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Posted on 12/24/2003 10:32:04 AM PST by Klickitat
Bush to Propose Broad Amnesty Tell Congress to Say No! We regret having to interrupt your holiday season with bad news on the immigration reform front, but the Washington Post reports this morning that President Bush and Karl Rove-in order to appeal to Hispanic voters-are poised to announce a sweeping amnesty plan during the second week of January. If you like amnesty, mass legal immigration, and the continued unprecedented decline in the American economic standard of living, you'll love President Bush's proposal.
While the details of the plan remain unclear, President Bush is expected to propose an outline modeled after legislation currently pending in the House and Senate, H.R.2899 and S.1461. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and Representatives James Kolbe (R-AZ) and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) introduced these bills. This upcoming plan will undoubtedly reflect what President Bush meant when he announced last week at a press conference that he wants to match "any willing worker with any willing employer."
Why Your Help is Needed Now
President Bush and Karl Rove are convinced that this plan will appeal to Hispanic voters without offending his Republican base. In order for Bush to make his immigration proposal a reality, however, he will need to convince the leadership of the House of Representatives to press his plans on their Republican House colleagues who know better.
Here's How You Can Help:
First, send a free faxed message from our web site to President Bush, House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.
Follow up your faxes with phone calls. Call the White House comment line at 202-456-1111 and leave a brief message telling the president no to his amnesty plan. Call the Speaker's office at 202-225-0600 and the Leader's office at 202-225-4000 and leave a brief message. Tell Speaker Hastert and Leader DeLay that Republicans should not abandon their law and order principles by advancing the open borders policies preferred by Democrats.
Your faxes and phone calls will be needed continuously over the course of at least the next three weeks. Please ask your friends, family, and coworkers to follow your lead in making their voices heard as well.
Giving illegal aliens legal status does nothing to improve our national security. In fact it would take years and years to do background checks on the estimated 9-11 million illegal aliens who could be eligible for amnesty. An illegal alien who was amnestied in 1986, after all, later masterminded the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.
Any guestworker program leading to legal status for illegal aliens is an amnesty and threatens homeland security by encouraging more illegal immigration. Every time an elected official talks about the possibility of granting amnesty to illegal aliens, it says to would-be illegal aliens that they had better get into the United States while the getting is good.
This program would reward people who have cheated the system with permanent residence. This country is based on the rule of law-it should not be manipulated by people who have cheated their way to the front of the line.
The current recovery from economic recession is unique in post World War II recoveries in that it comes without any benefit for American workers-just more offshore job outsourcing, low paying jobs, and an accompanying decline in the nation's standard of living. This new guestworker program may match any willing employer with any willing worker, but for American workers this means being displaced by cheap foreign labor and declining wages and working conditions for those fortunate enough to find or keep a job.
If they really able to set up program which does not reward people who had already broken the law in any way, that would be excellent. A well designed "carrot and stick" guest worker program could remove the incentive from illegal immigration and make current illegals want to hightail it for home. A well designed program, with job protection for current citizens, one which made illegal immigration illogical and costly could be really be in everyone´s best interest. However it would have to be a serious program with real penalties for illegalities, not something designed to garner liberal votes. But I´d be completely opposed to any program which rewarded past law breakers, which is what amnesty does IMHO. However the program has to in no way reward the people who broke the law. Otherwise we are just begging for more illegal immigration.
...just a thought.
I can say just the opposite. Other than, of course, I do agree.. Bush has proved he knows exactly what he is doing.. contravening the will of the people.
Hey Kay ......I like the way you think !
...and Yes I am Bush Bashing Too !
It is not going to do any good either. Apparently the Bush administration has decided against the will of American Citizens in this manor. They have been leaking info and floating balloons that indicate they are not going to do a damn thing that even faintly resembles enforcing the law.
If Bush closes the border and forces the illegals to surface that would be one thing to consider. In my estimation, the sun will rise in the west as well. If bush hangs a fresh coat of paint on amnesty, I'm buying ammo after Christmas. $hits commin.
I'll wait until it's official.
This could be another trial balloon, like the last one, that didn't pan out.
Lots of hysteria on this thread.
That 80 million white people will stay home on Nov. 4, unless, of course, you're referring to Democrats who may be too demoralized to vote for Howard Dean.
Yet Bush and his politically tone-deaf handlers are now proposing to open the floodgates. Country-club Republicans and the big corporations they cater to could care less about the crushing burdens their dream of an open border with Mexico would impose on the American people.
