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POLL: Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?
Lou Dobbs ^ | 12/25/03

Posted on 12/25/2003 10:19:48 AM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?


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MERRY CHRISTMAS
1 posted on 12/25/2003 10:19:49 AM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
FReeped and Bumped

Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?

Yes 31% 667 votes

No 69% 1507 votes
Total: 2174 votes

2 posted on 12/25/2003 10:20:54 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; JustPiper
Lou Dobbs illegals poll.

Signing off.

Merry christmas illegal alien/immigration thread posters(And everyone else)

3 posted on 12/25/2003 10:22:29 AM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I wonder how that compares with the internal polling Bush uses in place of principles.
4 posted on 12/25/2003 10:23:08 AM PST by dagnabbit (100,000 new muslim aliens per year. Thanks Dubya.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
NO! They need to follow the SAME rules as other illegal aliens to get the privilege of working here.
5 posted on 12/25/2003 10:24:53 AM PST by nmh
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?

Yes 31% 669 votes

No 69% 1514 votes
Total: 2183 votes
6 posted on 12/25/2003 10:25:12 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Hillary Al-Muscovy (If it waddles like a Russian duck, Quacks like a Russian duck etc))
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
El Freepo
7 posted on 12/25/2003 10:29:11 AM PST by Az Joe
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
NO. Illegal is illegal.

I don't know how much more simply we can state that.

8 posted on 12/25/2003 10:29:21 AM PST by Allegra
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?
Yes
  30%
671 votes
No
  70%
1529 votes
Total: 2200 votes

9 posted on 12/25/2003 10:35:28 AM PST by arasina (No blanket amnesty, no bedspread amnesty, no comforter amnesty, and no CRAZY QUILT amnesty!)
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To: freedumb2003
Freeped. Once they get here they are here for good.

10 posted on 12/25/2003 10:40:27 AM PST by sangoo
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I could only support such a visa if it were available only to persons who applied while not yet (illegally) IN the USA. In other words, it couldn't be given to someone who'd entered illegally and THEN applied (at least, not until they got the heck out, and then applied from their native country for legal permission to re-enter).
11 posted on 12/25/2003 10:43:30 AM PST by pogo101
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
We gotta do something!

It's crazy to think we can just fence them out. Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME. The situation as it now stands is ridiculous and immoral from every aspect.

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.
12 posted on 12/25/2003 10:43:44 AM PST by mercy
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I support prison for illegal mexicans. The only reason they come here is for the money. A couple years of free labor on a chain gang will act as a sufficient economic deterrent. Followed by deportation to the far southern provinces of mexico.
13 posted on 12/25/2003 10:43:58 AM PST by glockmeister40
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I voted ... NO!

No's leading now with 70% 1556 votes to 682 (30%)

14 posted on 12/25/2003 10:50:39 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: arasina
there's that 70% of us again. In general 70% of Americans are against illegal immigration...even at CNN , the dims are so misinformed for even this poll shows a 2-1 against
15 posted on 12/25/2003 10:54:28 AM PST by JustPiper (Following the course of least resistance makes for crooked rivers and crooked men)
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To: JustPiper
Everybody is against them but everybody enjoys their labor.

I wonder what this looks like from God's perspective? OK ... so from an extra-terrestrial neutral perspective?

I just don't think people are rational on this issue.
16 posted on 12/25/2003 10:58:10 AM PST by mercy
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?
Yes
  30%
688 votes
No
  70%
1572 votes
Total: 2260 votes

17 posted on 12/25/2003 11:03:06 AM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: madfly; HiJinx; janetgreen; FITZ; gubamyster; SandRat; WRhine; joesnuffy; B4Ranch; moehoward; ...
Ping and Merry Christmas !
18 posted on 12/25/2003 11:05:29 AM PST by Missouri
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To: All
A good friend and his wife are from Wales and moved here 18 months ago. In the process of getting permanent residency and then citizenship, he has done everything by the book, and you would not believe what they have been through.

These are people with valuable skills - he is a graphic artist and computer technician; she is an RN. I have been doing a slow burn for months now, while the Democratic Multicultural Peoples Republic of Maryland has done everything to avoid recognizing her RN certificate from the UK.

With the country in dire need of RN's, she is being ignored. I checked into it, and lo and behold, the head of the office in Maryland responsible for this is a hard-core leftist, appointed by ex-governor Glendening, arguably the worst governor in the history of the state.

