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What this country needs is catchall term for those in military uniform: Any ideas?
STLtoday.com ^ | 12-27-03 | Harry Levins

Posted on 12/27/2003 10:03:37 AM PST by FairWitness

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:35:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Each year, Time magazine picks the "Person of the Year" (formerly known, in less sensitive times, as the "Man of the Year"). This year, that person is "the American soldier," and the magazine's cover shows three of them, all from the Army's 1st Armored Division.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airforce; airman; anamericansoldier; army; manoftheyear; marine; marines; military; navy; sailor; soldier; timemag
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To: deroberst
I like "GI" too. One great thing about it is that it can only refer to US military personnel. Lots of other countries have soldiers, Marines, etc., but GIs are always Americans and it translates easily into every language in the world. ("US has 130,000 GIs is Iraq"). I was in the Air Force and I and all my fellow members considered ourselves GIs, along with all the members of the other services.

mega-dittoes - that's what we called each other, and that's what we have been lovingly called for a long time. It has time and tradition on it's side

51 posted on 12/27/2003 11:22:39 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: AngrySpud
post 22 G.I. ALWAY G.I. SOME ONE IS 60 YEARS TO LATE
G.I.--AND PLEASE DO NOT ASK WHAT G.I. STANDS FOR!!!!!
52 posted on 12/27/2003 11:23:03 AM PST by ralph rotten
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To: Sir Charles
The real world does not need to change on someones' whim.

Real world as in...???

"Each expectant mother was issued his own ID bracelet."
53 posted on 12/27/2003 11:23:08 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Rider on the Rain
G.I. Nothing else comes close. Been there, done that, and damn proud of it.

Me too - 29 years - Hoo-ah!

54 posted on 12/27/2003 11:24:16 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: FairWitness
Another vote for Warriors.
55 posted on 12/27/2003 11:25:31 AM PST by Hugin
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To: ralph rotten
PLEASE DO NOT ASK WHAT G.I. STANDS FOR!!!!!>

"GI" stands for "government issue."

56 posted on 12/27/2003 11:25:32 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Revolting cat!
Defendants?

That sounds like what Ramsey Clark would like to call them.

57 posted on 12/27/2003 11:27:48 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: deroberst
I like "GI" too. One great thing about it is that it can only refer to US military personnel.

This USAF retiree agrees with you, and for the reason you stated.

58 posted on 12/27/2003 11:28:44 AM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: surely_you_jest; AngrySpud; Rider on the Rain; LiteKeeper; ralph rotten; All
I like "GI" too. One great thing about it is that it can only refer to US military personnel.
This USAF retiree agrees with you, and for the reason you stated.

"G.I." seems to be gaining ground as the favorite here. "surely_you_jest" indicates it is acceptable to a "USAF retiree". Do other the other services, in addition to the army, agree it is a good term for all?

59 posted on 12/27/2003 11:35:26 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
Their can only be ONE WORD for a United States Marine ...

MARINE


60 posted on 12/27/2003 11:38:21 AM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Prodigal Son
I'd go with warrior myself.

I agree. Some of them think of themselves as 'students'..they need to be aware of what their job really is.

61 posted on 12/27/2003 11:43:39 AM PST by Krodg
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To: FairWitness
Singular: Serviceman

Plural: Servicemen

Somehow, "Service Person" or "Servicemanorwoman" seems as jaded as it actually is.

We need to deal with political correctness, not try and change everything and sanitize the rest in order to fit within it's nasty, socialistic mold.

To those who object, I say "deal with it!".

62 posted on 12/27/2003 11:47:00 AM PST by Gritty (Political Correctness bad for our health)
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To: FairWitness
Heartbreakers and life-takers
63 posted on 12/27/2003 11:49:17 AM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: John Beresford Tipton
They are sometimes called "servicemen and women"

I use those and "service member" as well.
64 posted on 12/27/2003 11:51:08 AM PST by VOA
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To: FairWitness
Infantry = Grunt
65 posted on 12/27/2003 11:54:54 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: FairWitness
I believe liberals would prefer the term "aggressors"
66 posted on 12/27/2003 11:56:27 AM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: FairWitness
AMP - American Military Personnel
67 posted on 12/27/2003 11:57:01 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: FairWitness
They always called us 'Troop' when I was in basic. I still call all of the military no matter what branch, troops. Its non-gender specific, (For all the pc'ers out there and it rolls off the tongue.)
68 posted on 12/27/2003 12:02:44 PM PST by vladog
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To: Rider on the Rain
G.I. Right. Only took 49 posts before somebody remembered.
69 posted on 12/27/2003 12:35:36 PM PST by MoralSense
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To: Rider on the Rain
BUMP!
70 posted on 12/27/2003 12:57:12 PM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: BlueNgold
I'm partial to "Trained killers in the service of the Constitution" myself. :D
71 posted on 12/27/2003 1:04:16 PM PST by Terabitten (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It)
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To: deroberst; AngrySpud
I like "GI" too. One great thing about it is that it can only refer to US military personnel.

