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Poll: Do you trust your elected leaders to make the right decision on immigration issues?
PHXnews ^ | 12/24/03 | PHXnews

Posted on 12/24/2003 11:46:17 AM PST by MickeysHangover

Here's a poll I saw that I know most of you would be interested in.

"Do you trust your elected leaders to make the right decision on immigration issues?"

YES

NO

http://www.phxnews.com/

When it comes to immigration, it seems that our leaders are always trying to cater to the hispanic vote.

Now, we discover that Bush and McCain are working on a master immigration plan just in time for the next election.

I'm curious to see where you stand on this issue of trust.

Thx and Merry Christmas.

Can I still say that on this web site? :)


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Do you support the President on this issue?

Is he still our "guy" when he legalizes millions of illegals?

Peace out!

Mickey

1 posted on 12/24/2003 11:46:18 AM PST by MickeysHangover
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To: MickeysHangover
I don't trust our elected leaders to know daylight from dark.

Neither major party 'wants' to stop the illegals. In this as so many other things the Dem's & Repub's are in bed with each other.
2 posted on 12/24/2003 11:51:06 AM PST by vladog
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To: MickeysHangover
The yeses are winning 92% to 8% no.
3 posted on 12/24/2003 11:52:39 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: MickeysHangover
I'll bet the guy that put that poll up was laughing as he posted it. I see that 11% of the people voting were illegal immigrants since they voted "yes".
4 posted on 12/24/2003 11:53:37 AM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: MickeysHangover
When it comes to immigration, it seems that our leaders are always trying to cater to the hispanic vote.

I think it is a much deeper issue than votes.. The elitists are running this country.. not the people..they have managed to take over the leadership in both parties.. If you read the article in the Washington Post you will see, we cannot win.. mirror images nacilbupeR/Democrat..

My opinion .. NO one can be trusted.. why do you think this story ran today? Christmas Eve..

5 posted on 12/24/2003 11:53:59 AM PST by Zipporah
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To: vladog
I don't trust our elected leaders to know daylight from dark.

Neither major party 'wants' to stop the illegals. In this as so many other things the Dem's & Repub's are in bed with each other.>>>>>>>>>


I'll cast another vote..........I agree with you !!
6 posted on 12/24/2003 11:55:21 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Sunshine Sister
The yeses are winning 92% to 8% no.

I think you were looking at the results incorrectly.

Do you trust your elected leaders to make the right decision on immigration issues?

No (96%)

Yes (4%)

7 posted on 12/24/2003 12:02:58 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: MickeysHangover
Do I dare to say "No"?
8 posted on 12/24/2003 12:11:29 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: MickeysHangover
Q. "Do you trust your elected leaders to make the right decision on immigration issues?"

A. I would not trust my elected leaders with a hot stove.
9 posted on 12/24/2003 12:14:19 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: MickeysHangover
The whole thing is about money - and both major parties are up to their eyeballs in it. The politicians take money from interests who stand to benefit enormously from the employment of undocumented workers. Its as simple as that. I doubt that the morons in Congress will pass another total amnesty bill; they don't want to spoil the party. Once these people get any little bit of legality, then they can bitch and moan about not getting benefits enjoyed by other workers. And they can sue. And they can put a lot of pressure on Congress. And employers don't want to see that since under the current "system" they don't have to keep any financial records - no social security, mo Medicare. no income tax withholding, no medical plan, no vacation pay, no nothing. Do I want to see the country overrun with illegals? Hell, no! But short of rounding up every last one of them, and absolutely sealing the border, I would like to see those who hire these people penalized in some way. It is they who exacerbate the problem.
10 posted on 12/24/2003 12:18:10 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: VU4G10
In the United Socialist States of America it is becoming more risky all the time. You may have to attend one of the re-education camps to get your attitude adjusted to the approved criteria.
11 posted on 12/24/2003 12:19:07 PM PST by meenie (Remember the Alamo! Alamo! One more time. Alamo!!!)
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To: meenie
You may have to attend one of the re-education camps to get your attitude adjusted to the approved criteria.

Psssttt...You'e in a re-education camp.

12 posted on 12/24/2003 12:20:28 PM PST by PRND21
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To: MickeysHangover
Let me ask you this...

Would you support a harsh crack-down on illegal immigration and illegal immigrants if you KNEW the Hispanic backlash would hand the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and, consequently, the Supreme Court over to the liberals?

Consider that the liberals would then roll out the red carpet for the Mexicans, so you've not only failed to stem the tide of immigration, but you've successfully maneuvered yourself out of political power.