Meanwhile, women from the third world who went through UK nursing schools after her, then transferred here, have had no trouble.

So don't get me started on the subject of amnesty for illegals.

19 posted on 12/25/2003 11:06:41 AM PST by Heatseeker
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To: mercy
"Everybody is against them but everybody enjoys their labor."
Gross generalizations there. Many of us do not enjoy their illegal labor and wish that we would inforce sane immigration policy as well as inacting sane economic policy.

Being against illegal immigration and attempts to reward/normalize it does not equate with being against immigration or any particular ethnic or cultural group.

We need people to come here and be a part of America...and be willing to work, assimilate into the American culture, understand and defend freedom, etc., etc. But it has to happen legally and in a fashion that compliments those very things.

We do not accomplish that with violating the law and then calling it good.

20 posted on 12/25/2003 11:06:48 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I wonder if Dobbs could do a geographical breakdown?
21 posted on 12/25/2003 11:09:23 AM PST by vto
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To: Jeff Head
We need people to come here and be a part of America...and be willing to work, assimilate into the American culture, understand and defend freedom, etc., etc.

Yes, but we can also use the services of a controlled number of people to work here for a specific time period and return to their country of origin when that work ends.

The only guest-worker program that I'd support would have to include, at a minimum: application made from outside the U.S., a fixed time period (less than a year), and a required return to the worker's home country. Anything less is just an amnesty by another name.

22 posted on 12/25/2003 11:23:24 AM PST by Bob
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
No! Any one who has broken our law should be sent home and banned for life.

THEN any who wish to apply LEGALLY may be given a visa.

This probably makes me some kind of racist radical.
23 posted on 12/25/2003 11:32:35 AM PST by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else...")
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To: Jeff Head
I didn't say just let them flood in here. But doing nothing is tatamount to condoning the worst sort of victimization of these ... Human Beings.

Military on the border and all that is pie in the sky BS. Not feasible. Not going to happen.

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor. Every day and most every way.

Our birth-rate is not high enough to provide adequate labor even IF American kids by and large wanted to work. We are quite spoiled as a society and we just don't like getting our hands dirty any more. I know I know .... not all of us. But a majority. We're paper pushers and desk jokies these days.

Somebody has to do the grunt work. Create a system. Let them in. Tax them.
24 posted on 12/25/2003 11:38:19 AM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
er .... joCkies ..... although jokies is not all that far off
25 posted on 12/25/2003 11:39:57 AM PST by mercy
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Would you support a temporary work visa for illegal aliens?

Yes 31% 706 votes

No 69% 1606 votes
Total: 2312 votes

26 posted on 12/25/2003 11:42:53 AM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: glockmeister40
The only sane statement on this thread. The only criticism being: they should be whipped as they are herded to the border.
27 posted on 12/25/2003 11:45:47 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: mercy
Sorry, but your statement is, in my opinion liberal propaganda - your statement posted below. Legal Immigrants have to meet certain criteria, such as swearing off welfare for five years. Kissing ass of the illegals discriminates against legal aliens who can do the work - why not increase their quotas IF we need the labor? The number of illegals has increased in this country even in the face of the unemployment that is just now beginning to reverse itself in a previously poor economy... and the influx of 30 million immigrants, illegal or not has fueled wht you see as demand for labor - someone has to support them and they increase their own demand. Perhaps throw the illegals out, close the doors for awhile, assimialate those legals that are here and see what the truth is.
Your statement: Our birth-rate is not high enough to provide adequate labor even IF American kids by and large wanted to work. We are quite spoiled as a society and we just don't like getting our hands dirty any more. I know I know .... not all of us. But a majority. We're paper pushers and desk jokies these days.
28 posted on 12/25/2003 11:48:22 AM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
No, no, NO!!! I truly think that the INS just sucks. They have no interest in keeping our boarders safe. Instead, the spend our tax $$ giving grief to folks who followed the rules and used legal means to come to our country.
29 posted on 12/25/2003 11:52:10 AM PST by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: mercy
Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.

legalizing them is not the answer. It is a reward and an incentive to lawbreakers. If they insist on a reward for their hard labor - well, that's what wages are for. If they feel undercompensated or discriminated against, they can go back to Mexico and try their luck there.

A guest worker program would only create a demand for new illegals, since the guest workers would command a higher wage and greater protections and benefits. What it boils down to is that a "true" illegal would be more marketable than a worker who signs up for and who is under the restrictions of the guest worker program.