Ditto.

72 posted on 12/27/2003 1:12:32 PM PST by AF_Blue (It's the color of the sky when you look up to watch the jets fly over.)
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To: FairWitness
Just don't call me a leg.


73 posted on 12/27/2003 1:14:27 PM PST by rdb3 (The only problem I have with conservatism is conservatives.)
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To: rdb3
Just don't call me a leg.

Whoosh!! (sound of a comment going right over my head)

74 posted on 12/27/2003 1:25:08 PM PST by FairWitness
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To: MoralSense
Ive been GI since 1980 !
75 posted on 12/27/2003 1:56:08 PM PST by Delta 21 ("GI" since 1980)
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To: Tragically Single
I like yours too.....
76 posted on 12/27/2003 1:58:09 PM PST by Delta 21 (Trained killer in the service of the Constitution)
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To: gcruse
***Real world as in...???***

You could call it "the way things ought to be" if you're into moral principles, or simply one in which common sense is no longer banished from the thoughts of the herd.
77 posted on 12/27/2003 2:16:41 PM PST by Sir Charles
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To: FairWitness
Ummm...how 'bout calling them what they've always been called in the collective sense: the Armed Forces?! I know using tried-and-true phrases is a novel idea in our disposable culture, but sometimes simple and "old fashioned" just works best.
78 posted on 12/27/2003 2:28:29 PM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: A Navy Vet
Also, the way the picture was taken, showing the ID of the 1st, (who were among the last to get there), takes credit away from some who have fought and died. The picture was NOT supposed to have shown the ID of the soldier.
79 posted on 12/27/2003 2:38:47 PM PST by mathluv
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To: Lazamataz; basil
The problem is, Armed Forces is an entity as a whole. Troops has traditionally referred to individual but multiple soldiers/sailors/airmen, and Troop -- at first a strange term, but you get used to it -- has traditionally referred to a single soldier/sailor/airman.

While I truly mean no disrespect to you, Laz, you couldn't be more wrong. In the noun form, a troop is collective term defined by Mirriam-Websters Dictionary as follows:

1 a : a group of soldiers b : a cavalry unit corresponding to an infantry company c plural : ARMED FORCES, SOLDIERS
2 : a collection of people or things : CREW 2
3 : a flock of mammals or birds
4 : the basic organizational unit of Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts under an adult leader

A trooper is the singular form, as in:

1 a (1) : an enlisted cavalryman (2) : the horse of a cavalryman b : PARATROOPER c : SOLDIER
2 a : a mounted police officer b : a state police officer

Just because so many in our dufus media use the term "troop" when they refer to an individual soldier, doesn't make the usage correct. Just means they are the products of our pathetic education system.

80 posted on 12/27/2003 2:38:55 PM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: PatrickHenry
But that doesn't give us a singular noun. Maybe there isn't one.

See my Post #80 in response to Laz.

81 posted on 12/27/2003 2:41:09 PM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: Wolfstar
They called me a troop in basic and in the NYG.

So that's where I got the idea. Besides, you don't know what it's like, I'm the one out there everyday putting his ass on the line, and I'm not out of order! You're out of order! The whole freakin' system is out of order! You want the truth? You want the truth?! You can't handle the truth! when you are in a hot, flea-infested foxhole with morters whistling overhead and bullets cracking overhead, and when you put your hand into a bunch of goo, that a moment before was your best friends face, WHO BOTHERS WITH DICTIONARIES! You'll know what to do! Forget it Wolfstar, it's CHINATOWN!

82 posted on 12/27/2003 2:46:24 PM PST by Lazamataz (I slam, you slam, we all slam, for Islam!)
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To: vladog; PatrickHenry; Lazamataz
Having noted that a couple of FReepers said the term "troop" for an individual was used while they were in the military, perhaps I shouldn't be blaming the media for originating this usage, but borrowing it. Nevertheless, "troop" is the collective form and "trooper" is the singular form. On the other hand, the language is always evolving as some words fall out of usage, new ones are added, and new meanings are attached to existing words. Example: the original meaning of "gay" vs. how the word is used today.
83 posted on 12/27/2003 2:49:51 PM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: Sir Charles

You could call it "the way things ought to be" if you're into moral principles, or simply one in which common sense is no longer banished from the thoughts of the herd.