This immigration situation is a no-win scenario. I personally know small business owners who have gotten filthy rich employing Mexicans and I know manual laborers who have lost work due to teams of illegal aliens that are willing to work for "three hots and a cot". It's nauseating and there's no easy solution.

Until the threat of liberal rule is eradicated, Bush must tread a precarious line between doing what's right for America and satisfying Hispanic activists. Anyone who thinks that this situation is a reason to vote against Bush is simply throwing in the towel, and giving in to the greater evil.
13 posted on 12/24/2003 12:20:31 PM PST by SBell
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To: DumpsterDiver
Cool! I have been known to be backwards at times!
14 posted on 12/24/2003 12:28:27 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: SBell
I live near the border ---- the immigrants coming in from Mexico are not Conservatives, they are not Republicans. They're poor, uneducated, unskilled and will vote for safety net programs ---- ie welfare programs or whoever will promise them those. The immigrant from Mexico isn't voting for Republicans ---- the entire border area is going more and more to the democrats.
16 posted on 12/24/2003 12:31:20 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Zipporah
I think it is a much deeper issue than votes..

It's not votes. The hispanic vote in the USA used to be Republican when it was composed mostly of ex-Cubans and some people who'd been living in the SW USA for many generations ---- many who never were immigrants, descended from Spaniards and native Americans, or who left Mexico at the time of the Revolution. The hispanic vote is quickly becoming more and more democrat as indigent people move into the USA who are totally or mostly reliant on welfare programs and government handouts.

17 posted on 12/24/2003 12:34:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SBell
Would you support a harsh crack-down on illegal immigration and illegal immigrants if you KNEW the Hispanic backlash would hand the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and, consequently, the Supreme Court over to the liberals?

There doesn't have to be a "harsh" crackdown. The border patrol is pathetically understaffed right now. Simply increasing the number of patrollers to the equivalent number of American soldiers currently patrolling Bosnia's borders would sharply reduce the number of illegals who cross over - and probably catch a number of terrorists as well - without having to be harsh about it at all.

In fact, the present understaffed situation increases the risk of violent incidents which would give fodder for the liberals against the administration.

18 posted on 12/24/2003 12:42:21 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: 45Auto
I would like to see those who hire these people penalized in some way. It is they who exacerbate the problem.

It’s interesting you should raise the Employer Issue. [From today’s freebie-issue of the San Leandro Times, typing errors would be mine.]

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SLHS Staff, Students Rally Around Aide

INS orders teacher and her family back to Mexico

Supporters for a San Leandro High School teacher’s aide got their wish during a rally on her behalf last Wednesday. The event was held to spur local officials into requesting a 30-day extension for Blanca Segura, who received notice on Dec. 2 that she, her husband and son had one month to voluntarily return to their native Mexico.

About halfway through the rally, English Language Development (ELD) coordinator Dan Martin announced that a 30-day extension had in fact been granted earlier in the day by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“Today we found out Blanca was given 30 days,” said Martin. “We’re going to work very hard to make sure she has 30 years more.”

News people from channels 2, 4, 14 (Spanish language) and other local media surrounded Segura as she made her entrance to the cafeteria. Some 250 people gathered inside, including dozens of students holding large signs.

Associate principal Amy Furtado welcomed the students, parents, faculty and staff to the after-school rally.

“We are gathered here to show support for one of our family members, Blanca Segura. We’re showing the media how much she is loved by this staff and the school,” said Furtado. “She is the model citizen.”

The rally became an impromptu civics lesson when Herb Castillo from the International Institute of the East Bay took the microphone.

“I know many Blanca Seguras,” said Castillo. “There are eight million of them who were drawn to this country to work. This country wants our labor, it needs our labor, yet it continues to arrest our people who are being given 30 days at best to leave. These eight million who are here illegally have very few options available to them.”

Castillo told the students that California sent a message to Congress when it passed Proposition 187, which limited immigrant access to government services. He said that since Sept. 11, 2001, concerns for security have put immigrant rights on hold.

“All of you have to learn about immigration laws,” he advised. “Vote, and ask your parents to vote. You have to fight for Blanca and for the immigrant community.”

Segura, wearing sunglasses, waved to the crowd. Martin presented her with a check for over $800 to help with legal costs. The money had been raised through contributions by students, staff, and faculty at the school.

“She’s an amazing woman and an amazing co-worker. I don’t think a lot of these ELD kids can survive without her. She puts her heart into her job,” says fellow teacher’s aide Maria Carvalho.

Senior Juana Juarez, a female wrestler who was at the rally with her team members, said Segura had helped her with college admissions paperwork and obtaining financial aid.