30 posted on 12/25/2003 11:56:49 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I support temporary jail for illegal aliens prior to swift and sure deportation to country of origin.
31 posted on 12/25/2003 12:00:21 PM PST by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark.....he worries me as much as Hillary!)
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To: mercy
But doing nothing is tatamount to condoning the worst sort of victimization of these ... Human Beings.

are you serious? Their treatment here in the US is worse than the treatment they receive in Mexico? They are victims because we provide them opportunities to work so that they and their families don't starve to death? Educating their children for free and footing the bill for their medical care, food stamps, adult education, ad nauseum, is abuse? I don't agree with you, and neither do the illegal aliens. When facing deportation, they scratch and claw to stay in this country as though their life depended on it. This is the worst sort of victimization??? You're nuts.

32 posted on 12/25/2003 12:05:08 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: Allegra
I don't know how much more simply we can state that.

In the mind of a liberal, simplicity leads to black and white common sense thinking.

We couldn't have that now could we?

Without a "gray area" how can one who lacks common sense, debate such issues and have an iota of a chance to win the debate?

33 posted on 12/25/2003 12:06:32 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: mercy
... We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.

Your statement is completely full of crap. We could function very well without them. Take a GOOD LONG LOOK at your income tax and property tax. How much money do we spend subsidizing them? How many illegal aliens are in prison? How much drug trafficking do they do? I look at the police reports daily in my local newspaper - every day the arrest reports list mexican names. I live over 1200 miles from the mexican border.

We can find US citizens who will garden, cook and housekeep. OUR citizens are part of our country. Illegal aliens are not. They have no intention of ever being part of us. Right after 9/11, hundreds of thousands of them high-tailed it back across the border.

I don't hate them. They are putting an enormous strain on our social system. I can cook, garden and housekeep for myself. I'll afford more expensive vegtables and fruit. Our social support system is for citizens only.

34 posted on 12/25/2003 12:07:33 PM PST by glockmeister40
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To: glockmeister40
They have no intention of ever being part of us.

Excellent point, for if they had the intention, wouldn't they be "legal aliens" in the first place?

35 posted on 12/25/2003 12:10:41 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: mercy
Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed.

Sorry, but I've always hated lawbreakers, both the home-grown kind and the foreign kind. And yes we can function without "them". To believe that we can't is to be completely ignorant.

36 posted on 12/25/2003 12:11:53 PM PST by usadave
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To: TalBlack
This probably makes me some kind of racist radical.

That's ok. Most of the pro-illegal immigration Latino activists are racist radicals.

37 posted on 12/25/2003 12:15:22 PM PST by usadave
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To: mercy
I didn't say just let them flood in here. But doing nothing is tatamount to condoning the worst sort of victimization??? of these ... Human Beings.

How can one be victimized because of one's own actions?

38 posted on 12/25/2003 12:15:40 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: mercy
Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME.

Drilling without nonsensical restrictions and new non-petroleum technologies will eventually do away with our need for ME oil. If we start a guest worker program in Mexico or any other third world country we will be able to replace all we send back, and more with people who apply lawfully. If an employer has illegals he wants to keep, let him send them back to go through the process, like everyone else.

39 posted on 12/25/2003 12:16:57 PM PST by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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This ain't no hate site. No hate mongering goin on round here. Nooooooo.
40 posted on 12/25/2003 12:21:51 PM PST by mercy
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
We cannot repeat cannot under any circumstances allow entry into the United States EXCEPT for legal permanent residence where by they establish a permanent Address and acquire our system of identification(FINGERPRINTS) and be logged on to the tax rolls so they can enjoy not only the freedom of America but join the rest of us TAX Paying Citizens in fighting ILLEGAL Border Jumping BANDITS! This stupid asinine Question is just another point of illogical liberal drivel drooling idiocy to confuse the pea size braindead pin headed minions who follow the hook in the nose mentality of socialism being willing to to be TAXED TO THE POINT of no return. WE need first to know who they are, what they are, how they got here, who their sponsor was if any, and how long they have been here illegally? Take your temporary work visa and insert it sideways where the MOON DOES NOT SHINE!
41 posted on 12/25/2003 12:22:27 PM PST by winker
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Hard question --- if the Mexican government provided them health insurance or paid all the health care costs --- and education costs of the children of their citizens working here in this country? And out of all that vast oil wealth paid the housing costs instead of insisting that be done by US taxpayers?