"Because we've always done it that way," is reactionary.
"Change for the sake of change," is the ideology of a cancer cell.
Letting one half the population know that we value them through the language we have in common, should be a no brainer.
84 posted on 12/27/2003 2:50:55 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Lazamataz
LOL! Take a deep breath and see my Post #83. Besides, I'm ex-Navy. What do I know from foxholes. We swabbies normally do our shootin' from miles away. (Or aren't sailors called swabbies anymore?)
85 posted on 12/27/2003 2:52:34 PM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: FairWitness
Military.

Usage: I'm military. He's military. She's military. They're military. It's a military weapon. Our military did this or that. Call on the military. That's fit for the military. Etc.

Even though I was a soldier and pilot, I was military all that time.
86 posted on 12/27/2003 2:57:18 PM PST by Bobsat
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To: FairWitness
I like warrior, that's what they are. They are noble warriors who protect us by placing themselves in harms way between the ugly world threats and the country they love.
87 posted on 12/27/2003 3:03:03 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: FairWitness
American Warrior

"I am an American Warrior"


sounds pretty bad@ss to me!
88 posted on 12/27/2003 3:10:39 PM PST by alexandria
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To: FairWitness
How about: US Fighting Force or US Heroes!
89 posted on 12/27/2003 3:17:37 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: FairWitness
They're called servicemembers.
90 posted on 12/27/2003 3:21:00 PM PST by rabidralph (Merry Christmas to all.)
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To: Lazamataz
... when you put your hand into a bunch of goo, that a moment before was your best friends face ...

"I carry twenty-three great wounds, all got in battle. Seventy-five men have I killed with my own hands in battle. I scatter, I burn my enemies' tents. I take away their flocks and herds. The Turks pay me a golden treasure. Yet, I am poor, because I am a river to my people!"
-- Anthony Quinn's Audar Abu Tayi in Lawrence of Arabia

91 posted on 12/27/2003 4:08:59 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: gcruse
***"Because we've always done it that way," is reactionary."***

It's only common sense if a better way is not clearly a better way.

***"Change for the sake of change," is the ideology of a cancer cell.***

If a cancer cell had the capacity to hold to an ideology, that may apply. I wouldn't compare a cancer cell to a thinking organism. Besides, I consider the change we're discussing here, a change for the sake of change, and know many women who feel the same.


***Letting one half the population know that we value them through the language we have in common, should be a no brainer.***

We have been doing that for years, until someone suddenly decided that the word "mankind" somehow excludes women, and the only proper term has to evolve to "peoplekind", etc., totally throwing out of kilter meaningful expressions that served us very well since the beginning of history.
92 posted on 12/27/2003 5:18:35 PM PST by Sir Charles
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To: FairWitness
The winner is: WarFighter
93 posted on 12/27/2003 5:22:10 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Sir Charles
meaningful expressions that served [patriarchal society] very well since the beginning of history.

There.  That fixes it.
94 posted on 12/27/2003 5:31:41 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: ralph rotten
--AND PLEASE DO NOT ASK WHAT G.I. STANDS FOR!!!!!

Gastro-Intestinal? < /joke>

95 posted on 12/27/2003 5:31:59 PM PST by null and void (Hey islamofascists! America is your Azrael...)
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To: FairWitness; Az Joe
Speaking as a Sub Sailor, I favor "tip of the spear"
96 posted on 12/27/2003 5:34:04 PM PST by BSunday (Freeper cliches sold here - we have a sale on "this is series" and "deeply saddened")
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To: BSunday
Which boats you on?

USS Grenadier (SS-525) and USS George Bancroft (SSBN-643) here. 1971-75, Torpedoman.
97 posted on 12/27/2003 5:37:56 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: FairWitness
Our former department LCPO always addressed his emails to the department in some creative fashion. Here are a few examples:

"Fellow Warriors of The Deep;"
"Dear Terrorist Killers;"
"Fellow Dictator Deposers;"
"Bringers of the Enemies Destruction;"

These are just examples of the type that I remember. The actual salutations were much better than that.

98 posted on 12/27/2003 5:44:50 PM PST by BSunday (Freeper cliches sold here - we have a sale on "this is series" and "deeply saddened")
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To: Az Joe
USS Daniel Webster SSBN 626 (Blue), USS Baltimore SSN 704, USS Hunley AS-31, USS Atlanta SSN-712, USS Newport News SSN-750. Currently on shore. ET1/SS (radioman type, 1 each)
99 posted on 12/27/2003 5:47:40 PM PST by BSunday (Freeper cliches sold here - we have a sale on "this is series" and "deeply saddened")
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To: BSunday
Were you out of Charleston or Rota or somewheres else?
100 posted on 12/27/2003 5:53:47 PM PST by Az Joe
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