is heating up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3256552.stm
35 posted on 12/02/2003 9:09:59 AM PST by Spartano
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To: Spartano
Thanks for the article!

"SEN. JOHN McCAIN: It's very disturbing as to what's happened. There's not one truly independent media outlet in Russia today. Those that are "independent" are cowed by the government. That's one of the fundamentals as we all know of a free and open society."

I think the the good Senator mis-spoke and said Russia instead of the United States.

Also, what deals have OPEC made with Russia. I'm for snubbing OPEC and getting a deal with Russia. Any ties between OPEC and McCain?

36 posted on 12/03/2003 9:53:45 PM PST by endthematrix
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