Immigration Reform Considered After Ridge Hints at Amnesty

Fox ^ | 12-26-04 | Peter Brownfeld

[JustPiper]

Freeper's we need a number for Ridge and the White House...we need to FLOOD these switchboards come Monday!!!

[JustPiper]

Action Needed Ping!!!

[DoughtyOne]

Why is it that the only immigration reform our leaders seem to be able to forumulate, involves a complete capitulation regarding the sanctity of our borders?

"A nation without border controls, is NOT A NATION!"

[Zipporah]

.."The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals"..

Oh we have to come to "grips" with the presence?? I can think of a few ways.. < being sarcastic of course > HOW about reorganizing the INS and ENFORCING THE LAW???

[arasina]

She said she does not support "a free ride for anybody, but at the same time we can't pretend that these folks aren't contributing. In many cases, they are doing jobs that others don't want to. Without them, we as a nation would have a difficult time functioning," she said.

I am so darned SICK of hearing this baloney about illegal immigrants doing jobs that others don't want to. How do they KNOW no one else wants to do them when the jobs are filled by illegals? And I've also heard and read people claim that the illegal immigrants are taxpayers. Huh? Sales tax, maybe, but they can't pay income tax without a Social Security number and they can't have a Social Security number if they are not here legally.

[JustPiper]

Bump! Zipp, I think your tagline says it all and I would back up this plan! Tom Tancredo write in campaign!

[Missouri]

PING.

[arasina]

INS is now called U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services for some reason --- probably to be politically correct.(UCIS.gov)

[My Dog Likes Me]

As much as I like him, I pin this one directly on GWB. Someone please tell him that he ain't guvnah of Texas anymore and he no longer has to pander to the Texican voting block.

It is shameful for GWB to make the extraordinarily inarticulate Governor Ridge his frontman for this disaster.

Immigration is now a national security issue instead of an economic or "diversity" issue.

[Zipporah]

"doing jobs that others don't want to. How do they KNOW no one else wants to do them when the jobs are filled by illegals? "

You are exactly right.. and what's interesting is that this SAME exact argument is being touted by the EU re immigration.

[joesnuffy]

The USA aborted about 40+ million of its citizens the last thirty years..many of those would be in the height of their tax paying lives...
So now we have to import dregs to replace them....who are more of a burden on our resources than our own citizens would have been...
There are a lot of votes at stake now and ten years from now.....
Mexicans are about to be able to dictate policy regarding themselves..its like being able to vote yourself a raise and more benefits...

[thoughtomator]

It's only that no one wants else to do those jobs at slave-labor wages.

[Missouri]

Ridge and the White House

I heard on the radio (I don't know how true it is) that Ridge has said something to the fact that this semi-amnesty is going thru no matter what the citizens think. I'm wondering if anyone could confirm this. If true, its quite a slap in the face to the citizens.

[endthematrix]

One word here: POLITICS! To appease the pubbies, reform requires temp visa status. for the Rats, amnesty. Who loses? AZ, CA, NM, TX, BICE officers, Ranchers, Healthcare and other state services that you pay for. Who wins? A million illegals in the US and the another million who will cross every year, Fox, AFL-CIO Unions and the Rat party candidates it funds. Bush who can tell Mexican voters he's the man.
Ridge is failing!

[Zipporah]

..I don't disagree that one of the problems is cheap labor..but when the same arguments are given elsewhere.. it's suspect.

[thoughtomator]

It's suspect when that "elsewhere" is Europe, yeah.

[Zipporah]

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge ..what a joke. I heard Tancredo on Fox News Live this a.m. he stated exactly what needs to be done needless to say, he made David Asman a bit nervous. It was strange Asman didn't want to address what Tancredo was stating.

[Zipporah]

And what do you mean by that?? The EU is pushing for immigration big time.. some of those nations are very nationalistic. They are pushing 'diversity' and there, just as here, the people can't do a darned thing about it.

[JustPiper]

I like Bush also, alot! But this is his policy and thus how can we vote for him?

[JustPiper]

Ridge has said something to the fact that this semi-amnesty is going thru no matter what the citizens think. I'm wondering if anyone could confirm this. If true, its quite a slap in the face to the citizens

If this 'is' true, I am appalled and we need to send it to the DNC! They will get this coverage and Bush and Ridge will then have no choice, we must play their game and call them out before its too, too late!

[Missouri]

It was strange Asman didn't want to address what Tancredo was stating.

Its up to Tancredo to stop this nonsense. I hope he can find some reliable allies in the House.

[JustPiper]

Ridge is failing!

Is Bush being Ridge's puppet or are they a tagteam?

[TLI]

I mowed a LOT of lawns when I was a kid. It was a job we all wanted.

[JustPiper]

Are we still having Primaries? I say we speak our minds at the ballot ans seriously write-in Tom Tancredo, every one of us!!! I'll even get my lib relatives to do it!

[thoughtomator]

The socialists both here and in Europe are banking on immigration. They need those people to pay the bills for the welfare programs they want. Since they worship abortion, they won't face up to the fact that we wouldn't need a massive influx immigrants if we didn't kill off millions of our own children.

[Missouri]

Bush and Ridge

From what I've seen of Bush, once he's made his mind up, he won't change it, come hell or high water.

If this is what he wants, to only chance to stop it is in the House. Contacting our Reps. my be the best option.

[GeekDejure]

"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way."

Why does a statement like that from Tom Ridge make me want to

SCREAM !?!?!?

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[Missouri]

Are we still having Primaries?

I've seen on Fox News that two republicans are running against Bush in the primaries and one of them is from right here in St. Louis County and he's unhappy about the federal debt that has been run up under Bush's watch. Here in Mo. we're suppose to have a primary. I'll have to find out more about these two people.