“She’s been there for a lot of Latinos who want to go to college. She also helps with English translation in the office or in class,” said Juarez.

Segura and her family have been in the U.S. for 14 years. She and her husband Roberto have a son, Jonathan, who is a straight-A student at San Leandro High. Jonathan was born in Mexico and is also scheduled for deportation. The Seguras also have two daughters who are students at John Muir Middle School. Jessica and Elizabeth were both born here and are therefore U.S. citizens.

The family has been trying unsuccessfully since 1996 to become legal residents. They applied for political asylum that year but were denied because they had arrived illegally. Since then they have been through a series of appeals and denials culminating in the Dec. 2 notice – and Dec. 18 reprieve.

Martin urged the crowd to continue educating themselves about immigration issues, and to not let the momentum of support drop off during the upcoming winter break. He asked students to write their elected officials requesting legislation to grant the Seguras permanent residency. He also requested donations to help defray the family’s inevitable legal expenses.

“Take time out of your life to help other people,” said Martin. “We are going to make a difference. You already have made a difference. That’s why Blanca got the 30 days. Don’t let this drop because we’re all going to be off for two weeks.”

Community donations to the Segura’s legal defense fund are also welcome. Contributions may be sent to the Blanca Segura Family, c/o the School Bank, San Leandro High School, 2200 Bancroft Ave., CA 94577

“Checks should be made out to SLHS, and the school bank will then pass the money on to Blanca Segura,” says Martin.

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I hate to spam up a perfectly good thread, but I thought this article was interesting from several angles. First, we’ve got a school district that’s hiring illegals to work (and this isn’t cash-only, under-the-table stuff either). Second, we have teachers at that school raising a fuss to protect that illegal. Third, they’re soliciting contributions for that person (and it isn’t mentioned in the article, but this is the same HS that has had quite a few problems related to accounting for money).

Oh well, I’m tired.

19 posted on 12/24/2003 12:58:09 PM PST by Who dat?
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To: Who dat?
The real problem is money; and another angle that might partially explain the open flouting of the law by these morons, is that the employers can find a way to stick it to the taxpayers to support a lot of benefits for those who might be "pardoned" under any blanket amnesty bill. In the end, its the already overburdened taxpayer who will once again, "take it in the neck."
20 posted on 12/24/2003 1:03:00 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: FITZ
The immigrant from Mexico isn't voting for Republicans ---- the entire border area is going more and more to the democrats.

Certainly. I'm thinking of the 50 or so Texas "Mexicrats" that fled the state and shut down the Texas House. If you look at a list of those Dems who fled the state it reads like a Mexican phone book...and they shut down the Texas government. It's bizarre.

I assume your solution is to do the right thing and damn the torpedoes. I don't totally disagree. Blacks in this country have been totally brainwashed (last election I had black friends tell me that Republicans were literally going to put them in chains...no joke), they voted 90% Dim and it didn't matter.

It's still too close for comfort. It still blows my mind that Bush won with less than the popular vote. He could sweep '04 or it could be a nail-biter. Pissing off Hispanics is a dangerous prospect.
21 posted on 12/24/2003 1:07:31 PM PST by SBell
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To: FITZ
Maybe the "Republicans" are no longer conservatives. How else can you explain this "Pill Bill" -- the huge increase in Medicare entitlements. Maybe what we are looking at with this pandering to illegals is a huge bidding war between the Democrats and Republicans for Hispanic votes.
22 posted on 12/24/2003 1:19:04 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: SBell
...assume your solution is to do the right thing and damn the torpedoes....

Works for me. He'll lose more votes than he wins with open borders and amnesty.
23 posted on 12/24/2003 1:19:18 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (It's not a blanket amnesty, it's amnistia del serape!)
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To: SBell
Some of the Hispanics that I convinced to vote for Bush in 2000 have already said they are going to vote Dem. the next election. The reason is the Medicare Bill. They don't think it is good enough and the Democrats will give more benefits. They don't think their parents should have to pay the $35/mo. plus $250 for pills.
24 posted on 12/24/2003 1:22:42 PM PST by texastoo ((go California go. Tell it like it is))
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To: MickeysHangover
97% no

3% yes

no one undecided

25 posted on 12/24/2003 1:23:42 PM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: inquest
There doesn't have to be a "harsh" crackdown...

I know what you mean. There's no excuse for neglecting border troops. For that matter, there's no excuse for not putting the military on the border. When I was stationed at Fort Huachuca I got used to the radar balloons overhead...I think they call that aerostat radar. If it were up to me, I would expand that program and set up a string of machine gun nests, but that's just me...
26 posted on 12/24/2003 1:25:20 PM PST by SBell
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To: MickeysHangover
"Do you trust your elected leaders to make the right decision on immigration issues?"