Enough is enough. Conservatives have become to the Republican Party what blacks are to the Democratic Party. We are constantly taken for granted, condescended to, and treated like lepers. Conservatives need to send the GOP a Christmas card: either get with the program or go down in defeat.
This is the absolute end of the road for the budget busting policies this Administration keeps coming up with. There is a limit to the type of TAXATION we will be obligated to support. I am calling for the end of the Nanny State Politics and Sugar Daddy Taxation that comes with no REPRESENTATION. It is now put up or shut up from here on out. There is simply no end to the ridiculous and oughtright thivery going on at the National Level of our Government.
It is unrealistic for "WE THE PEOPLE" to continue to get jerked around on all this and then be expected to support TAX SUPPORTED Legislation across the board with little or actually NO REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS. There absolutely has to be a Blue Ribbon Oversight Pannel put in place to stop this evil plan dead in its tracks. The President is apparently getting and giving bad advice and the American people are going to be the worse off for allowing legislation of this kind to proceed. GWB was Govenor of Texas and OUR/MY state requires a balanced budget to operate legaly. It is now very much past time for the Federal Government to be put on a forced Capital Budget and start setting the example this nation needs to become FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE by controlling FEDERAL EXPENDITURES.
The un-controlled federal spending binge we have been on has now become a pronounced severe danger to ur national survival. There is a limit that we have to clamp down with and say this far and no more! Our wastefulness is a National Shame that has got to be ended and we must learn to live within our means and cut out defecit spending before America is totally BANKRUPT physically and with us already morally Bankrupt this spells doom for our Country. These people know exactly what they are doing; they cannot blame ignorance or any such nonsense. Power of this magnatitude in the wrong hands has got to be reigned in and put out of business. This will be the end if "WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT DEMAND A CHANGE"!
IN NEW CONGRESS, July 4, 2004.
The unanimous Declaration of the 50 united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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It has refused Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
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It has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
It has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
It has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
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It has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
It has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing the Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
It has made Judges dependent on it's Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
It has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
It has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
It has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
It has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving it's Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses
For abolishing the free System of Laws in the neighboring Province Washington, District of Columbia, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these States:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
It has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of it's Protection and waging War against us.
It has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
It is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to com pleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
It has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
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In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A government whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
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We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in New General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these States, solemnly publish and declare, That these United States are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Federal Government, and that all political connection between them and the province of Washington, District of Columbia, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
I substituted the following...
It for His,
States for Colonies,
Washington District of Columbia of Great Briton,
Added "New" to congress,
Corrected the date.
Other than that, it is verbatim.
Red highlights are my own.
WORKED ONCE, OUGHT TO WORK AGAIN.
By law, that money belongs to the people. The way I understand the system, Congress "borrows" from the fund and never repays what they spend on various programs.
When Jerry Brown was governor of California, there was a surplus in tax monies. I don't recall what taxes. But, by LAW, the surplus HAD to be returned to taxpayers. The amount was something like $200 each. Brown would have preferred to save the money as a "cushion," he said, but the LAW forbade it.
Just you wait - Bush is going to do some fancy tap dancing to get SS into some gimmicky Goldman Sachs setup - or whatever financial broker. The whole idea all along has been to get complete control of the money. My humble opinion.
Back around 1999, I told FReepers that Bush was an "Establishment Man" - but I agreed to vote for him.
The program sounds very reasonable, and I reject the article's purported motive on the part of President Bush. My Congresscritters will be hearing a 'yes' from me.
That was a really stupid comment. Do you honestly think that it is only "white" people that would be annoyed with blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants? What about all of the legal immigrants (many Asian, non-caucasian) who came here with the hope of becoming American citizens, doing everything the legal way? I can assure you that blanket amnesty would probably annoy them too, it just doesn't seem fair to anyone who is law-abiding.
Oh merciful, in all your wisdom, in interrupting the holiday break with personal regret, and requesting freepers to answer to your reply, I'll convey my comments to Congress when they are in position to receive such comments.... After the 1st of the year.
Oh, by the way they will be directed to President Bush, NOT Carl Rove.
Oh, by the way, Merry CHRISTmas !!
Here is the unadulterated truth of the matter, brought to you by one who actually understands the situation.
Reply #19 by TommyC1 exposes the "core sample" reasons and outcome of FDR's illegal ponzi scheme being wrecked by all the World War II GI's coming home triumphant and making babies.