I know that Bush will win the primary but it doesn't hurt to offer some resistance.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

We have to be ready to hit this with everything we've got! The first week of January let's start blitzing the Whitehouse, House and Senate, RNC, and the media! Lots of facts on fair.org and numbersusa. Be prepared to wage war repeatedly in the month of January!

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Monday, January 12, the first day of Bush's visit with Mexican President Fox in Mexico City.

I will have no problem supporting Americanpatrol.com and its call for a one day "Don't shop at all. Don't buy anything. Don't go to the movies, etc."

It's a start.

[WackyKat]

Ridge is failing! Is Bush being Ridge's puppet or are they a tagteam?

This is a Rove strategy to pander for Hispanic votes.

Bush approved the plan and Ridge is floating the trial ballon

If Bush pushes this, it will be a huge mistake on the level of Bush 41 raising taxes after pledging not to.

A lot of people will just stay home rather than vote for him , costing him more votes than the Hispanic votes he hopes to gain.

[Zipporah]

Yep.. and with 50 years of propoganda both regarding abortion and 'diversity' getting people to understand the severity of this, will be a hard row to hoe as they say.

[endthematrix]

"This is a kick in the teeth to the thousands of individuals across the world who are legally attempting to enter the United States," added Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus. "Instead, the U.S. is saying, 'Why wait? Sneak on in! Whether you enter illegally or not, you will be a resident or citizen in no time.' The first lesson these new residents will learn about the U.S. is it is OK to break the law."

[Zipporah]

My daughter-in-law is an immigrant (legal) and the amount of money and paperwork they have had to endure is astounding.. They should get a refund. And I should add, my views have changed drastically regarding ANY immigration.. it is beyond ridiculous.

[endthematrix]

Other way around!! Ridge is sniffing GWB. He makes policy! SAY NO TO AMNESTY! The Rats love this or at least the Unions do! Think of the dues instantly generated from 10 million janitors and food service workers! The vast millions goes to Democrat candidates.

[endthematrix]

A friend is sponsoring someone from India to come over. Yea, were talking $1000 in applications and more for travel to and from NY! Also the friend has to go heck of a lot of red tape: background, taxes, employment verification, sponsorship requirements, etc. That's to get him here not citizenship. INS is a joke, but we don't say "well we just have to get a grip" and blanket amnesty illegals. Total overhaul is key but everyone wants to put a band-aid on it.

[Zipporah]

"$1000 in applications and more for travel to and from NY! Also the friend has to go heck of a lot of red tape: background, taxes, employment verification, sponsorship requirements, etc."

Multiply that by about 10 by the time it's done.. which brings up a question, if the feds get so much $$ for legal immigrants wouldn't it make sense for them to discourage illegals?

[TheDon]

"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it," Ridge said in a Dec. 9 forum in Miami.

Ridge is exactly 100% right.

[TheDon]

Of course we've already been kicking legal immigrants in the teeth for decades by not enforcing existing immigration laws. If we don't enforce our own laws, exactly why should we expect anyone to follow them?

[At _War_With_Liberals]

Ridge has also admitted # of illegals could be 20,000,000..worst case scenario.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

When Bush picked a politician to head HS, that was a bad sign.

[FoxInSocks]

Mexico is looking for the United States to ease restrictions on the entry of unskilled workers . . .

Ease restrictions? I didn't realize we had any in place. They're obviously not being enforced, if there are.

[Coleus]

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[endthematrix]

The Feds get enuf $$$ from YOU! The amnesty is a HUGE VOTER block, PR for Fox and a band-aid to INS backup. They can basically start over from scratch, less the 10 million annexed in.

[endthematrix]

Right about what? Is it 8 million or 9, 10, 11 or 12 million? That's a huge disparity, and it's only an estimate!

[MissouriForBush]

You are exactly right. The Democrats want illegals who will vote for their handouts and drag the rest of us down the drain with them.

Until we get serious about illegal immigration, our country will continue to decline. The focus needs to be on educated, LEGAL immigrants who have had criminal/medical background checks and who can supply the kinds of scientific, engineering and technological skills to CONTRIBUTE and help make our economy competitive in the 21st Century. The quality of our children's and grandchildren's future depends on the US taxpayers' willingness to quit funding and supporting illegal immigration.

[FITZ]

Mexico is looking for the United States to ease restrictions on the entry of unskilled workers and on visas for family members of legal immigrants.

Then lets just end that big joke called NAFTA and bring all the maquilas and factory jobs we sent to Mexico which was an agreement we made so they'd have jobs in Mexico. That government intends to send us every last one of it's unskilled ---- so we're going to need those NAFTA jobs all back for them to have something to do.

[My Dog Likes Me]

Bill O'Reilly and Rush need to jump on this issue. GWB doesn't care what we think about this because he already has our vote. I mean, if we let Dean become President we'll have bike paths crossing the Rio Grand. That's worse.

I'm sure that O'Reilly will be on it, but Rush is a little "all about me" lately, so he's useless here.

[Hoverbug]

How do you like the U.S. as seen through Swartzenegger's and GW's eyes?

Hb

[FITZ]

Ridge has also admitted # of illegals could be 20,000,000..worst case scenario.

20,000,000 is how many illegals they think are here now --- but that wouldn't be the worst case scenario --- in the late 80's amnesty there were 300,000 illegals here --- but the amnesty was given to over 3,000,000 --- more than ten times the number that were living here. It would be far more than 20,000,000 because just like in that last amnesty, people will be coming over to claim their amnesty --- many people who never stepped foot in this country before.