Nope

27 posted on 12/24/2003 1:26:43 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: MickeysHangover
They should have had a "H*LL NO! choice.

The President wasn't my "man" in the election in the first place because of crap like this and his lousy "free trade" and outsourcing American job policies.

So far I have no dog in the hunt.

28 posted on 12/24/2003 1:31:05 PM PST by Walkin Man (McJobs for all...The Great Wall-Mart is hiring!)
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To: SBell
"Pissing off Hispanics is a dangerous prospect."

And pissing off Republicans could be a more dangerous prospect. Currently, I'm considering whether or not I want to leave my vote for president blank next fall. I'm growing very disenchanted with Bush and, to be sure, I'm not casting a vote for any of the 9 dwarves.

Bush may be a better choice than any of the dwarves but, IMO, he's not that much of a better choice. Consider the following:
1) TSA
2) Dept. of Homeland Security
3) Steel Tariffs
4) Education Bill
5) Agriculture Bill
6) McCain-Feingold (CFR)
7) Immigration Reform
8) Medicare Reform (unfunded Prescription Drug benefit)
9) Ballooning National Debt

My question is if we dissociated Bush from this list of crappy legislation and associated Clinton with it, would we be outraged? Why does Bush get a pass?

So far, his biggest accomplishments are his tax cuts and the War on Terror. I'm not sure there is an equal balance between those two items and the previous list.
29 posted on 12/24/2003 3:04:40 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: inquest
"The border patrol is pathetically understaffed right now."

It doesn't even have to be strictly a border patrol issue, the illegals can be stopped by fining the businesses that employ them and making it unprofitible for them, by tracking down the illegals after they enter and deporting them - which would send a strong message, and by making it impossible for illegals to get drivers licenses, educational benefits and welfare programs. But it all has to begin with somebody at the top giving a hoot. Immigration is good, unchekced illegal immigration is self destructive.

30 posted on 12/24/2003 3:10:06 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: MickeysHangover
The Hangover must be from an excess of Old Buzzzard Breath firewater.

Who do you trust to make the right decisions on immigration issues and would those decisions be legal?

31 posted on 12/24/2003 3:14:27 PM PST by verity
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To: Zipporah
When it comes to immigration, it seems that our leaders are always trying to cater to the hispanic any available source for a vote.

Once accomplished then focus on national security issues.

Dubya', as POTUS, at least has put forth a considerable amount of focus, at least, on national security, but the votes are still in the back of his mind.

32 posted on 12/24/2003 3:14:36 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
"Dubya', as POTUS, at least has put forth a considerable amount of focus, at least, on national security"

He has has he? Hmm ..consider open borders...

33 posted on 12/24/2003 3:18:03 PM PST by Zipporah
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To: MickeysHangover

Do you trust your elected leaders to make the right decision on immigration issues?

(96%)
No

(4%)
Yes


34 posted on 12/24/2003 3:22:16 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: DustyMoment
1) TSA

2) Dept. of Homeland Security

9)Ballooning National Debt

You can't find fault in these.

TSA is doing a fine job, show where they have faltered in their duties in safety concerns,

DHS, when is the last time that we were attacked? Did I miss it? I have been informed of unsuccessful attempts, but no attacks.

National debt? That's a gimmee, show stat's of previous Presidents in time of war, that cut taxes, and still brought the market up to reasonable levels.

All in all, IMHO, not bad.

35 posted on 12/24/2003 3:24:21 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Zipporah
He has has he? Hmm ..consider open borders...

Perhaps you are a mite bit overzealous with your personal definition of "open".

36 posted on 12/24/2003 3:26:33 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: MickeysHangover
"The Juan and Jorge Show"

"Jorge, we screwed 'em with CFR, we'll screw 'em with 12 million illegals. The main thing is to just keep right on screwing 'em no matter what. Comprende, amigo?"

37 posted on 12/24/2003 3:27:19 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: FITZ
the entire border area is going more and more to the democrats.>P>I have no idea why they would vote for Democrats.
The Republicans are doing more for them.
38 posted on 12/24/2003 3:29:03 PM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: spodefly
"Jorge, we screwed 'em with CFR, we'll screw 'em with 12 million illegals.

And if THAT doesn't work, we'll screw 'em out of their personal freedoms by "government through totalitarianism". /sarcasm

39 posted on 12/24/2003 3:33:10 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Overzealous..? Let's see..I don't think I'm over reacting at all ...."Government and academic estimates indicate there are nine to eleven million illegal aliens living in the United States.