Or if their own employers really valued their labor that much that they were paid a wage and insurance benefits so that they would be no burden on taxpayers at all? Of course if they paid them well enough so they needed no government assistance, Americans would likely do those jobs and illegals wouldn't be hired.

Or in exchange -- a compromise that would ban ALL immigrants --- any kind of foreigner from getting government --- taxpayer provided handouts of any kind? I could see letting in ONLY self-reliant workers if all the welfare moochers would be sent out. That would be over 40% of the legal immigrants from Mexico that we'd have to kiss goodbye if we did that.
42 posted on 12/25/2003 12:23:04 PM PST by FITZ
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To: mercy
We cannot function without them. ..... Look at your gardener.

Are you calling my wife an illegal alien?

43 posted on 12/25/2003 12:27:28 PM PST by Polybius
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To: mercy
This ain't no hate site. No hate mongering goin on round here. Nooooooo.

Oh, good afternoon Mr. Dees. Nice of you to drop in. Don't you have Christmas turkeys to distribute, or do you just pretend to care about the poor?

44 posted on 12/25/2003 12:31:33 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: mercy
This ain't no hate site.

Well, you haven't been 100% wrong in your postings anyway...

45 posted on 12/25/2003 12:31:40 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: mercy
But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor.

If you hire an illegal to rake your leaves ---- that benefits me in no way whatsoever --- and it doesn't even benefit you when the wind blows your neighbors leaves into your yard and your yard is in need of raking again. If you hire someone to babysit your kids illegally --- that benefits me in no way whatsover.

But it's doubtful that those employers of those illegals are interested in paying for their illegals hospital bill or housing costs or the tuition it takes to educate their kids. All illegal labor is, is taxpayer subsidized labor that benefits only a handful --- their immediate employers ---- certainly not the rest of us.

46 posted on 12/25/2003 12:32:17 PM PST by FITZ
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To: mercy

Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME.

America was able to function before we were invaded with illegals and we can do it again. There are plenty of folks in this country who are willing to do menial labor.

You say we need more illegals, I say we need more Hutterites:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/987460/posts

 

47 posted on 12/25/2003 12:32:57 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: mercy
But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor. Every day and most every way.

More liberal crap. We benefit from their subsidized labor? Hardly.

Americans are the toughest, most determined people on the planet. There are many of us who will fill their jobs when this pestilence is finally over. Wages will rise and working conditions will get better because our citizens won't tolerate being exploited.

I got a real hard time justifying illegal aliens when so many of OUR people are still getting pink slips in this job-less economic recovery.

I'm really sorry things are so shitty down in mexico. Maybe if illegals did't have six kids each they wouldn't worry so much about starvation. Irresponsible behavior to the max. Mexico's problems are not our problems. Mexico is a totally corrupt, third-world oligarachy. Mexicans are the only people who are going to fix their problems.

48 posted on 12/25/2003 12:33:05 PM PST by glockmeister40
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To: mercy
We gotta do something!

Why? What does doing something suddenly take on such great importance? There are legal work visas already in place --- there is plenty --- far more than needed, legal immigration that these people chose to ignore. They chose the illegal route --- it's working out quite well for them when they've got over a billion dollars a month they can send back to Mexico --- plus many already receive plenty of taxpayer assistance and programs right now --- without being legal.

In reality once they're handed legality, they can no longer work those below minimum wage jobs they supposedly came to do ---- which is only true of some --- what then? Their employers would need to import more illegals to do the hard work at low wages that Americans and legals don't want or need to do. They aren't going to die if they are left illegal --- plus when they cause trouble, they're easier to deport that way.

49 posted on 12/25/2003 12:37:12 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Dan Evans
America was able to function before we were invaded with illegals and we can do it again. There are plenty of folks in this country who are willing to do menial labor.

even if we did need the labor, we could drop anchor at any friendly third world port in the world and fill up cargo ship after cargo ship with people who

1 -- would be willing to work for a fraction of what Mexicans are paid

2 -- would be thankful for the opportunity, respectful of our laws and traditions, and would be willing to do whatever was necessary to integrate into our society

what is patently false is that we depend on and must have Mexicans laborers. Yet that is what the two presidentes (Bush and Fox) believe.

50 posted on 12/25/2003 12:39:15 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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