The strain on government of providing old age assistance and a public pension for those who wouldn't, or couldn't do their own saving, investing and insuring in the "baby boom" battle of the bulge, is referred to in government circles as "The Pig In The Python!"
Imagine, if you will, the quagmire created by FDR, compounded by LBJ in setting up a welfare state for aging hippies with minds already damaged by drugs, entering nursing homes with alzheimers and other dementia that rarely shortens life but makes you a "Ward of the State!
You would all be wise to temper your passion with TommyC1's lucid view of reality and calm down a little before we have another 1992 election disaster!!!
Merry Christmas everyone, but remember... With Demonicrats in control of the treasury, everyday is Christmas for their voters, not you!!!
I can't say if TomInNJ's comment was stupid or not as he didn't really say that it would be "only" white people that would be upset by amnesty and he may have been saying that white would just be a large subset, which would likely be true. Can't say how accurate the 80 million number is either.
Anyway, Valentine_W, I came across this Guest Opinion on MICHNEWS.COM written by the Director of Vietnamese for Fair Immigration which I think illustrates your point very well.
I suppose the writer could have chosen a somewhat less inflammatory title, but he (I assume) makes some good points:
It should also be noted that Hispanics illegal aliens given legal residency and citizenship are now sponsoring their relatives for entry into the U.S., thus crowding Vietnamese out of the legal immigration system. Vietnamese immigration into the U.S. is thus about 30% lower due to past illegal alien amnesties.
Since 2 billion people want to come to the U.S. "for a better life", the only solution to this discrimination is to treat all illegal aliens the same way Vietnamese illegal aliens were treated. The U.S. should also treat children born to illegal aliens the same as the rest of the world.
I appreciate the last paragraph in the article:
In absolutely no way do we want the U.S. to increase immigration numbers as compensation for past discrimination. The current limits on family based immigration were arrived at after much study. These limits are for the best interests of the American people. We don't want to impose any additional burdens on the American people who have gratefully given us a new home in the land of freedom.
Imagine that coming from a La Raza type! It would never happen.
BTW, If you go to the above article and scroll down the right side there are links to some other, IMHO, great articles on immigration. I thought this one was particularly good and plan on printing out copies and sending them to my Senators (for whatever good it will do).
AMERICA'S BODY COUNT OF IMMIGRATION SUICIDE
A good mission statement from the author's website too:
I agree...IF THIS IS TRUE, Dubyuh's lost his way!!
Right must remind him that criminals need not be rewarded!! A general amnesty fer these felons is simply asinine and the right must make sure such an action NEVER becomes law!!
I for one am extremely offended that this Administration cares so little about the rule of law that we would reward these Felons with citizenship!!
There is no immigration policy I can imagine that will gain the President popularity. It he does this, all I can see is that he is giving in to public pressure from a certain foreign leade, to private pressure from a few business leaders who think they can save their company some money by hiring themselves some newly minted second class citizens AKA guest workers, and to the pressure of his own personal convictions. Rove will try to get Hispanic votes out of this, but I doubt it will work, and I doubt that feeble hope is why they are doing this. I'm afraid that our MBA President really does believe in having amnesty and guest workers.
Well, I can at least reassure Mudboy Slim about one thing. They won't use the word "anmesty." Instead, expect to hear that "families" of "undocumented workers" will be able to "earn" permanent residency. Of course, they will be disrespecting our immigration laws every day they do this earning.
Also expect to hear that immigration laws will be tightened against future illegals. Of course, this won't work, because the message to the people of Mexico will be that illegal entry to the US makes sense so long as you are willing to put up with a few tough underpaid years first.
LOL...why do they think we're sooo FRiggin' STOOOOPID?! Is Karl "Marx" Rove that FRiggin' STOOOOPID?!! (Good Question, imho)
"Instead, expect to hear that "families" of "undocumented workers" will be able to "earn" permanent residency. Of course, they will be disrespecting our immigration laws every day they do this earning."
I'm sure we all have relatives who could benefit from American citizenship...so FRiggin' what?!
"Also expect to hear that immigration laws will be tightened against future illegals."
Once again, do I have "STOOOOPID" stamped on my forehaid?!!
"Of course, this won't work, because the message to the people of Mexico will be that illegal entry to the US makes sense so long as you are willing to put up with a few tough underpaid years first."
A lotta folks wanna crack at our economy, that's why we developed "Immigration Laws!!"
"Lawbreakers Deserve JailTime, not Amnesty!!"