It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau estimated 8.7 million illegal aliens were here in 2000, and immigration officials estimate that the illegal alien population grows by 500,000 every year."

Estimated Distribution of the Illegal Alien Population

40 posted on 12/24/2003 3:37:25 PM PST by Zipporah
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To: Zipporah
It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau estimated 8.7 million illegal aliens were here in 2000, and immigration officials estimate that the illegal alien population grows by 500,000 every year."

Place the figures where they best fit the agenda, for nobody can put a definitive number on it, I guess it is open for any number that suites the individual placing them.

Like I have previously conveyed, one way to alleviate the problem is to bring the full force of government down on it, spend much more money than we already have, and at the same time we can pay much higher taxes to pay for the crackdown, thus there goes our personal freedoms sucked further down the whirlpool of the drain.

Granted, I AM flagged when political jargon is spewed in reference to ILLEGAL aliens. After all, many of us lifetime citizens have to suffer the long arm of the law from speeding tickets to protecting our property and in some cases, I'm sure, can be very detrimental to a family's livelihood.

IMHO, cracking down on an "illegal" alien should be a primary concern.

Through lawful means, not by taking more freedoms away from us law abiding citizens to justify another political agenda.

41 posted on 12/24/2003 3:58:18 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: TheCrusader
the illegals can be stopped by fining the businesses that employ them and making it unprofitible for them

I've heard that suggested before, and that particular idea doesn't sit well with me. It should not be the job of a private employer to investigate its employees to determine citizenship status. That's government's job, not the private sector's. And immigration laws should only inconvenience immigrants, not citizens.

A better approach, IMO, would be to keep the EEOC off the backs of employers, so that employers don't feel the need to beef up on their "diversity" ratings by hiring illegals.

42 posted on 12/24/2003 5:38:33 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: Sunshine Sister
I think you have that backwards. Yes are 4 % and No are 96%. :-}
43 posted on 12/24/2003 5:41:01 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: MickeysHangover
betrayal is the name of the game. there is also cowardice and stupidity. and also the way in which God lets people go --who do not cling to him.
44 posted on 12/24/2003 6:59:41 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: inquest
"It should not be the job of a private employer to investigate its employees to determine citizenship status."

I see your point. But still, if thirteen guys pour out of a 65 Volkswagon and apply for a job on your ranch in Southern CA, they can't speak English worth a chit, can't look you in the eye when talking to you and look like as if they've been sleeping in the desert for three weeks, you can probably assume they are illegals.

45 posted on 12/24/2003 7:52:35 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
Good point. I suppose it's kind of like laws about receiving stolen merchandise. You're still liable, even though you didn't "know" it was stolen.
46 posted on 12/24/2003 8:01:08 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: DustyMoment
Bush may be a better choice than any of the dwarves but, IMO, he's not that much of a better choice.

Great points! He still beats the dwarves, of course. Break it down in as many clever ways as you like, but it still comes down to one of two choices:

1.) Decent American
2.) Left-wing, terrorist-loving fucktard

I'm gonna opt for the former...
47 posted on 12/24/2003 8:08:15 PM PST by SBell (Election '04: Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: DustyMoment
Currently, I'm considering whether or not I want to leave my vote for president blank next fall.

Mind if a make a very strong request of you? If you don't want to vote for Bush, then could you at least vote for the Constitution Party candidate or for someone else you'd think might be worthy of the office? It'll make a much larger impact than a blank space.

48 posted on 12/24/2003 10:15:09 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: TheCrusader
.....or in a bad union!
49 posted on 12/24/2003 10:17:39 PM PST by breakem
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To: ohiocreek
I'm afraid President Bush has a multicultural future in plan for all of us - welcome to the Brazil of the northern hemisphere as some of my Scandanavian friends say

There is a lot of racial crime there too, shootings, stabbings, muggings, murder, kidnaping.

http://www.hrlawgroup.org/country_programs/brazil/default.asp

"Racism remains pervasive in Brazil though the black community is estimated to constitute between 50 and 60 percent of the country's population. As evidence of the systemic effects of racism in Brazil, the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination has called special attention to the high illiteracy rate among blacks, relegating many of them to employment in low paying jobs such as street sweepers and domestic workers."

I suppose those are jobs "nobody else wants."

If the border is not closed the issues we have now are only the begining.

We will be looking at a future closly resembling Brazil or Rhodesia. The libs, sellouts and trators best listen up. It is a FACT that this will not occure without a fight and by all projections result in a loss on the side of those very same communist agenda libs. Rope time.

TLI

50 posted on 12/24/2003 10:34:31 PM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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