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Gays and generals / Top brass torpedo 'don't ask, don't tell'
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 | editorial

Posted on 12/16/2003 9:31:19 AM PST by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: little jeremiah
Beliefs can be wrong, and often are.

Definition of an unbeliever: A Muslim in New York and a Christian in Mecca.

Well and good, we can dismantle most of the judicial and criminal departments right now then.

Let's see, if we eliminate the resources used against consensual crime, we could both dedicate more resources towards fighting real crime and save money at the same time. I like that.

Again, your own mind and desires are the ultimate authority, then.

You're making stuff up and rehashing tired Christian slander calling those who don't believe similarly immoral. This is also a tactic of the gay activists, as others here have mentioned.

A person just has to "feel" or "believe" that everything they do is right, and kick any horrid thoughts of personal responsibility out the door!

If it's lack of personal responsibility with regard to how you treat others then it's not purely a personal issue anymore, thus not falling under privacy or consensual. If it is purely personal, then be my guest and destroy yourself with your favorite poison.

301 posted on 12/19/2003 11:19:45 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
"...don't worry about being outed if you were discreet."

If it is known, they were not sufficiently discreet.

302 posted on 12/19/2003 1:12:33 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I didn't say it was the law, I said it was the moral foundation of our nation and that it would be foolish and destructive to discard it.
303 posted on 12/19/2003 1:15:34 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: FormerLib
If it is known, they were not sufficiently discreet.

It is difficult to hide every aspect of your life from your fellow soldiers -- they watch. Many will be discovered while being even more discreet than your average heterosexual. I once found out the unit thought I was homosexual because I associated with known ones, that's how much people watch. I actually had to end that by showing off my girlfriends, which is something I normally wouldn't do.

304 posted on 12/19/2003 1:34:16 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: FormerLib
moral foundation of our nation

Let's agree to disagree on that. I admit there was influence, but I won't go that far.

305 posted on 12/19/2003 1:35:34 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Again, your own mind and desires are the ultimate authority, then.

>>>You're making stuff up and rehashing tired Christian slander calling those who don't believe similarly immoral. This is also a tactic of the gay activists, as others here have mentioned.<<<

Making stuff up? [BTW most people here would not necessarily call me a Christian...] I was merely commenting that if holy scriptures such as the New Testament, Old Testament, Talmud, Vedas and Puranas, and so on are just old irrelevant scraps of paper (and therefore all philosophy or works discussing morality based on their values are also irrelevant and useless) then the only thing left is your own mind, which constitutes desires and one's feelings about them. Or other peoples' minds.

A person just has to "feel" or "believe" that everything they do is right, and kick any horrid thoughts of personal responsibility out the door!

>>>If it's lack of personal responsibility with regard to how you treat others then it's not purely a personal issue anymore, thus not falling under privacy or consensual. If it is purely personal, then be my guest and destroy yourself with your favorite poison.<<<<

What??? The above comment makes no sense. Every decision anyone makes ultimately has some affect on others, unless such hypothetical individual lives alone on an island and is completely self supporting.

306 posted on 12/19/2003 2:14:07 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
so on are just old irrelevant scraps of paper

Not irrelevant, just not authoritative.

Every decision anyone makes ultimately has some affect on others,

If I stretch logic far enough, I can prove harm done to me by a Thai peasant in the rice paddies. That doesn't mean he's really harming me. Likewise, some homosexual boinking his boyfriend in Boise or a guy down the street with a grow lamp doesn't harm me either.

People for consensual laws do not establish harm first. First they declare something immoral based on some religious text or sociological ideal of the lawmakers rather than actual indication of harm, then they declare it illegal. The sad thing is, the harm usually begins after it's declared illegal due to the criminal underground that always follows.

307 posted on 12/19/2003 2:26:31 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: King Black Robe
It's a good thing nobody in the military ever has sex. They would ruin everything.
308 posted on 12/19/2003 2:31:25 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Then you must think that the huge disease factor of homosexual behavior is non-existant.
309 posted on 12/19/2003 3:14:46 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: xm177e2
Your sarcasm doesn't fit the issue. If it brightened your day, then I'm happy for you.
310 posted on 12/19/2003 4:26:19 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: little jeremiah
Thanks for the reference to this thread. It's the same stuff we've seen before - folks basing their opinion on how they feel about something and not the facts. Soon I'll start my extended break. :-)
311 posted on 12/19/2003 5:15:38 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Have a rewarding time on your break... Will we see you again?

~~sniff~~ :-(

I need to learn just a little more html so I can make links properly. People have given me links - I think you have one or two on your profile page. I should sleep less and study more.
312 posted on 12/19/2003 5:56:55 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I'll send you some html pointers on links. Oh, and I may return. :-)
313 posted on 12/19/2003 6:06:46 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: JCEccles

Just doing a bit of research on this issue. Looks like you were wrong.


314 posted on 08/07/2015 7:33:31 PM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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